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davids45


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 07:02    Post subject: My apologies to pemasu
Subject description: My gs problem self-inflicted
 

G'day pemasu,

Thank you for looking into my ghostscript version 'problem'.

Checking my Frugal Pups (54x7 & 3.7.2), I found they do have the gs version you said (8.15.4).
But in my Full Pup installs, I found the problem gs-8.64 (console: gs -version) and checking the pets I had installed, one of my pets has this ghostscript in it and has overwritten the original OK gs with gs-8.64. Embarassed

So I must now fix this pet of mine Rolling Eyes .

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:08    Post subject:  

Aarf brought to our attention that intel atom cpu`s with certain onboard intel gma graphics benefit from the gma500_gfx.ko kernel module

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Posted on 13 Jan 2013, 19:12 by aarf
precise for asus 1025c
at last a precise that boots
http://puppylinux.info/topic/upup-precise-372-with-kernel-372-no-pae#post-5478 by pemasu

Posted on 13 Jan 2013, 20:07 by aarf
full lsmod at http://puppylinux.info/topic/upup-precise-372-with-kernel-372-no-pae#post-5478

Posted on 13 Jan 2013, 21:19 by pemasu
Intel atom and cedarview graphics
Upup Precise with non pae 3.7.2 provides gma500_gfx.ko kernel module graphics driver...for certain intel atom cpu with onboard gma graphics.

Aarf has found that this new kernel module is useful.

More info here...tests in Slacko builds, thread by Tempestuous:
http://208.109.22.214/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=83636&sid=f11aa2b33de240dfec762938825d2088

Posted on 13 Jan 2013, 21:34 by pemasu
Continuing of cedarview graphics
After using gma500_gfx.ko kernel module it would be necessary to intall cedarview xorg libs also:
Use PPM and install all cedarview .debs, three of them:cedarview-drm libva-cedarview-vaapi-driver cedarview-graphics-drivers

Of course I am not sure if all those are needed. Next step might be to go the console state and run xorgwizard > Probe and restart xwin.
And hope the best.


I decided to try to create a pet of the needed xorg graphics libs. It makes easier to test the intel cedarview gma graphics.
Link to the pet: http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/pet_packages-upup/cedarview-graphics-libs-0.0.1.pet

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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:44    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:


That firefox pet has been created using Tman`s technique and it was provided by 666philb. I did try to upload it for compatilibity. In the future, it might be possible that quickpet uses upup repo. So...I tried to upload quickpet offerings to the upup repo, instead of need to use hosting services.

Firefox-18.pet had flaw. It didnt create firefox symlink to the /usr/bin. Fixed now. It asks if Firefox will be the defaultbrowser and updates /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser if wanted.

It does not presume that Firefox has been previously installed.

Maybe I did upload wrong Firefox pet. I just dont understand how.
Anyway....Firefox-18.pet has been updated in upup repo.
There is canonical Firefox-18 in ubuntu repos. Just use PPM. It wont autoupdate, I believe.
...............


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Being a complete noob, I wonder why hardly anybody has been paying attention to the APT-GET derivative with Synaptic and I think an undeb thing from genious Jejy.

(Has also some other package helpers ..)

However it is on the french forum but I would think that the TEST iso would speak for itself to testers ? He is not going to add it to his "next".

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82708


I presumed that this deriv' might greatly facilitate the "pet making" ?

2.
In what way does this Upup differ from BK's original ?

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:59    Post subject:  

1. apt? that crappy cli pkg manager from ubuntu? Does puppy need it? I say no, but lxpup still is decent overall despite the bloat of apt.

2. Newer gtkdialog, better hardware support, has pmusic3 i think (I hate aqualung), newer kernel, no pae (netbooks don't overheat or overheat so quickly on non-pae kernels), and just better overall.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 13:28    Post subject:  

hi pemasu,

i've updated quickpet_precise, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=83642

i've added your browsers, an update button, and packaged a new vlc without QT included that works with your qt package. Still not sure if this will cause problems with the PPM ... we'll see

cheers

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 13:59    Post subject:  

Hello Pemasu,

Thanks for all your hard work with Upup Precise.

In the case of all Precise Puppies the fresh Live CD does not boot to a satisfactory desktop on my machine with a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 card because it tries to load the nouveau driver which gives blank menus and other missing graphics. There are solutions (xorg wizard sometimes finds a driver and resolution that works or I can install an Nvidia driver) but I am thinking of the new or inexperienced user and I wonder if there is a way of fixing the initial boot condition.

Just testing 3.7.2 now and trying to install the Nvidia driver from the website (which worked with 5.4.X.7 yesterday) and am getting this error from the Nvidia installer:-

Code:
ERROR: The kernel header file
'/lib/modules/3.7.2-upup/build/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/lib/modules/3.7.2-upup/build' have not been configured.


