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Re: time?

#41 Post by dennis-slacko531 »

slenkar wrote:
rg66 wrote:Every time I boot into Arch the time has changed. I set the time and timezone, reboot (with a save file) and it's different. Something is resetting it at shutdown, so what file can I edit to stop this?
To get the timezone right I setup a symlink

it is explained in the arch docs
I forgot America, but now it works after booting... Find the clock help under Menu/Using ArchPup specific scripts

ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles /etc/localtime

simargl

#42 Post by simargl »

john3voltas wrote:Just hope the community will help the dev(s) with these minor issues.
Kudos and keep up the good work.
Archpup development team was very small anyway, but now it is even smaller after mavrothal's decision to quit. I will try to fix problems you mentioned, but keep in mind that I do not have laptop nor wireless network interface, that means everything depends on users, when solution for reported problems appears I can just add it.

For laptop touchpad that is not recognizing double-tap, it probably requires editing file xorg.conf. I thought xorg automatically recognizes devices using udev (at least that is how they describe it), but something is obviously missing.

For PC clock this is how it works:
On every boot, after waiting for 10 seconds, this executes:: rdate -s tick.greyware.com
That gets current time from the network server, but at default it will setup time to CET timezone.

You need to change timezone to suit your location like this:
ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London /etc/localtime

On every shutdown or reboot, script /etc/init.d/hwclock runs, and it saves current system time to hardware clock.
Hardware clock can be localtime or UTC, by default it is localtime (see /etc/rc.conf) to prevent problems in case windows is installed.

oui

#43 Post by oui »

Hi stifiling
stifiling wrote:you could write yourself a script
yes, I also would be able to create my own linux distribution but I have no time or interest to do that...

I only consider that it is an error to present a distro in 2 formats, a short one, a long one, and to overload the short version with figure not being imperative! the first ArchPup were an specimen of real concision, a system with instant reactions. same thing with the second. the next ones are all terribly overloaded and become to be more play tools to present the system and experiment some time, and after that continue this test playing with other new puplets, as really practical OS's for the hard daily work. they are only version to test for people having time to loose...

I am willing to ADD figures needed by me but in never case to EXTERMINATE figures loosing the time of users and build in without necessity.

in such case, ArchPup is definitively not the right system for me any more

I already have abandon ArchPup since 3..4 weeks ago for this reason: we have to much new puplets at this time in competition. LazyPuppy has the same inconvenient as all the news ArchPup's but is about complete with an great collection of adapted SFS's... nothing to do: You can work and give all your time to your work, not to adapt an open box menu!

time is the only one good in live what you can't buy at all!

kind rgds

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#44 Post by stifiling »

john3voltas wrote:- Laptop touchpad is not recognizing double-tap nor double-finger-scroll nor right-side-single-finger-scroll. This is very annoying for people working on a laptop.
this appears to be the same as what Scooby was speaking about in an earlier thread. he winded up figuring it out on his machine and maybe you could try his fix:

http://208.109.22.214/puppy/viewtopic.p ... 51d#679025



@oui,

you'd like to see the save file dialog along with save file capabilities...completely removed from archpup, correct? Do you think that not being able to save your changes, or fumbling with sfs files....would be easy on new users?

what i think would be easier on you, seeing that you prefer archpup, rather than using Slitaz or anything else...is by simply editing the sfs file and creating your own personal 'oui reboot' button.

you know how to do it and it takes less time than learning Slitaz does.

if archpup loses save files....archpup loses lots of users. but it will 'probably' keep oui.

simargl

#45 Post by simargl »

oui wrote:I already have abandon ArchPup since 3..4 weeks ago for this reason: we have to much new puplets at this time in competition. LazyPuppy has the same inconvenient as all the news ArchPup's but is about complete with an great collection of adapted SFS's... nothing to do: You can work and give all your time to your work, not to adapt an open box menu!
If you think that adding one entry in openbox menu is work too hard, I just can't say nothing more, use whatever you like the most. But I think you are exaggerating when you compare first Archpup release and this one, except panel at bottom and two new submenus, they are pretty much the same. And If you want to use system in its original state, without changing anything, I can't see point in using Linux - there is another OS intended exactly for that purpose - that could save you a lot of time.

I have never used Lazy Puppy, don't know what is it based off, but I don't believe it has more complete collection of packages than Arch Linux.

Good luck, I wish you all the best

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#46 Post by rcrsn51 »

Printing in Archpup #2

It is possible to make printing work in Archpup, although the selection of supported models is limited. However, there are two issues that must be resolved first.

1. The folder /etc is not being written back to the savefile at the end of a session. This is crucial.

2. The CUPS daemon is being started before localhost is ready. So a CUPS restart is required before it will work.
Last edited by rcrsn51 on Sat 16 Feb 2013, 12:20, edited 1 time in total.

oui

#47 Post by oui »

simargl wrote:Good luck, I wish you all the best
I wish you the same with a system loosing the time of users and not able to print as usual :P

All modern Puppy's can operate with the greatest depositories of the world, the depositories of the *.DEB-world.

The Arch thing is a certainly a nice add to the Puppy world, but not to loose the user time! I did add big packages from Arch with pacman. The system can often not start the installed packages at all!

Sigmarl, you did build a system to play

no to work with it!

It is nonsens excepted if you goal is to play!

Bring an ArchPup with the same scope of applications as an usual Puppy, and it will literally explode in size!


The only one interesting possible use of ArchPup is to make it able to react extremely fast (but perhaps not universal) as your first ArchPup were! Hm fast? Ok, as long you don't need to print out the doc you did process with it!

You don't realize the importance of time loose today...

