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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:11    Post subject:  

You apparrently did NOT read the opening post when posted.

Again another of your OUTRAGEOUS behavior and claim.

In case you didnt, it was always clear. I made it CLEARER

Finally, I see you now speak for both James C and Darkcity. Wow!The recent post by me directs attention to your behavior. Do you get it? It is perceive by me to be wrong and to try to indicate that the thread is about me when you attack the product is again an inconsistent ideology and exhibits very bad behavior.

Maybe others wont stand up to you behavior, I will!

I stand by my claim

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:13    Post subject:  

Maybe you notice I quote very little of what you say. Look again across the history of your comments.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:15    Post subject:  

Now compare with what my history of quotes are. Can you think on any reason why I quote little to nothing of what you say? Hmmmm...
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:20    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
You apparrently did NOT read the opening post when posted.

Again another of your OUTRAGEOUS behavior and claim.

In case you didnt, it was always clear. I made it CLEARER

Finally, I see you now speak for both James C and Darkcity. Wow!The recent post by me directs attention to your behavior. Do you get it? It is perceive by me to be wrong and to try to indicate that the thread is about me when you attack the product is again an inconsistent ideology and exhibits very bad behavior.

Maybe others wont stand up to you behavior, I will!

I stand by my claim

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Oh I did read it. And It did not contain the content it now has.
If you posted the link to the thread why did JamesC then post it?
if you posted the informaiton about 01Micko being the developer, why did Starhawk think briefly that you developed this release? if it was 'clear' then he wouldnt have made that mistake.

You change your posts continually, and I believe you do to so make others look bad - as you are trying to do with me. You've been caught doing it before, and you've been caught doing it again.
Since you said, "Maybe its time to reflect a little .... just maybe." Maybe its time for you to reflect on the cause and effects of you editing your posts after people comment on them.


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Maybe you notice I quote very little of what you say. Look again across the history of your comments.

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Now compare with what my history of quotes are. Can you think on any reason why I quote little to nothing of what you say? Hmmmm...

Oh I've noticed. I can only assume you do that so its eaiser for you to change your posts later. Afterall if its clear what you are responding to... its harder for you to twist the comments later to mean something else.

Still archiving... http://q5sys.info/edited_posts/phatslacko/

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:27    Post subject:  

I have no problem speaking for myself or clarifying any position I have taken. My entire involvement in this silly thread was making it clear that PhatSlacko was 01micko's project ...a fact that you left out of the first post in this thread...... in order to clear up Starhawk's confusion.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=691133#691133
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:31    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:

Still archiving... http://q5sys.info/edited_posts/phatslacko/


Had to do the same in some threads with the famous or infamous Puppyite ...... still got the stuff on the hard drive. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:39    Post subject:  

I had not visited this thread since its outset day. Its opening is a clear intention to draw attention to some aspects of the distro that could have been overlooked.

Then looking today, I felt comments here attacks the very good work that 01Micko has presented the community. And, I reacted. Yes, I do find those posts as methods of diminishing his contribution and an attempt to use this thread to achieve such.

I am aware of Q5sys's own Slackware 64bit efforts.

I stand by my claim.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:54    Post subject:  

Well I don't know how others read this thread (in the beginning), but I must admit that when I read the original first post (that was a few days ago, before it got edited), I got the same impression as James C and starhawk - I thought this is gcmartin's creation, especially knowing that gcmartin liked FatSlacko features. The name change only made it so (I thought gcmartin took FatSlacko, remastered it and released it as PhatSlacko). Only after more careful read and reading others' comments, and doing a google search to find 01micko's release annoucement myself I became aware that it is actually 01micko's work (and a good one at that ).

As for "telling development what to do!" - my take on it is that it is a fine line between "suggesting/request" and "telling", and different people may not view the same comment in the same way. As for me, I can definitely say that I've got my share of that "suggestion/requests", sometimes repeatedly despite my explanation of why it won't get done Wink

Back to the main topic, I think it is not fair to compare PHATSlacko with Apple and Microsoft OS. Doing so is a disservice to PHATSlacko and discourtesy to 01micko. Let me point out what I mean:
a) Does the competitor (Apple/Microsoft) provides full office suite out of the box (and by full I don't mean stuff like WordPad or Calculator or MS Paint)
b) Does the competitor provides full-featured that can play most media formats out there?
c) Can the competitor be used to run live system from CD/DVD/USB flash drive?
d) Can one copy of the competitor system be used to boot multiple *different* computer systems?
e) How about hardware support? Does the competitor supports as much hardware devices as PHATSlacko (without having to install / download 3rd party drivers)?
f) Can the competitor be run on machines with less than 1 GB of RAM and less than 10GB of harddisk space while providing the same functionality as PHATSlacko (lest someone think that this configuration is useless in todays "big desktop system", remember in many desktop virtualisation systems, one tries to minimise the OS footprint consumed by the desktop VM).
I can go on and on, there are many finer points, but at the end of the day I am in the opinion that PHATSlacko provides functionalities way beyond those of its competitor - so saying that it is a viable replacement of its competitor is an understatement Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 13:56    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
I had not visited this thread since its outset day. Its opening is a clear intention to draw attention to some aspects of the distro that could have been overlooked.

