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How do I remaster a custom Puppy?
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DataPacRat

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 12:49    Post subject:  How do I remaster a custom Puppy?  

I know some of the posters here are much more skilled than I am at configuring Linux files and so forth. As much as I want to learn those skills, I also want to have a customized ISO I can burn to disc - and I'm not too proud to ask for help. Or to Paypal a few bucks to your favorite charity for added incentive.

My goal: A puplet customized for reading various archived data, most likely burned onto the same disc as the puplet. Data to include text, hypertext, PDFs, ebooks (eg, epubs), CBR files, music, movies. Automatically open the main documents directory, program associations set up to run the appropriate programs. A wallpaper, logo, and theme for a consistent look. Reasonably small size, to save room for archives.


If anybody here wants to help me get this set up, then let me know, here or through email (my username at gmail dot com), and we can hammer out the details.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 16:11    Post subject:  

Do you want to remaster because you intend to install your custom Puppy in other computers, or will you be running it only from the live CD?
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 16:26    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Do you want to remaster because you intend to install your custom Puppy in other computers, or will you be running it only from the live CD?


The latter - I don't plan on assuming the computers these run on will have any permanent storage.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 23:41    Post subject:  

Okay then, if you can assume the computers will have CD or DVD drives and are permitted to boot from them, you should at least consider running Puppy from a multisession CD or DVD. Multisession is the equivalent of remastering, if you don't intend to install Puppy.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 00:05    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Okay then, if you can assume the computers will have CD or DVD drives and are permitted to boot from them, you should at least consider running Puppy from a multisession CD or DVD. Multisession is the equivalent of remastering, if you don't intend to install Puppy.


My plan is to put the various archived data onto "M-Disc" DVDs and Blu-Rays; and for the data to be the same in 50 years as when it's written. If using a muti-session disc is vital for a Puplet, then that would have to be a different disc than the data is stored on.

I could /almost/ get away with just using the standard Slacko 5.4 ISO; but it lacks a couple of reader programs, at the very least. So, since what I want needs an EPub and CBR reader added anyway, it seems worth the effort to smooth over any other rough edges. ... If I can figure out all the details, or find someone who can help figure them out with me.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 01:12    Post subject:  

You can store the archived data on the same multisession disk as Puppy (DVD or Blu-Ray, multisession Puppy works on either one), but separately from Puppy. That is, after Puppy boots from the multisession disk, you then mount the same disk and use whatever program you've installed in Puppy to read the data from the disk. I've been running Puppy from multisession DVD and Blu-Ray disks for around 6 years. I'm telling you, it works like magic. Each disk can have its own Puppy on it, with the same or different programs installed.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 01:25    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
You can store the archived data on the same multisession disk as Puppy (DVD or Blu-Ray, multisession Puppy works on either one), but separately from Puppy. That is, after Puppy boots from the multisession disk, you then mount the same disk and use whatever program you've installed in Puppy to read the data from the disk. I've been running Puppy from multisession DVD and Blu-Ray disks for around 6 years. I'm telling you, it works like magic. Each disk can have its own Puppy on it, with the same or different programs installed.


Okay, I seem to have lost track of a detail. The only times I've ever heard of multisession discs was to be able to add additional data after the initial burn; so I assumed that when you mentioned putting Puppy on a multisession disc, it would be so that data could keep being saved - like updating a savefile with new preferences, etc. But now I gather that that's not what you meant at all... Would that be something like burning the Puplet ISO in one session, and then the disc's main contents in another session, and then that's it? If so - I have absolutely no objection to such a thing.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 02:14    Post subject:  

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My goal: A puplet customized for reading various archived data, most likely burned onto the same disc as the puplet. Data to include text, hypertext, PDFs, ebooks (eg, epubs), CBR files, music, movies. Automatically open the main documents directory, program associations set up to run the appropriate programs. A wallpaper, logo, and theme for a consistent look. Reasonably small size, to save room for archives.


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My plan is to put the various archived data onto "M-Disc" DVDs and Blu-Rays; and for the data to be the same in 50 years as when it's written. If using a muti-session disc is vital for a Puplet, then that would have to be a different disc than the data is stored on.

