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Puppy Ripped off by Google Developer??
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Q5sys


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 20:15    Post subject:  Puppy Ripped off by Google Developer??  

So I dont know if anyone had read this... but here is where the saga starts:

ChromeBook Inventor
The individual did work at google, and Google was granted a patent based on some of his work.

So thats where the story starts... But then enters a ton of Google Employees who want to get their word in.

I dont know how long that thread will get... so I'll go ahead and post two parts I think are the most interesting...


it continues...

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 20:54    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
LOL, I hit "publish", then saw your post..
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 00:34    Post subject:  

Clearly "Guppy" is short for "GooglePuppy". Shows the genesis of ChromeOS, and how visionary Barry is.

I still have a copy of googleOS - I must dig it out and give it another whirl. I seem to remember feeling it was so much less capable than Puppy unless you had a high speed umbilical tying you to a good broadband link. Puppy was faster and could do things offline to...
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amigo

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 03:40    Post subject:  

Uh, excuse me, but BK did not invent the LiveCD, running from RAM, etc. Those ideas and techniques were around long before puppy was begun. Also, all the fuss above about a web-based or cloud-based OS is ridiculous -a bunch of desktop shortcuts which open web-pages does not constitute a web-based or cloud-based OS.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 03:51    Post subject:  

So what makes googleOS and chromeOS different to others then? Are they just something like terminal server sessions over internet?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 06:23    Post subject:  

But Google OS is not same as Jeff's Guppy is it?
AFAIK they named it ChromeOS and not Google OS
But Google OS was not guppy unless Jeff used that name
somewhere? Did he? we should have heard about Guppy
on our forum if it was a puppy even if stripped down?

Or did he manage to keep that secred up to 2013?

Here is his patent http://www.google.com/patents/US8239662
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A system for providing an operating system over a network to a local device is provided. The system includes a base image server, a preferences image server and an image loader. The system may also include a boot loader. A method for providing an operating system over a network to a local device is also provided. The method includes receiving a request for an operating system. The method further includes transmitting to a local device remotely stored base and preferences images that are configured for combination into a combined image. The method may also include the synchronizing the combined image with a cached version of an operating system on the local device.
Inventor: Jeffrey Nelson
/quote

AFAIK GoogleOs is something entirely other than Guppy.
if I am wrong then I do apology

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 07:14    Post subject:  

It will be interesting to see where this all ends.

The patent I think may relate to something I think either a puplet or early puppy was able to do, involving booting over PXE. But that doesn't likely mean they stole it, as it has existed probably before and after Puppy.

Guppy may have been an internal distro for Google folk, but who knows. We'd need to hunt around the filesystem of the current google linux offerings, and their earlier versions which there is the possibility of containing puppy documentation that may have been purged later on.

However, Puppy is free software, hence other than maybe a few things, Google can do this. I think...
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 09:57    Post subject:  

amigo wrote:
Uh, excuse me, but BK did not invent the LiveCD, running from RAM, etc. Those ideas and techniques were around long before puppy was begun. Also, all the fuss above about a web-based or cloud-based OS is ridiculous -a bunch of desktop shortcuts which open web-pages does not constitute a web-based or cloud-based OS.

Exactly, which make this guys claim to having invented it even more ludicrous. As it seems now his claim to having 'invented' anything is based on him remixing puppy. Who knows how this will develop.

NeroVance wrote:
However, Puppy is free software, hence other than maybe a few things, Google can do this. I think...

yes Puppy is released under GPL, so yes anyone can take it, change it and re-release it. But you cant them claim that you created it or that you 'invented' it.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 10:51    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:
NeroVance wrote:
However, Puppy is free software, hence other than maybe a few things, Google can do this. I think...

yes Puppy is released under GPL, so yes anyone can take it, change it and re-release it. But you cant them claim that you created it or that you 'invented' it.


That is true. You may be able to claim you made the derivative, but you can't go claiming that you made what it's based off as well (unless you actually did make it)

In essentiality, They built it, but didn't build what it's based off, if it is Puppy based Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 13:15    Post subject:  

And what is Puppy 'based' off of?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 13:41    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:
Exactly, which make this guys claim to having invented it even more ludicrous. As it seems now his claim to having 'invented' anything is based on him remixing puppy. Who knows how this will develop.
I think what this guy is claiming is that his work on behalf of google formed the foundation of googleOS and ChromeOS and that others are taking the credit for that. He is saying that he put together the initial code that demonstrated the ability for googleOS to tap into online processing power and/or app delivery via an internet connection, and he is saying that this processing power/app delivery was based on google services and google storage.

(The fact that the patent seems focused on OS delivery rather than app delivery is likely to work against him...)

He appears to be wanting to take credit for kicking into life a google-funded team to develop this concept. He obviously wants the creative kudos for how far he took the project in it's early stages. (fair enough)

Seems to me this is about him tapping into google's revenue stream on the basis that he did the groundwork for their current OS, and that his patent based on that work was eventually granted. Now he has the patent he is probably expecting google to pay up but of course they will not want to admit any role he may have had in fostering the googleOS project. In any case, googleOS used someone elses browser, whereas chromeOS uses their own so I don't see him as being able to claim continuity and derivation.

Anyway, it seems to me that a person who was probably instrumental in shaping the early phase of googleOS used Puppy as his inspiration/model. Thats still a feather in the hat for Puppy
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 14:45    Post subject:  

Barry Kauler has some legal rights

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'Puppylinux.org' is established and maintained by people listed on this page and the 'Puppy Linux Foundation'. We and Barry Kauler have trademark claim to the name and typed drawing of 'Puppylinux.org' and 'Puppy Linux Foundation' as it relates to "Puppy Linux, an computer operating system software to facilitate computer use and operation", under Federal and International Common Law and Trademark Laws as appropriate.

Barry Kauler established the 'Puppy Linux Project' in January 2003, first website and product release 18-June-2003, and he has trademark claim to the name and typed drawing of 'Puppy Linux', 'PuppyOS' and 'Puppy' as it relates to "computer operating system software to facilitate computer use and operation", under Federal and International Common Law and Trademark Laws as appropriate.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 16:40    Post subject:  

What you quoted is trademark. They protect Barry's right to the Puppy name and logo. That is someone else couldn't start calling an OS Puppy, or make derivative and claim it was Puppy OS.

It doesn't lay claim to any technology used in Puppy - which is covered by a GPL license. Means anyone and use and modify the technology, but not claim they invented it.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 17:03    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Q5sys wrote:
Exactly, which make this guys claim to having invented it even more ludicrous. As it seems now his claim to having 'invented' anything is based on him remixing puppy. Who knows how this will develop.
I think what this guy is claiming is that his work on behalf of google formed the foundation of googleOS and ChromeOS and that others are taking the credit for that. He is saying that he put together the initial code that demonstrated the ability for googleOS to tap into online processing power and/or app delivery via an internet connection, and he is saying that this processing power/app delivery was based on google services and google storage.

Yea except thats nothing new either. Since the foundation of the internet, storing files remotely was done. So thats nothing new. And neither is editing files that are stored locally. And neither is editing files remotely that are stored remotely. And even though this doesnt do it... neither is offloading portions of the OS remotely.
Anyone ever used a Thin Client before?


greengeek wrote:
Anyway, it seems to me that a person who was probably instrumental in shaping the early phase of googleOS used Puppy as his inspiration/model. Thats still a feather in the hat for Puppy

Yes... if that part of the story doesnt get whitewashed away by the size and influence of google.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 17:22    Post subject:  

amigo wrote:
And what is Puppy 'based' off of?



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