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anticapitalista

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:35    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:

I tested Antix and it did not allow me to mount the HD.

So I feel very concerned about the way Debian and it's varieties
treat the majority of computer users. They force us to do full install.
That is not nice behavior. Both Knoppix and Puppy and Slax show
that one can do frugal installs on NTFS. Not ideal but it works.


and so does antiX.

Did you use grub4dos to boot antiX frugal on NTFS hard drive like you did with Descent OS?

If you use grub, it will give the error you got, but even with a bit of tinkering, you can run antiX frugally on your ntfs partition. I'm doing it now for testing purposes.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 15:34    Post subject:  

I don't remember now how I tested it.
I trust that I told how I did it. Should I find the post? Smile

Most likely I used Isobooter and that one
work with LMDE wich also is Debian based.
crunchBang that also is Debian based and
none of these needs tinkering and Descent
needed no tinkering either.

So if I want to test a frugal install on Antix
what code for grub4dos do you suggest me to use?
I am on Sda1 and NTFS yes.

Edit I used the search in my signature
but fail to find it. Maybe it is in Isobooter
thread.

Anti not criticism at all. I just describe what happens
when a total idiot like me just try things out and some
distros just works and otehrs need so much tinkering
that not even the developer of it share what one are to do
on this forum?

If it was that easy then why not just tell it right away
for all the others that also want to have it working that way?

It worked for me way back in time I where active on your forum
and got very happy that it worked on a netbook and now I am on
64 bit Desktop and it totally fails.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 16:20    Post subject:  

I did a fresh download of Antix this iso
antiX-13-beta3_x64-full.iso (668MB

So any link to or a quote of how one set it up frugal on NTFS
would be nice. I have it on my old netbooks but have no access
to them now.

One big problem most likely is that all Debians?
have live directory. Can I have code like this

title antiX-13-beta3_x64-full.iso (668MB
root (hd0,0)
kernel /antix/live/vmlinuz boot=live

so I separate it from the already installed

title descent
root (hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz2 boot=live live persistent username=descentos hostname=descentos union=aufs locale=en_US.UTF-8 keyb=sv noprompt quiet
initrd /live/initrd2.img

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 17:35    Post subject:  

nooby,

I just played around in Virtualbox and installed Puppy 5.5 Slacko frugal to sda1 (ext3) with grub4dos as boot loader. I then created an ntfs partition sda3 and on it a folder called antiX with the files found in /antiX folder ie linuxfs, initrd.gz and vmlinuz.
I then edited grub4dos menu.lst on sda1 to this for antiX

title antiX on sda3 ntfs
uuid (for sda1)
kernel /antiX/vmlinuz bdir=antiX bdev=sda3
initrd /antiX/initrd.gz

This doesn't have persistence set up, yet. But it is to show you how antiX does run on ntfs partitions.

If you already have grub4dos it is as simple as the above.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 18:23    Post subject:  

Thanks much appreciated.

Success but that is surprising because
when I tested on the USB then it failed?
I test that again tomorrow maybe.

Lucky it works for frugal install on NTFS hd sda1
and it allow me to edit a file and save it too

I changed your code to
title antiX on sda1 ntfs
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /antiX/vmlinuz bdir=antiX bdev=sda1
initrd /antiX/initrd.gz

And that booted all my attempt using uuid failed.

Now I need to find how to get to the sda1
any suggestion? I need to go to bed within some ten minutes

Ah one use the tool Files that is on Desktop
and change to /live/boot-dev/ and that show the Hd sda1
with all my music files so I test that now report result
keep your breath Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 18:54    Post subject:  

blkid on its own will show ll the partitions.

root=uuid="xxxxxx" wasn't needed on the grub4dos menu provided by slacko 5.5.

It only needed

uuid "xxxxxx"
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2013, 19:03    Post subject:  

This is how you recommended the menu.lst to look
some 6 months ago from your forum.

what does this antiX=LMXD refer to seems not needed now?

title antiX-base-frugal-sda1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /antiX-base/vmlinuz quiet noxorg vga=791 bdev=sda1 bdir=antiX-base antiX=LMXD nomodeset persist
initrd /antiX-base/initrd.gz

http://antix.freeforums.org/frugal-install-t3676.html

The problem with AntiX changing the hard ware clock
did that got solved in this updated version?

Edit reading through my posts on your forum from December 2012
I realize me not intelligent enough to use Antix so I let it be for a while.

I will now test the isobooter to boot antiX again to see why I wrote
that text you reacted to. I report result within 30 minutes

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PostPosted: Wed 01 May 2013, 04:17    Post subject:  

AntiX is different from other Debian derivatives like
Linux Mint Debian Edition and CrunchBang if one
make use of rcrsn51 Isobooter then both
Linux Mint Debian Edition and CrunchBang
works out of the box with access to the HD
while AntiX says when it boot that Automount is disabled
and when one use the files program on Desktop
and go to /live/boot-dev then it show nothing there
and if one go to /media/mnt/sda1 then it says that is not permitted.

So AntiX needs one have more knowledge than the other two
known version.

descent OS also worked out of the box? I wrote this
about the Descent OS

despite this being a absolutely frugal install on NTFS
it actually save edited HTML files without needing any su or sudo.
Not even root Smile Surprise indeed.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 May 2013, 03:29    Post subject:  

Sabayon 13.04 MATE 64 bit.

http://sabayon.org/

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Linux Kernel 3.8.8 (3.8.10 available through updates, 3.9 available in hours) with BFQ iosched and ZFS, GNOME 3.6.3, KDE 4.10.2, MATE 1.6 (thanks to infirit), Xfce 4.10, LibreOffice 4.0, production ready UEFI (and SecureBoot) support and experimental systemd support (including openrc boot speed improvements) are just some of the things you will find inside the box.



Fast,fast,fast........ Laughing Think I'll install this tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 May 2013, 12:14    Post subject:  

I tested Sabayon 64 bit xfce using the isobooter
style that has word well for LMDE and crunchBang
and Zorin and Solyd and solus linux

but it did not worked well for Sabayon. Very slow execution
of Midori and Adobe Flash failed on Youtube.
but it did access the NTFS HD so that is a good thing,

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PostPosted: Fri 03 May 2013, 18:52    Post subject:  

Trying another one ......openSUSE 12.3 KDE.
http://www.opensuse.org/en/

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Sat 04 May 2013, 12:29    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
Trying another one ......openSUSE 12.3 KDE.
http://www.opensuse.org/en/

Code:
linux@linux:~> uname -r
3.7.10-1.1-default


Thanks for the tip James, I'm trying that one at the moment. The live version seems to work better than the standard DVD version of OpenSUSE (which when I last installed it didn't connect to the Internet), Also, I've recently installed the latest version of Mint Debian which is working fine (as usual),

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PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 06:32    Post subject: Other Distros
Subject description: Debian 7.0 Wheezy
 

I downloaded Debian 7.0 Wheezy 64 bit which took approx 2 and a half
hours, then installed it to the hard drive with the graphical
installer.
I like it so far.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 10:51    Post subject:  

For those who don't like Gnome 3 ....Debian 7.0 Wheezy with KDE.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 12:11    Post subject: Other Distros  

And then there's Debian 7.0 Wheezy with XFCE, also LXDE
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