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How to Make a Bootable Flash Drive using ISObooter
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nooby

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 10:25    Post subject:  

I have slitaz and Zorin on a 1GB but I have Pearl on a 2GB
and embarrassingly I failed to remember to change the map
thing and it booted nevertheless. It does allow me to edit and
same a html file on the HD despite me booted from usb?

Is that normal for a Ubuntu style OS they usally want su or sudo?

Within an hour or so I will try two different Fedora
and Opensuse and a few others. Now back to the laundry

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 10:31    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
I have Pearl on a 2GB and embarrassingly I failed to remember to change the map thing and it booted nevertheless.

Are you using the latest version of ISObooter?

It now automatically inserts the "--heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0" code with all ISOs.

Open the menu.lst file in a text editor to check this.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:31    Post subject:  

Yes now that I took home the even more latest
then it actually do add that text

OpenSuse, Fedora and PCLinuxOS booted but none of them
had adobe flash so will not keep them I am choosy that way.
Youtube a must for me.

ProteusOS, ZorinOS, CrunchbangOS, PureOS all these do have Flash for Youtube. netrunner maybe too but have not tested latest.
Some have Firefox and others have Chrome as browser.
What else can I test Smile So may to chose from

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 11:37    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
I guess I should download the isobooter and try again?

Yes. The version posted right now has this feature.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:59    Post subject: Re: the RAM based sda4  

rcrsn51 wrote:
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Is this ro mount suppose to hang around during the life of system operation? Is it required or merely an aid in booting?

Yes and Yes. But Postfs1 pointed out that this "feature" could have another use. It would be handy to have the ISO already unpacked if you wanted to do a remaster.
Yeah, I could see that use, but, I been monitoring the system for any other use upon desktop arrival, and I cannot see any. I do understand the boot benefit. After boot, I wonder if the RAM that is tied up could be better used.

I'll delete and see, if there are any obvious detrimental hazards.

Here to help

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:05    Post subject: Re: the RAM based sda4  

gcmartin wrote:
After boot, I wonder if the RAM that is tied up could be better used.

Sdb4 is just an entry in the partition table. Puppy detects it because it is part of the USB drive. But there is no significant RAM used by its existence.

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I'll delete and see, if there are any obvious detrimental hazards.

Are you planning to do this through Gparted?
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:49    Post subject: Re: the RAM based sda4  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Are you planning to do this through Gparted?
Check for PM.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 15:22    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 I wrote a comment on trueriver thread here?

How to multi-boot Puppy and other Linuxes on same USB
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84314

I have now read it and it is way too complicated for me to use
but I got curious on the check of a site it does on internet.

Does your Isobooter also look up things on internet and
would bark loud or not work if my LAN are not there?

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 16:58    Post subject: Re: bootin on old pc without usb support?
Subject description: quick question
 

pacer106 wrote:
does this method of booting from a usb flash stick work on a pc that does not support booting from a usb device?

i really am interested in figuring out how to boot from my usb key on a few old boxes that dont have cd drive or floppy drive.

thanks in advance Smile


Hi

apologies if my suggestion has alread been posted: I have had a quick scan through the thread but may have missed something.

If you have a bootable USB key, you can often boot that on a computer that boots Linux even if you do not have bios support.

The trick is to put the relevant stanzas into the boot config on that machine, so that the machine's internal bootloader chainloads the MBR of the USB stick. That way the BIOS boots what it knows, and the installed bootloader does the next step.

If your internal hard drive boots using grub2 I can't help you with the exact commands (I only know legacy grub and grub4dos) but I do know it is possible. Sometimes the BIOS is unpredictable about what to call the usb stick and you have to include several stanzas, one for each possibility.

Sorry, I can't help you with the details but I hope this idea gets you started

Of course it won't help at all if the internal HDD has died...

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 17:13    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
So what other Linux OS should I try?


Do try WattOS. It is an Ubuntu derived version that is smaller than Ubuntu and good for older machines. It has some innovations that Puppy does not.

