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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 14:01    Post_subject:  

Printing in Archpup #2

It is possible to make printing work in Archpup, although the selection of supported models is limited. However, there are two issues that must be resolved first.

1. The folder /etc is not being written back to the savefile at the end of a session. This is crucial.

2. The CUPS daemon is being started before localhost is ready. So a CUPS restart is required before it will work.

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oui

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 15:52    Post_subject:  

simargl wrote:
Good luck, I wish you all the best


I wish you the same with a system loosing the time of users and not able to print as usual Razz

All modern Puppy's can operate with the greatest depositories of the world, the depositories of the *.DEB-world.

The Arch thing is a certainly a nice add to the Puppy world, but not to loose the user time! I did add big packages from Arch with pacman. The system can often not start the installed packages at all!

Sigmarl, you did build a system to play

no to work with it!

It is nonsens excepted if you goal is to play!

Bring an ArchPup with the same scope of applications as an usual Puppy, and it will literally explode in size!


The only one interesting possible use of ArchPup is to make it able to react extremely fast (but perhaps not universal) as your first ArchPup were! Hm fast? Ok, as long you don't need to print out the doc you did process with it!

You don't realize the importance of time loose today...

Sorry

Good luck to your work but I am afraid the user will fast understand, that you are a good coder but a bad system designer.

Kind regards
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simargl

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 17:27    Post_subject:  

Did you, by any change bother, to read the first post? No, I guess not.
oui wrote:
You don't realize the importance of time loose today...

If you are too lazy to add one entry in the openbox menu, I can only suggest you try to read more and write less.
That can also save time Wink , thing you mention so much
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simargl

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 13:18    Post_subject:  

To fix problem with starting cups daemon as known issue in the latest release, I will make 13.2.2 version earlier than firstly planned.
There are already some packages updates as mentioned in the first post, plus new firefox will be released on
19.02.2013 See Release Calendar http://www.soeren-hentzschel.at/firefox-thunderbird-release-kalender/

Currently main changes are: resolved cups issue and pacman will by default use archpup custom repository
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 16:30    Post_subject:  

simargl wrote:
For cups, I checked that cups background service is running on start and that localhost:631 is accessible through web browser.

Can you confirm that, after a CUPS restart, the CUPS web interface is accessible at localhost:631?
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simargl

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 18:42    Post_subject:  

Yes I confirm that http://localhost:631/admin works, but with only http://localhost:631 it doesn't work.
It never worked from the beginning, and because I thought that is not very important issue never really tried to fix it.
If you have some suggestion which will eventually make this to work better, I can only add it...
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 20:48    Post_subject:  

@ rcrsn51,
Very glad to see you here. Honestly, cups has been a problem since the beginning of archpup Sad I even made mention of you here as someone who can help find a solution.

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 22:46    Post_subject:  

simargl wrote:
If you have some suggestion which will eventually make this to work better, I can only add it...

The folder /usr/share/doc/cups is missing.
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simargl

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 05:10    Post_subject:  

rcrsn51, smil99:
localhost:631 is now accessible, problem was my build script that removed every html file
If you want it here is link to cups help files, extract this archive to /usr/share/cups/doc
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-f8ac803a.html
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 08:33    Post_subject:  

Latest additions to archpup repository:
gtk3-minimal-3.6.4-3-i686.pkg.tar.xz
l3afpad-0.8.18.1.9-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz

For size differences see bellow
Quote:
[root@archpup ~]# pacman -S gtk3
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (11): at-spi2-atk-2.6.2-1 at-spi2-core-2.6.3-1 colord-0.1.28-1 dconf-0.14.1-1 js-1.8.5-3
lcms2-2.4-1 libgusb-0.1.4-1 nspr-4.9.4-1 polkit-0.109-1 shared-color-profiles-0.1.5-1
gtk3-3.6.4-1

Total Download Size: 15.07 MiB
Total Installed Size: 97.57 MiB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n] n
[root@archpup ~]# pacman -S gtk3-minimal
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (4): at-spi2-atk-2.6.2-1 at-spi2-core-2.6.3-1 dconf-0.14.1-1 gtk3-minimal-3.6.4-3

Total Download Size: 2.21 MiB
Total Installed Size: 10.95 MiB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

Now we can test some of the gtk3 applications Cool
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 09:35    Post_subject:  

simargl wrote:
localhost:631 is now accessible, problem was my build script that removed every html file

In your next build, you can save some space by deleting /usr/share/doc/cups/help.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:47    Post_subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
In your next build, you can save some space by deleting /usr/share/doc/cups/help.

Ok, I've done that and sfs is now 0.3MB smaller. Thanks.
Searching for all .html files shows only two of those are now present
Quote:
pup_ro2/usr/lib/grub4dos/grub4dosconfig.html
pup_ro2/usr/share/cups/doc/index.html
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:36    Post_subject:  

Sim,

These are just a few minor modifications i think you should consider.

the background, login.mp3, icons, and themes...should be moved from the main.sfs, into the adrv. and pwireless2 should be moved from main into archapps. that way, when it is said that, "archpup_132.sfs is the barebones solution and boots to tty" it would be 'completely' the truth...instead of mostly.

another thing, geany, simple-radio, spacefm, and viewnior should be moved from the adrv...into archapps sfs. this let's me be able to get rid of caja, mousepad, leafpad, wicd, lxtask, dolphin, etc...from the other adrvs, because the defaults are in archapps.

one last thing is, the menu entries 'Install ArchPup to USB or HDD' and the other two....are written to use specifically geany. So if the user decided they want to uninstall geany and install leafpad...those menu entries will no longer work. traditional puppy has the script /usr/local/bin/defaulttexteditor which executes the command:

Code:
exec geany "$@"


this file is easier to edit if the user decides they want to uninstall geany and use something different. the menu entries will continue to work by having the openbox menu.xml file execute the command:

Code:
defaulttexteditor /usr/share/archpup/doc/installation
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simargl

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:30    Post_subject:  

I understand your proposal, but also have to think about minimal iso image which comes without archapps sfs.
If I do all that, minimal iso would not have file manager, wireless connection program, or any text editor for reading help files.
So, pwireless must stay in adrv_openbox, but you can also add it to any other adrv - its size is extremely small (15KB),
because I made links in it to use system binaries

This needs more detailed examination for every item you suggested, in many things you are absolutely right...
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simargl

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 04:47    Post_subject:  

@stifiling,
These files are moved from main sfs to adrv_openbox:
background - default.jpg,
login.mp3,
Archpup (gtk2,gtk3, and openbox theme)
Clearlooks openbox theme, but gtk2 theme stays in archpup sfs
All other themes are removed
Will also remove faience icons theme from the archapps, it relies very much on faenza that is in adrv_openbox

Programs moved from adrv to archapps :
viewnior

Programs moved from adrv to main sfs :
nano
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