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#101 Post by zigbert »

pMusic 3.2.0 with basic libav support - ffmpeg is still the recommended choice.

Libav will not return stream info as bitrate, samplerate, channels...


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report-video and two videocards

#102 Post by rodin.s »

It's not very important but will report anyway. I've been translating report-video and noticed this thing. I have two videocards - one of them is built-in and this one shown in the report but the other one is in use and it's driver is shown:

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 # LANG=C report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.4.90

Chip description:
 Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
 Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): savage
  Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx i2c int10 kbd mouse ramdac record vbe vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (283x212 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# lspci | grep VGA
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
01:04.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Savage 4 (rev 04)

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#103 Post by ilanrab »

Sage wrote:If modems, webcams & co. are detected as sound cards that's an error of detection suggesting an appropriate remedy.
Folks wanting to run two or more sound cards from one PC,..... gratis.
I believe that you need to understand this issue much better, Sage. I've been stuck with Lupu 5.25, for quite awhile, specifically because of this issue. I am simply using a Dell Inspirion Mini NETBOOK; No PC sound card issues here. The detection of sound H/W is not a trivial issue. Apparently the group has always lacked the specific experience required to handle such an issue. If you could locate the appropriate sound h/w detection expert, out there, s/he will surely solve the problem; hopefully permanently.
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frisbee - network_tray package status

#104 Post by rerwin »

Barry,
I have resolved all of the remaining issues with frisbee and network_tray. So, they are ready for consideration for the beta.
frisbee: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 092#684092
network_tray: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 694#684694
The tray icons look like the standard network_tray icons but with subtle indications of link type. But I would like to mention some things.

My conclusion and report of frisbee's dependence on the wag_profiles package are incorrect. Because wag-profiles.sh was in the initial beta package from which frisbee is derived, I assumed it was needed. But it was there because it was modified to use dhcpcd-dropwait, which was also there. Therefore, the modified wag-profiles.sh can be restored into the net_setup package. One consideration, though, is that wag-profiles.sh gets updated to add entries for new wireless drivers; keeping it separate would avoid also updating the otherwise unchanged net_setup package. I have updated my frisbee-kit tarball with a recombined net_setup package, so there is one less package for users/testers/developers to install.

The newest network_tray package seems to work reliably. However, now that I have "integrated" the tray icon set, the "-eth" set is no longer needed. I would like to remove the -eth set from the code and perhaps experiment with an implementation that does not require the set of signals from the dhcpcd hooks. Now that I have completed frisbee integration, I feel I can consider some improvements.
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#105 Post by Sage »

I well understand that some folks have sound card issues, ilanrab. You do not seem to understand that it's not a good idea to be running laptops/Dell/Intel (perhaps with 'doze as well?). You cannot squeeze more than one sound card into any laptop I've ever seen. If the internal proprietary laptop components are telling there's more than one sound card - there isn't!. That is an OS issue. Laptops are not intended to be wired externally to multiple rooms - that's crazy. You can have an old box for free - find them in skips at the roadside/dump - chances are they'll all do sound. First rule for Linux - delete the devil's OS unless you're a hobbyist interested in pushing boundaries. HW is so cheap or cheaper that there is NO POINT, even for impecunious students and less fortunate nations to be running multiple sound cards. I've personally sent dozens of working boxes with sound to Africa via our local charities - if they want more so they can run sound in several rooms, they have only to ask. Of course, none of those machines have the ultimate rogue OS loaded, only Linux. Education is the answer, as Tony Blair pointed out. We've got a mission to re-educate uniformed and brainwashed folks from propping up the DWIntel cartel (as well as other evil capitalist crooks eg in banking, meat trading, fizzy drinks purveying, add-your-example-here).

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#106 Post by anikin »

Sage,
When it comes to sound devices, there's a little bit more, than meets the eye. From an audiophile's perspective, the best board for audio would be the one, that doesn't have audio at all. For serious listening, integrated audio is bad. What's considered to be good is a usb output, where you connect an external DAC or usb sound card. The problem is, that all lap/desk/tops come with integrated audio. Hence, the issue of multiple sound devices. It's just unavoidable and as such, needs to be dealt with.

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#107 Post by Hogweed »

Sage,

At the low end £1.50 including P&P (approx $2) gets you this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220806006085? ... 1423.l2649
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Combined webcam/mics, VIOIP Phones, telephone modems (for voice channel input/output) and various other USB devices can and do show up as additional sound cards (They are supposed to). They are far more common than you seem to think.

I can easily think of several people using additional USB sound cards on laptops including me.