(for example it uses a compressed swap device residing entirely in memory - so when you swap out 4Mb it compresses into say 2Mb and there is a net gain of 2Mb -- this is faster in practice than using a swap partition on a USB stick as the compression is faster than a flash write -- and it does not wear out your drive).

It uses the Ubuntu repositories directly (ie through Synaptic/apt/dpkg) which for some people adds the advantage of familiarity.

It is faster than Puppy some of the time, but on balance probably slower than Puppy more often.

Overall it is definitely not as compact as Puppy, though, and I have not yet discovered how to do peristence from the iso.

Just a thought. I won't be offended if you hate it
River~~
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 17:24    Post subject:  

I will give it a try.

If you have the time would be cool to read your experience
if you test out what rcrsn51 set up with his IsoBoot which to me
is much easier than both Easy2Boot and your manual method
but that could be my Nooby way to see it so could you compare?

I gave link to it somewhere. or check my profile and my other posts
and you find it very easily.

I am using watts now that one works good so thanks for encouraging
me to try it out. Much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2013, 13:17    Post subject:  

A hasty report. Most or all of the Ubuntu derivatives
works best using this method. Even some Debians
seems to allow what Ubuntu allow. To edit HTML files
and to save them and to download a Puppy file
from Murga onto the HD. Usually such would require sudo
or similar trick.

but some OS fail to mount the HD. Not permitted it says.

Manjaro seems to be such a OS but it could be me
that fail to do it right.

Manjaro seems to allow root so maybe one should
open up Terminal and write root and then password
manjaro and then it allow to reach the HD but I am
too lazy to find out. So if some of you get curious
do test it.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Feb 2013, 14:18    Post subject:  

Using ISObooter in other Linuxes

This is a variation of ISObooter that can be used by other Linuxes to create bootable flash drives of Puppy. It also works with any Puppy whose file manager does not allow clickable scripts.

Part A:

You must be able to start a terminal inside a folder. Locate this feature by right-clicking, or look in the Tools menu of your file manager. If your Linux uses the Nautilus file manager, install nautilus-open-terminal_0.18-1+b1_i386.deb from here. It may require a restart to work.

Part B:

Some ISObooter software must be installed into your Linux. You only need to do this once.

1. Download isobooter_other.tar.gz into your home directory.

2. Click on it and extract the contents. It contains a folder named isobooter_other

3. Open this folder and start a terminal.

4. Run the command
Code:
sudo cp -r usr /

Part C:

To set up a bootable flash drive, you will use the same procedure as with the Puppy version, except that the isobooter script is NOT clickable. You do NOT need to copy it onto the flash drive - it was installed to your hard drive in Part B.

1. If necessary, run Gparted and format your flash drive as FAT32. Set the boot flag.

2. Mount the flash drive and start a terminal inside.

3. Run
Code:
sudo isobooter

4. Continue the setup using the Puppy instructions.

Testers are welcome. Please provide feedback.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Feb 2013, 21:16    Post subject:  

Hi again, Rok

I am joining this thread, too.

Sorry, but I am a little confused. You wrote:

Quote:
The new ISObooter method is much simpler than the original GRUB2 method. 

But please use it on a USB drive. The hard drive method requires a separate partition, and I don't think that you have one. 

1. Plug in your USB drive. 

2. Run Gparted from the System menu. Select your USB drive. 

3. Right-click on the current partition and reformat it to FAT32. 

4. Right-click again and set the Boot flag. 

Then follow the steps for ISObooter.


Question:

If I am running Puppeee on one pendrive, and want to install a different distro onto another pendrive, then I will have to have three pendrives plugged into my computer, is that right? (You said to put ISObooter onto a separate USB drive.)

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Feb 2013, 21:25    Post subject:  

No. Two pen drives. The one you are currently booting from and the one you are setting up with ISObooter.

ISObooter is ONE file. It goes on the pen drive you are setting up.
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