Hope that helps. By the way, the Nvidia driver in the repo is too new for this card. Any chance of some older ones? The one I have to install is 173.14.36

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pemasu


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 14:04    Post subject:  

OscarTalks. I have traced that problem. There is now need for one extra symlink inside kernel source. I will update the source soon.
The quick fix is to create the symlink manually in console:
Code:
ln -s /lib/modules/3.7.2-upup/build/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h /lib/modules/3.7.2-upup/build/include/linux/version.h


The best solution would be to use nv kernel module and nv xorg driver, but....ubuntu has not managed to create working nv xorg driver, so the nv kernel module is not usable.

So...there is left nouveau and vesa. About older nvidia drivers. I dont have any nvidia cards so...it is not easy to test them. I learned to compile nvidia drivers without existing card, but I think capable compilers can do that much easily with card in place.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 15:00    Post subject:  

Hi pemasu,

On the face of it, looks like another 'cool running' build. My eeepc has been on for more than a couple hours, loaded with this release and it remains cool. Almost cold, I would say. Cooler than dpup Exprimo 3.6.2, I'm afraid, which lately is being used as my daily OS (fan control solved, BTW). As is my habit, on the first boot I rush to see the video section of the xorg log. This one perhaps is the best I've seen. It's not that the Intel driver is being correctly picked up on the first boot - all the latest pups do that. The log here shows more features are enabled automatically from the get-go. Them new kernels are getting better by the day . . .
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 15:08    Post subject:  

666philb. Thanks. I will post to your quickpet thread soon. Vlc-2.0.5 has been uploaded to upup repo now.

OscarTalks. Kernel sources sfs has been reuploaded. It has now that missing ( new feature ) symlink. That symlink kind need was also the reason that I had to modify the kernel buildind build.sh script for aufs.

No wonder it popped up with graphics driver compiling. So...it is best that the symlink is in the kernel sources sfs straight.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 15:14    Post subject:  

Possibly of interest.

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Nouveau-Becomes-NVIDIA-s-New-Standard-Driver
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 15:26    Post subject:  

01micko and I have done a lot of testing with Nvidia graphics chips and he concluded that "nouveau" is most compatible with more hardware.
Personally I have several Nvidia chips......7050/630a ,7025/630a , Riva TNT 2 , MX400 , MX 4000 , 6200 and 8400 ....."nouveau" works on all while "nv" and "vesa" works on some while sometimes just booting to a black screen.

Also, in case someone doesn't know, Nvidia has dropped official support for the older 71.xxxx and 96.xxxx drivers. There goes support for my older cards. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 16:25    Post subject:  

James C. Thanks for more profound info about nouveau and nvidia.

What I meant was that if the nouveau does not work ie is not compatible, then best solution would be distro included nv kernel module and xorg driver. There is though that need of blacklisting the existing nouveau kernel module first.

I am more than happy if one kernel module handles most of the manufacturer cards.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 16:37    Post subject:  

In my testing, nouveau out performs nvidia-73 and 96 any way.

I'm looking forward to mesa-9.1 and kernel 3.8 when a lot of nouveau/radeon KMS mess is sorted out (so they say).

The most problematic nvidia is for sure the gforce-5200, I did have one years ago and wish I still did. I know Drblock2 had complaints but was happy with the 173 proprietary driver, Installs ok, check my pinstall.sh out for that one, It integrates with the stuff I sent upstream for xorgwizard. I did see exactly the same complaint recently by a newbie with the same card.I'll be surprised if the devs haven't got it fixed for mesa-9.1 as these were popular.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 17:42    Post subject:  

Moving right along to an old Intel box......all looking good so far.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Precise, version 3.7.2

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse record

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.803 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.148 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.143 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.144 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.144 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 2592MB (173MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 13 Jan 2013 03:43:41 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       2592572       591136      2001436            0        64064
-/+ buffers:             527072      2065500
Swap:      4198396            0      4198396
#
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 18:33    Post subject:  

Initial boot works fine here on my compaq-cq60 laptop,

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Precise, version 3.7.2

Chip description:
Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1366x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: synaptics dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse record synaptics

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video


It's known as 'cantiga' graphics chip. Works ok, acceleration is ok.

Sound is fine

Connected ok with frisbee but it still has issues with taking a long time to refresh the gui. Sits there empty for 10 seconds then shows the access points, then when choosing an AP and connecting it sits again empty for 10 (roughly) seconds. Also, the splash appears anywhere it seems, I know rerwin changed this but I think it needs to be changed back, the splashes are better off at the top. I wish I could hack true yaf-splash to support UTF-8!

Nice job, I'll keep it on my usb stick (triple boot upup,slacko,lina-lite) for this lappy.

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