I could /almost/ get away with just using the standard Slacko 5.4 ISO; but it lacks a couple of reader programs, at the very least. So, since what I want needs an EPub and CBR reader added anyway, it seems worth the effort to smooth over any other rough edges. ... If I can figure out all the details, or find someone who can help figure them out with me.

Why not using USB Flash instead of CD/DVD?

Once you did buy a CD, later you'll throw away PLASTC!

Why not using SFS Files instead of remastering?

To create and updating an SFS File for Data and/or Programs is much easier than remastering - especially if one is remastering the Puppy without the LazY Puppy Remaster-Suite!

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 02:21    Post subject:  

R-S-H wrote:
Why not using USB Flash instead of CD/DVD?

Once you did buy a CD, later you'll throw away PLASTC!


Longevity. The archival discs I plan on using should remain stable, and readable, for at least fifty years, and possibly many times that length of time. I would barely trust a USB drive to maintain its data for a year, let along a decade, let alone multiple decades.


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Why not using SFS Files instead of remastering?

To create and updating an SFS File for Data and/or Programs is much easier than remastering - especially if one is remastering the Puppy without the LazY Puppy Remaster-Suite!


To give an example of what I have in mind - I'm going to end up with a bunch of data for the year 1967 - pictures, text, movies, and more. I'd like to put all of that together on a single disk. I'm also going to have a bunch of data for the year 1968, which I want to put on its own disc. Etc, etc. That's almost fifty discs, just for the data sorted by year. I'd like to throw a Puplet onto those discs, so that the programs that can read and display those movies, etc, remain with the movies, etc.

Once the discs are burned - they'll probably never be updated, only read from. Whatever is a reasonably simple way to put both the Puplet and the data onto the dozens of discs, I'm willing to try out.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 03:16    Post subject:  

In 50 years, there may not be something as archaic as an optical drive.
It is astounding how fast a technology becomes obsolete. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 03:24    Post subject:  

gameboyab wrote:
In 50 years, there may not be something as archaic as an optical drive.
It is astounding how fast a technology becomes obsolete. Rolling Eyes


It's still possible to read punch cards today - or analog audio from wire spools. It just takes a bit of willingness to put in the effort.

If some longer-lasting media arrives, then at the very least, I'll have everything all nicely sorted out to be transferred. And in the meantime, it'll all be safely stored and tucked away. (Yes, including having multiple copies in different locations, if all goes well.)

One way or another, I'm giving this a shot. Whether I stick a copy of some version of Puppy Linux on these discs, and which version that might be, is the point that's still being hashed out.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 06:53    Post subject:  

Hi.

Some help to remaster the puppy could be: LazY Puppy LazY Remaster Suite. I know it works in Lucid and Three Headed Dog and there has been a Forum Member that confirmed it's working in a precise derivative - I think it was Online Puppy (Precise 542).

Hope that will help somehow...

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 11:02    Post subject:  

Have you tried to use the regular remaster program that comes with Puppy? Seems like it would meet your needs.

When you run it, before the last steps when it makes the iso, it gives you a chance to copy any additional files to the puppylivecd directory (which then gets made into an iso file).

Or, you could have it just create the puppylivecd directory and skip making the iso file. Then add the files you want and convert it into an iso manually.

Seems the best strategy might be to give it a try and then if it doesn't work for you come back with more specific questions.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 13:12    Post subject:  

Somebody renamed the thread for me. I've already managed to take the puppylivecd directory and turn it into an ISO; what I haven't managed is to stuff the right software and configuration files into that directory to do what I want. Eg - I've searched through the forum's archives, but haven't managed to get a single CBR reader I've found mention of to work at all. I don't know if there's an ebook reader more compact than Calibre handy, and I haven't managed to get Calibre's reader to activate when an ePub file is clicked on. I haven't even started looking for where Slacko keeps its startup screen, start-menu icon, etc, to try rebranding the eventual Puplet as, say, 'PupReader 0.1'.

The big stuff is easy to figure out or find an answer for; it's all the little fiddly bits that are stymieing my efforts.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 13:21    Post subject:  

FBReader works great on puppy for reading epub files. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23440

I didn't even know what a CBR reader was until I looked it up, but if you search "cbr ubuntu" there are some that look like they'd run in Lucid puppy.
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