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LxPup-by-SFS (LXDE) - Slacko, Precise, Upup-Raring & Wheezy
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01micko


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Apr 2013, 18:51    Post subject:  

peebee, firstly, your sfs works. Thanks for that, tested with PHATSlacko.

Now, for a bit of constructive criticism and a suggested remedy.

I think you know my feelings toward NTFS and mixing it with Linux in general.

Having the 777 permissions could be bad for a number of reasons I won't go into. You are absolutely right pointing the finger at NTFS. It should be called "OTFS". Wink . It has never respected Linux permissions.

You'll be happy to know there is a simple work around. It's like creating a "dummy" save file except any install of Linux can access it.

Here is a rough "howto" to create one.

1. Mount your NTFS partition (defragged already of course) and change directory into it. I wouldn't use a windows system partition but you can if you want, at own risk.

2. Now you can make a file to house our Linux filesystem.
Code:
dd if=/dev/zero of=linux.ext4 bs=1024 count=524288
This produces a file of 512M named linux.ext4 on your NTFS partition. Multiples of 131072
(128M) are probably good, seeing as though we are building largish sfs files and you do need a bit of clearance.

3. Make the filesystem.
Code:
mkfs.ext4 -q -m 0 -F linux.ext4
That makes an ext4 filesystem but you could make ext2, 3, whatever you want.

4. Mount it.
Code:
 mkdir -p /mnt/linuxfs
mount linux.ext4 /mnt/linuxfs -o loop
.. or just click it in rox. (Correction: You would need the name to end in "4fs" to click in rox, you can do that if you wish)

You can do whatever you like in there.. compile, package, you name it. As a warning, don't be tempted to resize it, bad idea when the NTFS filesystem becomes fragmented. No guarantee that a defrag would help either.

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simes

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 05:25    Post subject: LxPup SFS  

Just wanted to add my thanks to Peter. I have loaded the SFS in Slacko 5.5. This was an existing system which already had a few packages installed, so a save file existed to begin with. No matter, everything installed without problems and so far has been rock solid. I am familiar with Puppy and like the way the existing Puppy menu structure and icons have been integrated into LXDE. There's nothing wrong with ROX/JWM and they have a reassuring feel which comes from years of familiarity, but I have become aware when using Puppy alongside other people who have (e.g) Windows 7/Vista or for that matter Ubuntu/Mint, that the look of the desktop is dated and for this reason LXDE is a real 'nice to have'. I am very confident defending my use of Puppy on a production machine, even in an office environment (and my machine is modern enough to run Windows 7 when I want to) but I prefer not to have to defend an old-fashioned desktop appearance when the real reasons to use Puppy are nothing to do with that!
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 14:33    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
peebee, firstly, your sfs works. Thanks for that, tested with PHATSlacko.

Now, for a bit of constructive criticism and a suggested remedy.


Hi Mick

Many thanks for both the feedback and advice.

I have bitten the bullet and reformatted my hard disk to ext4 and deleted all traces of Windows at the same time.

What should I do now to reset the file permissions changed by NTFS? Is there even any simple way to do such a thing??

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PostPosted: Sat 04 May 2013, 20:23    Post subject:
Subject description: hmm..
 

Works decently in slacko 5.5-4g (at least with openbox to sit on). The lovely lxpanel menu plugin (with comments as popups for dotdesktop items!) may need a bit of tweaking for my needs (specifically to have my 'usual' top-tier category icons in other wms besides openbox). Also modify a few subcats although the shell, texteditor and multimedia(2) work nicely for me. Nothing "missing" from the lxpanel menu, as far as mine goes - it's very good about updating itself Wink

A few things reverted from my non-pristine (maybe 1/2 dozen dotdesktops and my modified .xinitrc that makes rox pinboard on-demand only). Likely openbox tweaks as well to get back a functional r-click openbox rootmenu and etc. Gonna have to fix the font size in pcmanfm (using 'new standard' 96dpi rather than the old standard 78 ), but otherwise that fm seems a bit quicker and more stable than previous incarnation.

Good Work, peebee (and Jejy69 for the initial base) Smile
"simple way to do such a thing??" - dunno, my simple is to simply drudge through stuff Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 12:30    Post subject:  

Installed on Upup Precise (IIRC it's 3831 -- the iso claims to be 382 tho). Very nice... but with one small issue.

I gotta have the drive icons, and I don't see a way to enable them (or any other icons, for that matter...). Going through Pmount every time I plug in a flash drive is going to get very old very quickly Wink

Also: I assume I can load the lxpup SFS at bootup through BootManager with no ill effects?

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 13:21    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Installed on Upup Precise (IIRC it's 3831 -- the iso claims to be 382 tho). Very nice... but with one small issue.

I gotta have the drive icons, and I don't see a way to enable them (or any other icons, for that matter...). Going through Pmount every time I plug in a flash drive is going to get very old very quickly Wink

Also: I assume I can load the lxpup SFS at bootup through BootManager with no ill effects?


Hi Starhawk

Drive icons appear in the left hand pane of the pcmanfm file manager so pmount is not needed....it is a slightly different way of working to jwm/rox but one that you get used to pretty quickly.

You could try adding desktop-drive-icons-0.0.5 if you really want them.

Loading the sfs with bootmanager works the same as sfs-on-the-fly - I'm not clear whether you mean loading the sfs but not the pet so that you can stay with jwm/rox with no ill-effects or something else? I don't think loading just the sfs should cause any problems - but I've not tested it exhaustively as I can't see why you would want to do it.

Rox is still available through the menu if you feel the need to use it - for instance to create links which pcmanfm can't do for some reason.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 14:59    Post subject:  

The dotPET is installed (and therefore isn't going anywhere).

I meant BootMgr vs SFS-Load-On-The-Fly. I didn't know how similar they were, and the instructions explicitly state to use SFS-Load-On-The-Fly so I wasn't sure if BootMgr would muck things up or not.

Thanks for the dotPET for the drive icons, I'll report back here shortly to say whether or not it works.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 15:11    Post subject:  

It works! I kinda wish it were dynamic (i.e. refreshes automatically, removing icons when a drive is removed) but it'll do the way it is.

Thanks!

...now I just need a nice icon theme...

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 17:46    Post subject:  

Got the icons set up.

One minor annoyance (which is genuinely nothing more than a minor annoyance!) -- how do I change the color of a window's title bar? It wants to be a light blue (like powder blue color) and I want it to be orange or black... the icons in the systray have the same problem.

Also -- PCManFM looks to use Windblows terminology -- so your symlink would be called a "shortcut" there Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 18:12    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Got the icons set up.

One minor annoyance (which is genuinely nothing more than a minor annoyance!) -- how do I change the color of a window's title bar? It wants to be a light blue (like powder blue color) and I want it to be orange or black... the icons in the systray have the same problem.

Also -- PCManFM looks to use Windblows terminology -- so your symlink would be called a "shortcut" there Wink


Desktop settings - Customize Look & Feel - Window Borders - Onyx citrus or Orang......

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 19:56    Post subject:  

Don't see it. Here are the tabs I do see in the Customize Look & Feel window --

Widget
Color
Icon Theme
Mouse Cursor
Font
Other

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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 02:26    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Don't see it.


Hmmmmm - it's there in the Slacko based version - must be a difference somehow between Slacko and Upup Precise - afraid I can't explain why - I will try to boot up a Upup Precise version and have a look.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 13:19    Post subject:  

Thanks! I appreciate all you're doing to help.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 13:36    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 13:42    Post subject:  

That's helpful! Where do I find that package?
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