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Jean-Louis P

Joined: 23 Sep 2012
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2013, 13:10    Post subject:  

Hi all

I have two questions :

1) I have seen there is now an "audiophile linux" based on Linux Mint Debian. It happens I understand nothing about all these distros, there are more than people to support them. Hopefully we have the great and helpfull Idolse Idea Idea

http://www.ap-linux.com/about/

Seems very close to mpdpup, has someone tried ? Benefits / disadvantages for both systems ?

Dunno want to change, perfectly happy, but good to know "competition" Very Happy

2) Has someone had mpdpup running on cheap appliances eg Pogoplug (sales now around 40$, still less $ than used laptop ).

BR
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luisb

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013, 08:21    Post subject:  

Hi Jean Louis
From what i read it runs Pulse audio instead of Alsa and it has 1.5 Gb size. Never tried Pulse Audio, but there is alot of criticism about. There is not much information about network server use. 1.5 Gb size and a minimum of 2 Gb ram demands systems with more musle and i believe you cannot run it from ram, a big advantage, IMHO, of mpdpup. I prefer to charge mpdpup in ram and keep my settings wherever i like (usb stick). For the buffer questions i leave them to idolse, but i think you are right. I use wlowes ones and configure them in mpdwizard (can be done editing mpd.conf).
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jrling

Joined: 27 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013, 18:38    Post subject:  

luisb wrote:
Hi Jean Louis
From what i read it runs Pulse audio instead of Alsa and it has 1.5 Gb size. Never tried Pulse Audio, but there is alot of criticism about. There is not much information about network server use. 1.5 Gb size and a minimum of 2 Gb ram demands systems with more musle and i believe you cannot run it from ram, a big advantage, IMHO, of mpdpup. I prefer to charge mpdpup in ram and keep my settings wherever i like (usb stick). For the buffer questions i leave them to idolse, but i think you are right. I use wlowes ones and configure them in mpdwizard (can be done editing mpd.conf).
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I agree on both points!
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Jean-Louis P

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013, 19:13    Post subject:  

Jean-Louis P wrote:


1) I have seen there is now an "audiophile linux" based on Linux Mint Debian. It happens I understand nothing about all these distros, there are more than people to support them. Hopefully we have the great and helpfull Idolse Idea Idea

http://www.ap-linux.com/about/

Seems very close to mpdpup, has someone tried ? Benefits / disadvantages for both systems ?

Dunno want to change, perfectly happy, but good to know "competition" Very Happy
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OK thanks guys, so a good marketing man with a nice website but not necessarily outstanding distro. I am reassured Laughing

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2) Has someone had mpdpup running on cheap appliances eg Pogoplug (sales now around 40$, still less $ than used laptop ).


Any input about appliances with mpdpup ?
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luisb

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 06:08    Post subject:  

Jean Louis
I believe MPDPUP doesn't support arm arquitecture, see discussion about Raspberry Pi in the old thread.
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Mark van de Pas

Joined: 14 Feb 2013
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 09:00    Post subject: I tried ap-linux from USB stick  

Hi Jean Louis,

I ran AP-Linux with help of Linux live USB creator from an 8 Gb USB stick om my cMP-setup (this a hardware setup I inherited from this project: http://www.cicsmemoryplayer.com )
Since summer 2012 I run MPD-PUP on this hardware (with no DVD and no SSD connected and using Esi-Juli@ digital part only separately powered → Van den Hull Toslink → Lavry Black DA10 → Klein & Hummel O300) By now I'm ver familiar with the sound of MPD-PUP.

I ran AP-linux from usb stick using Alsa + Jack + Deadbeef.

The sound is very open, spacious from left too right with much details. It sounds very likeable. It has same sonic finger print as HQ-player on Linux, but the Sound quality is somewhat better. No need too buy HQ-player for that. IMHO.

