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gameboyab


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PostPosted: Wed 05 Jun 2013, 18:14    Post_subject:  Free Software Puppy
Sub_title: By FSF standards
 

Does a completely free software (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) Puppy GNU/Linux exist?
If not, I would be interested in making one. First, the Linux kernel initially in Puppy would have to be replaced with one of these (http://jxself.org/linux-libre/) kernels, which have the (proprietary) binary drivers (or 'blobs') removed. I am not aware of any other non-free software in Puppy, except for the versions of Puppy which use Opera as the browser, or have Adobe Flash pre-installed.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2013, 02:42    Post_subject:  

Without some of the proprietary drivers, the ability to even connect to the internet would be lost as most of the modem and wifi drivers have proprietary software as part of them.
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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2013, 03:27    Post_subject:  

I might ask BK to take out all that evil proprietary stuff.

Enough I say.

I don't care if it makes it work.

Oh! the evil that men do.

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gameboyab


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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2013, 10:53    Post_subject:  

8-bit wrote:
Without some of the proprietary drivers, the ability to even connect to the internet would be lost as most of the modem and wifi drivers have proprietary software as part of them.


It depends on what hardware is used. There is a hardware compatibility with free software database. http://h-node.org
Usually, Atheros wireless cards work without proprietary drivers.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2013, 12:21    Post_subject:  

You being this much at it. What solution have you found then to
this problem+ "Adobe Flash pre-installed"

If you install it after then what purpose was it to not have it from scratch?

You mean it will be safer to share it due to then nobody can accuse one
to use what others own the rights to? A kind of fairness or or security
of distribution. To make it less vulnerable to get legally stopped from
being shared freely?

But are there any way to get local TV station streaming to work
if one don't have Adobe Flash?

Yes I know that some TV station even use Silverlight which is very unfortunate indeed.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2013, 18:40    Post_subject:  

Not all Puppies have Flash pre-installed, and I wouldn't install Flash afterwards, as it is non-free, user subjugating software. Sad
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Here is an excellent speech about Free Software, by Bradley Kuhn, though it is two hours and four minutes long.
http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/bradley_kuhn-swfreedom_and_gnu_generation-apr04.ogg

Gnash may be used as a free software Flash substitute, though not everything works on it.
If you don't care about Free Software, use a vanilla Puppy, not my (so far nonexistent) puplet. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2013, 12:19    Post_subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
I might ask BK to take out all that evil proprietary stuff.

Enough I say.

I don't care if it makes it work.

Oh! the evil that men do.


Is this tongue-in-cheek?
My system works well with only free drivers, running Trisquel.
http://trisquel.info

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2013, 04:52    Post_subject:  

" Is this tongue-in-cheek? "

Never.
I allow no humour on this forum.

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bark_bark_bark

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2013, 18:37    Post_subject:  

If puppy only had free software, it would be a disaster playing my music (as they are in .mp3 and I want it that way). I also couldn't connect to the interent without a 100ft+ long ethernet cord.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 00:09    Post_subject:  

When it comes to audio-video codecs and hardware drivers free software has major problems (that's why for every "free" OS there is a repo operated by "someone else" that host the compatible non-free binaries... Wink )

However, I do not see anything wrong with building a free puppy.
There are pleanty of computers out there that do not even have wireless. html5 is replacing flash in many cases (gnash can also handle very old flash files) and ogg is a pretty popular codec.

So I would say go for it (besides you do not need anyone's approval, is free remember?).

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 00:22    Post_subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
When it comes to audio-video codecs and hardware drivers free software has major problems (that's why for every "free" OS there is a repo operated by "someone else" that host the compatible non-free binaries... Wink )

However, I do not see anything wrong with building a free puppy.
There are pleanty of computers out there that do not even have wireless. html5 is replacing flash in many cases (gnash can also handle very old flash files) and ogg is a pretty popular codec.

So I would say go for it (besides you do not need anyone's approval, is free remember?).


Hi, gameboyab.

I second mavrothal. Give it at least a try. Who knows? Your "Free Puppy" could be the next major comet in the Linux sky! Smile

Best wishes of success!

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 00:28    Post_subject:  

Like Mathroval I say build it and see what happens.

Some work arounds for flash that I use

http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org/

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/

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2.2 Installation

First of all install the Greasemonkey extension for your browser and activate it. For Epiphany it is part of the Epiphany-extensions package. For GNU IceCat, Abrowser and other versions of Firefox see the Greasemonkey web page.

Probably these extensions are available in your GNU/Linux distribution as a package.

Second, install the video plugin that you prefer.

If you have downloaded version of the userscript compressed with gzip or bzip2, decompress it to get a copy of the file ready for installation.


You can use mplayer, gnome-mplayer, vlc, or whatever to play the videos as well as providing the excellent GTK Youtube Viewer that is provided in the Puppy forum to your build.



You can incorporate these items into your default build if you so wish.
I use moc and xmms usually for music players. Up to you though on how you wanna approach this.

User scripts at grease monkey has a

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/87011

Plus many more at

http://userscripts.org/

Up to you though to determine what is malicious script and what is not.

Good Luck and Happy Trails, Rok
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 02:50    Post_subject:  

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 14:03    Post_subject:  

simargl wrote:

Looks like some free GNU/Linux distributions include support for mp3's, but it depends from what county are that distibution's developers.
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/why-dont-free-systems-support-mp3


I always viewed free software as "diet" software. Laughing Many people do have this opinion and are happier with OTB distributions like Puppy. But software patents are a strong reason to think of going libre, and a LibrePuppy in the derivatives section won't hurt anyone. Wink

simargl wrote:

... actually html5 doesn't work quite often, so only choice is something like minitube for free software OS. I prefer to watch youtube flash videos in firefox though.


I agree. I use SeaMonkey the most, though - I just don't like its mail client and download manager (I use pwsget for large downloads).

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2013, 14:21    Post_subject:  

The only thing I have to say about ogg, is that it sucks compared to more common formats.
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