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#108 Post by Sage »

None of the above dissenters gets it right, although anikin is almost correct. The PC box is awash with stray signals over the entire spectrum (short of x-ray!). The best sound has nothing to do with PCs; personally, I run a true and synthesised quadraphonic studio amp driving four self-built speaker enclosures, the rear pair being corner reflexes with 15" units + midi + tw. For lesser mortals using a convenient PC, the shorter the path the better and a signal straight off the ISA bus, although still analogue, is about as good as you'll get. Pulling the sound signal out of a USB port isn't too smart. As for a laptop port - ill-advised.
Mr Hogweed still doesn't get it - if it's a webcam, etc. it isn't a sound device. If you want to use SIP, then input your microphone direct to the little pink jack socket labelled 'MIC'. A lack of decent SW to deal with these situations cannot be blamed on the HW or misuse of same.

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#109 Post by Hogweed »

Sage wrote: Mr Hogweed still doesn't get it - if it's a webcam, etc. it isn't a sound device. If you want to use SIP, then input your microphone direct to the little pink jack socket labelled 'MIC'. A lack of decent SW to deal with these situations cannot be blamed on the HW or misuse of same.
If it is a combined webcam/mic (with only USB and no audio jack) designed to provide a soundcard interface to the OS then it shows up as a soundard. That's what it is designed to do.

But just for a simple USB soundcard, for instance I have an old laptop (with only two channel stereo out inbuilt) pretty much dedicated to running Skype (and other VOIP) . On it I use Skype with the USB soundcard selected for Skype audio but leave (On Windows) all other sound I/O on the onboard soundcard. Example under Windows at http://www.von-phone.com/audio-settings-USB-Phone.php

Occasional DJ mixing can be done with an old laptop and the preview/cue headphone channel set to the the USB card,

I also know someone with an old laptop connected to an oldish widescreen tv. The onboard sound card has developed a fault and sound is heavily distorted but is perfect with a $2 external USB soundcard dongle. Cheaper than a new laptop.

Instead of trying to tell everyone that we "don't get it". Can't you just accept that others have needs differing from your own?
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#110 Post by zigbert »

Some years in this forum has made me callous. Quite a few posters don't get my attention. Are we creating or are we nagging?

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#111 Post by rameshiyer »

I would like to inform you that I was able to install Network cum Photostat printer in Precise Puppy 5.9.1 without any problem. However, in Slacko, even after so may experiments, I am unable to take any printout. I feel, Precise Puppy is properly integrated with CUPS?. Thanks Barry Sir.

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#112 Post by vicmz »

vicmz wrote:
BarryK wrote:
vicmz wrote: I've seen this in Precise (the alpha version too), both in JWM and Openbox: when I right-click a file from ROX and select either Copy, Rename, or Move (several times, the one I use more frequently is Copy), the screen turns black, showing only the taskbar, then if I try to use other programs the taskbar disappears and all is finally black. I restart X and keep doing things as usual, then after many times copying files from ROX right-click menu I get the black screen again.
vicmz,
With ROX, I just drag a file, then when I release the left-button a menu pops up asking whether want to copy, move or link.
Does this way work OK for you?
Yes, it does. I usually copy that way, and use the right-click menu when it's a single file. Renaming a file, however, doesn't have a second option (not one that doesn't imply a second application, at least), yet the bug is so weird you can't tell when the screen will turn black after clicking the Rename option. I think I'll post again about this when I get some specific information, maybe it's something I installed.
I could get a clue of why my desktop becomes black when I use ROX-Filer contextual menu when I copy or rename a file. The last time it happened, I tried setting my wallpaper back, and after applying it I got the warning dialog shown in the attached picture, stating that no pinboard was active. The wallpaper was successfully applied, but when I tried to copy or rename a file the screen turned black again. I restarted X and I could copy and rename files, after several times the screen became black again.
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#113 Post by BarryK »

LateAdopter wrote:Hello BarryK

I see from your blog that you a planning to compile 3.8 with an updated configuration.

If possible could you also configure CPUID and MSR kernel modules in your DOTconfig, please?

Thanks.
CONFIG_X86_CPUID seems ok, but isn't CONFIG_X86_MSR dangerous? -- user can kill CPU and system.
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#114 Post by BarryK »

pemasu wrote:Barry. 3.8 kernel. For enabling brcmsmac driver you need to add bcma support as module and also under wireless, the bcma support for broadcom, then you will see brcmsmac as tickable option.
Proprietary wl.ko though is the only supporting driver for many chips. brcmsmac and brcmfmac does not cover them all.