Although being very likeable, I'm not sure if it is the real thing. It also has something artificial

From a theorical point I like the puppy concept better. MPD-PUP sounds very good too my ears too and MPD-PUP is A LOT easier too install.

Unfortunately test-driving MPD-PUP from a usb-stick with no NAS connected is very hard. Idolse should really optimise this. It's much too difficult too test-drive MPD-PUP from usb stick only. MPD-PUP could have a huge share of followers if only they could easy test-drive it and experience the very high sound quality coming from MPD-PUP.

Mark
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luisb

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013, 15:20    Post subject:  

Hi Mark van de pas
How much ram do you have in your Cics hardware setup? Did you tried HD music files with AP-linux? I see now pulse audio can be disabled and play with Alsa-Jack-Deadbeef, sorry about wrong information. I did test MPDPUP with usb stick only without any issues.
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Jean-Louis P

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 05:59    Post subject: Problem with mpdpup - attached HDD  

Hi Mark

Glad you joined and thanks for your opinion on mpdpup and AP-Linux. Maybe the two developpers should cooperate to develop a single branch still better Wink ( I have understood that Linux guys like to fork, dont Know if There is an antonym)

For your problem with directly attached HDD, maybe you should post again here and for sure Idolse or someone can give you some advice ?

Hi Luisb

Thank, I'll look in old thread to try understanding why mpdpup is not running on ARM platforms as it is so resources savvy

BR
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Mark van de Pas

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 07:13    Post subject:  

@luisb
* I run mpd-pup with 2Gb Ram (2 x 1Gb)
* I don´t use HD music files (can´t see why 192 files would be better)

@ Jean-Louis
Too my knowlegde MPD-pup is designed (default configuration) too run from USB-stick with music-files on a NAS. So, in my setup there is no HDD, no SSD nor a DVD. I use MPD-PUP without anything connected too the SATA-ports.

However, most people who want too test-drive MPD-PUP, have a computer with music files on a HDD/SSD..
Therefore test-driving MPD-PUP from a USB stick (with some music files on the USB stick or on the internal HDD/SSD) should be easy. Over at the audioasylum, me and some other inmates tried too test-drive MPD-PUP (with music on USB-stick or HDD/SSD): no body succeeded. It was too difficult. So once again on the audioasylum there was the opinion: “Linux is for geeks and is notoriously user unfriendly.” This is a pity as MPD-pup sounds really good and also Idolse is doing himself short. Much, much more people would enjoy Idolse´s work, if test-driving from USB-stick (without a NAS but with music files on USB-stick or HDD/SSD) would be much more easy. One a novice has heart end enjoyed the very nice sound quality from MPD-PUP, by test-driving, than a novice is willing too go too the trouble of buying a NAS, setup a home-network and install MPD-pup and clients for remote control. This is a lot of work for a novice. The motivation for going through all this work and trouble, comes from first having heard the good sound quality of MPD-PUP through A SIMPLE (!) test-drive from USB-stick.

Mark
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jrling

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 09:58    Post subject: Re: Problem with mpdpup - attached HDD  

Jean-Louis P wrote:
Hi Mark

Thank, I'll look in old thread to try understanding why mpdpup is not running on ARM platforms as it is so resources savvy

BR


I think that I can definitively say that the only reason that lodlse has not released an ARM version of mpdPup is that it is a lot of work to port the code and that he is still developing the Intel code - all in his spare time for no reward let's not forget. I am sure it could be done though.

Like you I would be keen to be able to run it on the excellent cheap but effective ARM SoC boards out there (running on battery power in my case) like Beagle, Raspberry Pi or Olimex to name but three. And I am sure it would be a winner in sound quality. In the meantime, I am loving the results I am getting from the Intel mpdPup.
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jrling

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 10:04    Post subject:
Subject description: Test Driving mpdPup
 

Mark van de Pas wrote:
@luisb
* I run mpd-pup with 2Gb Ram (2 x 1Gb)
* I don´t use HD music files (can´t see why 192 files would be better)

@ Jean-Louis
Too my knowlegde MPD-pup is designed (default configuration) too run from USB-stick with music-files on a NAS. So, in my setup there is no HDD, no SSD nor a DVD. I use MPD-PUP without anything connected too the SATA-ports.