Then looking today, I felt comments here attacks the very good work that 01Micko has presented the community. And, I reacted. Yes, I do find those posts as methods of diminishing his contribution and an attempt to use this thread to achieve such.

I am aware of Q5sys's own Slackware 64bit efforts.

I stand by my claim.


Yes I currently am doing work with a base of 64bit slackware. So is JamesBond... So is Kirk... So is TazOC. None of that has anything to do with 01Mickos work on his 32bit variants of Slackware. I've built stuff for the 32bit Slackware releases, I've given 01Micko suggestions. Some of which after thinking about he's agreed and implemented.
I want this forum to have a strong 32bit slackware release... and I think we currently have a great one.

None of that has anything to do with my comments regarding your actions. My comments about your actions have nothing to do with the skill of 01Micko and/or the quality of his release.

I made no such attacks against 01Micko or any of his releases. And since anyone can view this thread in its history they can see that I have not.

None of this addresses the issue of the following:
1.) 01Micko had a thread for his release of PHATSlacko which at this point already spans 4 pages; and is the proper place for informaiton and bug reporting and announcements.
2.) You decided to create another thread 'announcing' PHATSlacko, and failed to mention that it was created by 01Micko.
3.) JamesC , made a post where he commented on 01Micko being the developer
4.) Starhawk thought briefly that you were the developer, because you failed to mention 01Micko in your post.
5.) I notice that you edited your original post to include a mention of 01Micko.
6.) Starhawk confirms that he thought for a moment that you were the developer.
7.) You flame me and Starhawk for being hostile again 01Micko (which we were not)
8.) I address the fact that you edited your post.
9.) You effectively call me a liar.
10.) JamesC Confirms that the informaiton about 01Micko was missing from your original post.

You said you stand by your 'claims'... I stand by the facts.

But the important question. Why are you creating posts for other developers releases when they have ALREADY created threads for them?

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 14:17    Post subject:  

What is your problem in understanding. Go look at the first day's post to this thread.

You continue to try to impose some logic contrary to the Opening Thread's post.

For the last time Q5sys, LOOK AT THE TITLE AND THEN READ THE THEME!

This thread is NOT doing what you continue to try to emphasize. It is an announce which does NOT ask for or request bug posting or anything. You are mis-guiding the reality. You comments are aimed as I claim, herein.

I stand by my claim!

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 14:27    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
What is your problem in understanding. Go look at the first day's post to this thread.

I cant go back and look at the first days post. Because I cant go back in time and see what the post was before you changed it.

gcmartin wrote:
You continue to try to impose some logic contrary to the Opening Thread's post.

No you've changed the opening post to include information it did not have at the time. So yes, now it has that information. Previously it did not.

gcmartin wrote:
For the last time Q5sys, LOOK AT THE TITLE AND THEN READ THE THEME!

I can read the post you've edited. I cannot go back and look at tte post that existed before you changed it.

gcmartin wrote:
This thread is NOT doing what you continue to try to emphasize. It is an announce which does NOT ask for or request bug posting or anything. You are mis-guiding the reality. You comments are aimed as I claim, herein.

I stand by my claim!


You stand by being a dishonest person and being very deceitful by changing your posts after the fact and then trying to call others liars.

You have changed your post as I've claimed. I've provided screencap proof of your editing later posts. I do not have a copy of your original post, however Both JamesC and Jamesbond have both stated that the original post did not contain credit to 01Micko and was worded in a confusing way to make it appear that you were the developer.

We can see the first post as it exists now that you've edited it. We cannot see the original post where you did not give 01micko credit.

So I guess your claim is that myself, JamesC, and JamesBond are all wrong?

I ask again: Why are you creating posts for other developers releases when they have ALREADY created threads for them?

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 16:06    Post subject:  

There is an allusion that is being past on here which tends to

JamesBond
Thanks for your comments. But, I think you have to admit, that nowhere in the title or its opening thread does it, either, now or ever, say anything about Microsoft/Apple comparison. Opening thread has alway provided the idea that should anyone try this distro, they will be able to do similar/same as he does with an OOTB Microsoft/Apple PC. Right??? Look again. None of that information has been changed. The credit to 01Micko has ALWAYS BEEN THERE! I even made it boldly clearer.