New wireless realtek driver rtl8723ae.ko was in your 3.8 rc kernel. It needs 2 supporting firmwares. I cant show modinfo for the driver (not in 3.8 kernel puppy now), but the attached firmwares should be the right ones.
They can be placed to the all-firmware/rtlwifi folder....if you wish. And according firmware.dep editing. There are already in linux world posts about need for that driver and questions how to get it to work with chips which needs it. So...seems reasonable to include the firmwares also.
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#115 Post by BarryK »

pemasu wrote:3.8 kernel woes continues. rtl8192de.ko module has needed firmware included but firmware.dep misses the definition.
With above new rtl8723ae.ko firmware included the row changes from:
rtlwifi:rtl8192ce.ko,rtl8192cu.ko,rtl8192se.ko,r8712u.ko
to:
rtlwifi:rtl8192ce.ko,rtl8192cu.ko,rtl8192de.ko,rtl8192se.ko,r8712u.ko,rtl8723ae.ko
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#116 Post by linuxcbon »

Precise puppy 5.4.90 :

- Open seamonkey from console. Open a webpage with flash-animation, for example murga forum. # seamonkey
Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r600.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

- # lprsetup.sh
/usr/local/lib/ghostscript must be writable to create filter directory
/usr/local/lib/ghostscript/ is missing for ghostscript ?

- /usr/local/bin/defaultchat: line 2: exec: pidgin: not found

- PERL bugs ?
- # dirsplit
Can't locate List/Util.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-compiledb
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-configure
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-datafile
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- Same for other foomatic****
- # md5pass
Can't locate Crypt/PasswdMD5.pm in @INC
- # perlbug
Warning: failed to load Config_git.pl, something strange about this perl...
Can't locate Sys/Hostname.pm in @INC

- why is there a /selinux directory ?

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#117 Post by BarryK »

zigbert wrote:pMusic 3.2.0 with basic libav support - ffmpeg is still the recommended choice.

Libav will not return stream info as bitrate, samplerate, channels...


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Re: report-video and two videocards

#118 Post by BarryK »

rodin.s wrote:It's not very important but will report anyway. I've been translating report-video and noticed this thing. I have two videocards - one of them is built-in and this one shown in the report but the other one is in use and it's driver is shown:

Code: Select all

 # LANG=C report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.4.90

Chip description:
 Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
 Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): savage
  Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx i2c int10 kbd mouse ramdac record vbe vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (283x212 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# lspci | grep VGA
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
01:04.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Savage 4 (rev 04)
Are you using the latest 'report-video' out of Woof (latest modify was 15th Feb.)?

Because, I don't see how you can be getting that result from latest script.
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#119 Post by LateAdopter »

Hello BarryK

Thanks for the reply.
CONFIG_X86_CPUID seems ok, but isn't CONFIG_X86_MSR dangerous? -- user can kill CPU and system.
MSR is in Lucid Puppy 528 and Ubuntu Precise and Fatdog64. I don't think anyone who didn't know what it was would unwittingly damage anything.

I use TurionPowerControl, which needs it to set the P-state voltages and it has sanity checks on the configuration.

The default voltage on my Athlon II X2 is much too high at 1.4V. I have run it for more that 2 Years, without problem, at 1.1V which halves the power consumption from the ATX 12V line and cuts the PSU fan noise dramatically.

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#120 Post by BarryK »

linuxcbon wrote:Precise puppy 5.4.90 :

- Open seamonkey from console. Open a webpage with flash-animation, for example murga forum. # seamonkey
Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r600.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

- # lprsetup.sh
/usr/local/lib/ghostscript must be writable to create filter directory
/usr/local/lib/ghostscript/ is missing for ghostscript ?

- /usr/local/bin/defaultchat: line 2: exec: pidgin: not found

- PERL bugs ?
- # dirsplit
Can't locate List/Util.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-compiledb
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-configure
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- # foomatic-datafile
Can't locate Encode.pm in @INC
- Same for other foomatic****
- # md5pass
Can't locate Crypt/PasswdMD5.pm in @INC
- # perlbug
Warning: failed to load Config_git.pl, something strange about this perl...
Can't locate Sys/Hostname.pm in @INC

- why is there a /selinux directory ?
Delving into the innards of a Puppy based on Debian or Ubuntu packages is going to turn up many broken or unused scripts, executables, assorted files and directories.

This is because Puppy is very cut-down.

The thing to do is ask whether the particular function works in Puppy. Does ghostscript and foomatic work? If so, forget about some extra crud that came with the package -- in the case of foomatic, there is another foomatic-database package that is not in Puppy, so even if the missing perl modules were there (which they are if the 'devx' sfs is loaded), the foomatic-* perl scripts won't work.

'defaultchat' has been fixed, see an earlier post.

'md5pass' is a script in syslinux, we don't use it.

'selinux' -- some stuff is there, but Puppy doesn't use it. Some selinux stuff is needed to satisfy some packages dependencies.
'perlbug' -- again, what is this for, does Puppy use it for anything?

Woof tries to filter out unneeded and broken files, but various things get through, and some just have to be there for other apps to work.

It is not 100% satisfactory, but as long as Puppy works.
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