However, most people who want too test-drive MPD-PUP, have a computer with music files on a HDD/SSD..
Therefore test-driving MPD-PUP from a USB stick (with some music files on the USB stick or on the internal HDD/SSD) should be easy. Over at the audioasylum, me and some other inmates tried too test-drive MPD-PUP (with music on USB-stick or HDD/SSD): no body succeeded. It was too difficult. So once again on the audioasylum there was the opinion: “Linux is for geeks and is notoriously user unfriendly.” This is a pity as MPD-pup sounds really good and also Idolse is doing himself short. Much, much more people would enjoy Idolse´s work, if test-driving from USB-stick (without a NAS but with music files on USB-stick or HDD/SSD) would be much more easy. One a novice has heart end enjoyed the very nice sound quality from MPD-PUP, by test-driving, than a novice is willing too go too the trouble of buying a NAS, setup a home-network and install MPD-pup and clients for remote control. This is a lot of work for a novice. The motivation for going through all this work and trouble, comes from first having heard the good sound quality of MPD-PUP through A SIMPLE (!) test-drive from USB-stick.

Mark

I don't know why you and your friends failed. The wizard with 0.9.3 release was much improved for local storage configuration.

Personally, like you, I wanted a simple easy way of test driving mpdPup; I put some favourite tracks on the boot USB stick and it worked beautifully. Having heard such good results from the test, I then ran the wizard again and put my music on local C:drive (SSD) with no issues.

I am not a programmer. Clearly mpdPup is not plug 'n play, but the results are worth the slight amount of knowledge and application required to do Linux. Windows certainly has a good and easy UI, but the SQ is way less good. I know having tried to tweak Windows 7/Foobar extensively and it was no match for mpdPup.

No worries - 'horses for courses' as they say.
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kocozze

Joined: 07 Nov 2012
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 11:01    Post subject: problem on sony vaio with mpdpup  

Good evening, sorry for my english.
I started mpdpup 0.9.3 on sony vaio laptot and i have two problems:
1- the internal sound card of laptot start at every boot with the volume at maximum (the speaker put out an annoyng noise), and when i set volume to 0 in alsa mixer, i set the correct audio device (hiface) and reboot, it's all as before!
There's a way to disable completly and finally the internal sound card? In bios there's no way to do this.
2 - Although I set the correct path to music folder (an external hd usb), mpd says "failed to start directory....:no such file or directory" "failed to load database: failed to open database file....no such file or directory", "database: could'nt start parent directory of db file ... no such file or directory"
On another laptot (an acer aspire) all was right!

Can you help me? Rolling Eyes
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luisb

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 13:14    Post subject:  

@Mark van de Pas
There is a lot of discussion about HD files, some even say they can kill you with the proper gear Laughing . Some are very technical and beyond my knowledge. What appeals to me is the claim they are master tapes without downsampling needed to meet cd standards (pros and cons). I have a few of linn music files and sound quality is very good.
Idolse has helped alot of us here, maybe he is the right person to ask why it doesn't work for you.
Jerling is right, it's not a plug and play windows fashion but, we diyers think it's more fun that way and we don't have to pay royalties for something someone thinks it's best for you.
Happy listening
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kocozze

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 19:34    Post subject:  

...anyone? Very Happy
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PET-240

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2013, 22:24    Post subject:
Subject description: DSD Files
 

Hey Idolse,

Quick question, looking to use the Amanero as a USB output device, this is capable to pass DSD and am reading that the 0.17 can pass DSD over PCM, according to here anyways [url]://slimnet.home.xs4all.nl/mytek/[/url]
Just thought I'd ask the question.
Thanks for all your efforts,

Drew
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