All of this thread was intended to be a help to with a message of his distro. I consider this 32bit distro a shining example of the full featured distros that are produced in this community. And a shining example of how Puppy Linux provides great services for its users.

You, yourself will attest to that, I’m sure. This thread has the same singular mission as it has had from the outset.

Q5sys
In review, I find nowhere that you have made ANY attempt to bring value thru word or deed to PhatSlacko. No contributing anything.

But, you have done something in the Slacko community. I can draw attention to, both, this and another dismal effort to derail 01Micko’s contribution in PAE distro offerings by using a beta copy of his and proclaiming no value, when this very community has shown over and over that there is value in both perceived and actual system performance and behavior. That very effort by you appeared to be aimed at diminishing the value of his work there, too.

If you can show us somewhere that you have done something to promote any value to PhatSlacko, it would be worth a reconsideration on my part of whether you are not and did not try to defame his contribution by using this thread to do so.

Lastly, I have done similar with TaZoC work and with Fatdog over the years as well as have drawn attention to other works by developers in this community. I have NEVER claimed credit for anyone’s work in this community. And with those developers I have had occasion to work with, I’ve always done so to their credit....not my own. I legitimately feel they deserve credit for the contributions they make to all of us. That is my legacy. It is consistent. And each developer I have worked with, directly or indirectly, will say the same, I'm sure.

I am about as honest as anyone you'll ever know.

Q5sys, I stand by my claim.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 16:25    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Look again. None of that information has been changed. The credit to 01Micko has ALWAYS BEEN THERE! I even made it boldly clearer.

So you are calling myself, JamesC and Jamesbond Liars for stating that the information was not there before you edited your post?


gcmartin wrote:
But, you have done something in the Slacko community. I can draw attention to, both, this and another dismal effort to derail 01Micko’s contribution in PAE distro offerings by using a beta copy of his and proclaiming no value, when this very community has shown over and over that there is value in both perceived and actual system performance and behavior. That very effort by you appeared to be aimed at diminishing the value of his work there, too.

I did not attempt to derail any PAE offering. So you're lying there. I made a thread and posted a multitude of tests regarding PAE vs NON-PAE kernels and performance impact. Stating factual tests does not mean Im derailing anything. I have no problem with PAE, it has its place, I do not however feel that PAE should be the default version. 01Micko apparently agrees, since the primary download of versions of Slacko are NON-PAE. The PAE version is an option choice for people. Furthermore I didnt use a beta copy of any of his work. So you're lying there too. I tested offical releases, and posted them for everyone to see. And 01Micko commented in that thread. If he felt I was attacking his work he would have been in his right to state so. He did not, in fact he made the comment that he was going to reference my work so users could decide for themselves. See This thread and this post.


gcmartin wrote:
If you can show us somewhere that you have done something to promote any value to PhatSlacko, it would be worth a reconsideration on my part of whether you are not and did not try to defame his contribution by using this thread to do so.

No I have not created threads about PhatSlacko because I feel the thread that 01Micko created is sufficient to talk about his thread. I see no reason to go create more threads when we already have a thread in place to talk about that release. As such I have made positive comments about Phatslacko and 01Micko's work in this very thread. I guess you're selective reading skill caused you to not read what I said.


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I legitimately feel they deserve credit for the contributions they make to all of us. That is my legacy. It is consistent. And each developer I have worked with, directly or indirectly, will say the same, I'm sure.

You're talking about 'Your Legacy'?! I dont even know how to comment on someone who feels they have a 'legacy'... I'm just a simple person.

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I am about as honest as anyone you'll ever know.

If you are the measure of Honesty... The world is doomed.



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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 16:31    Post subject:  

If 01Micko comes forward and says that I have made comments that he feels are negative or hostile or otherwise an attempt to discredit his work... I will publicly apologize to him, as that was not my intention at any point through any of my posts in this thread.

All he has to do is show me where I have attacked him and/or his work , and I will publicly retract those statements, and make a public apology to him.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 16:33    Post subject: Introducing PhatSlacko 5.5 - A Microsoft-Apple Replacement  

Hi all,

I am trying to make sense of this thread, trying to understand the dynamics of the situation.... I am not interested (at this point) in taking sides or casting blame here.

That said, an accusation has been made that gcmartin is editing his post(s) in this thread apparently to alter the content and tone of what he said --in response to feedback from others. Given what others have said about the confusion as to who created the PhatSlacko 5.5 re-mix, this seems to be a valid concern. However, if that is the case, then it seems to me that earlier posts by gcmartin should be stamped as having been edited x number of times...

Is it possible to edit one's posts surreptitiously after others have posted in the thread? What is going on here?

Respectfully,
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