Sorry

Good luck to your work but I am afraid the user will fast understand, that you are a good coder but a bad system designer.

Kind regards

simargl

#48 Post by simargl »

Did you, by any change bother, to read the first post? No, I guess not.
oui wrote:You don't realize the importance of time loose today...
If you are too lazy to add one entry in the openbox menu, I can only suggest you try to read more and write less.
That can also save time :wink: , thing you mention so much

simargl

#49 Post by simargl »

To fix problem with starting cups daemon as known issue in the latest release, I will make 13.2.2 version earlier than firstly planned.
There are already some packages updates as mentioned in the first post, plus new firefox will be released on
19.02.2013 See Release Calendar http://www.soeren-hentzschel.at/firefox ... -kalender/

Currently main changes are: resolved cups issue and pacman will by default use archpup custom repository

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#50 Post by rcrsn51 »

simargl wrote:For cups, I checked that cups background service is running on start and that localhost:631 is accessible through web browser.
Can you confirm that, after a CUPS restart, the CUPS web interface is accessible at localhost:631?

simargl

#51 Post by simargl »

Yes I confirm that http://localhost:631/admin works, but with only http://localhost:631 it doesn't work.
It never worked from the beginning, and because I thought that is not very important issue never really tried to fix it.
If you have some suggestion which will eventually make this to work better, I can only add it...

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#52 Post by smil99 »

@ rcrsn51,
Very glad to see you here. Honestly, cups has been a problem since the beginning of archpup :( I even made mention of you here as someone who can help find a solution.

Cheers.
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#53 Post by rcrsn51 »

simargl wrote:If you have some suggestion which will eventually make this to work better, I can only add it...
The folder /usr/share/doc/cups is missing.

simargl

#54 Post by simargl »

rcrsn51, smil99:
localhost:631 is now accessible, problem was my build script that removed every html file
If you want it here is link to cups help files, extract this archive to /usr/share/cups/doc
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-f8ac803a.html

simargl

#55 Post by simargl »

Latest additions to archpup repository:
gtk3-minimal-3.6.4-3-i686.pkg.tar.xz
l3afpad-0.8.18.1.9-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz

For size differences see bellow
[root@archpup ~]# pacman -S gtk3
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (11): at-spi2-atk-2.6.2-1 at-spi2-core-2.6.3-1 colord-0.1.28-1 dconf-0.14.1-1 js-1.8.5-3
lcms2-2.4-1 libgusb-0.1.4-1 nspr-4.9.4-1 polkit-0.109-1 shared-color-profiles-0.1.5-1
gtk3-3.6.4-1

Total Download Size: 15.07 MiB
Total Installed Size: 97.57 MiB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n] n
[root@archpup ~]# pacman -S gtk3-minimal
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (4): at-spi2-atk-2.6.2-1 at-spi2-core-2.6.3-1 dconf-0.14.1-1 gtk3-minimal-3.6.4-3

Total Download Size: 2.21 MiB
Total Installed Size: 10.95 MiB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
Now we can test some of the gtk3 applications 8)

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#56 Post by rcrsn51 »

simargl wrote:localhost:631 is now accessible, problem was my build script that removed every html file
In your next build, you can save some space by deleting /usr/share/doc/cups/help.

simargl

#57 Post by simargl »

rcrsn51 wrote:In your next build, you can save some space by deleting /usr/share/doc/cups/help.
Ok, I've done that and sfs is now 0.3MB smaller. Thanks.
Searching for all .html files shows only two of those are now present
pup_ro2/usr/lib/grub4dos/grub4dosconfig.html
pup_ro2/usr/share/cups/doc/index.html

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#58 Post by stifiling »

Sim,

These are just a few minor modifications i think you should consider.

the background, login.mp3, icons, and themes...should be moved from the main.sfs, into the adrv. and pwireless2 should be moved from main into archapps. that way, when it is said that, "archpup_132.sfs is the barebones solution and boots to tty" it would be 'completely' the truth...instead of mostly.

another thing, geany, simple-radio, spacefm, and viewnior should be moved from the adrv...into archapps sfs. this let's me be able to get rid of caja, mousepad, leafpad, wicd, lxtask, dolphin, etc...from the other adrvs, because the defaults are in archapps.

one last thing is, the menu entries 'Install ArchPup to USB or HDD' and the other two....are written to use specifically geany. So if the user decided they want to uninstall geany and install leafpad...those menu entries will no longer work. traditional puppy has the script /usr/local/bin/defaulttexteditor which executes the command:

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exec geany "$@"
this file is easier to edit if the user decides they want to uninstall geany and use something different. the menu entries will continue to work by having the openbox menu.xml file execute the command:

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defaulttexteditor /usr/share/archpup/doc/installation

simargl

#59 Post by simargl »

I understand your proposal, but also have to think about minimal iso image which comes without archapps sfs.
If I do all that, minimal iso would not have file manager, wireless connection program, or any text editor for reading help files.
So, pwireless must stay in adrv_openbox, but you can also add it to any other adrv - its size is extremely small (15KB),
because I made links in it to use system binaries

This needs more detailed examination for every item you suggested, in many things you are absolutely right...

simargl

#60 Post by simargl »

@stifiling,
These files are moved from main sfs to adrv_openbox:
background - default.jpg,
login.mp3,
Archpup (gtk2,gtk3, and openbox theme)
Clearlooks openbox theme, but gtk2 theme stays in archpup sfs
All other themes are removed
Will also remove faience icons theme from the archapps, it relies very much on faenza that is in adrv_openbox

Programs moved from adrv to archapps :
viewnior

Programs moved from adrv to main sfs :
nano

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