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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 02:33    Post subject:  

i'd like to start working on some of those isos. an XFCE one. i'd also like simargl to link to it and advertise it in the first post, so what do u think OP?
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James C


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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 02:55    Post subject:  

Finally did a fresh frugal install of 12.12.1 ........ display,internet and sound all working and correct on initial boot.Using the Archapps sfs as well....... no problems there.
Failed making a savefile on first attempt so I just manually added it.
Everything working and no drama so short report. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 03:51    Post subject:  

ciento wrote:
It can't find Arch12.12.sfs, which is there, on the disk, and in the root partitions. It hits the prompt quickly, while looking for puppy files.
What is the name and size of default savefile?

Hi, new main sfs name is archpup-12.12.sfs, old one was archpup-1212.sfs, so if you don't replace old initrd.gz, it will fail while searching for old file name.
James C wrote:
Finally did a fresh frugal install of 12.12.1 ........ display,internet and sound all working and correct on initial boot.Using the Archapps sfs as well....... no problems there.
Failed making a savefile on first attempt so I just manually added it.
Everything working and no drama so short report. Smile

Thanks for your comment, I'm glad that everything works Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 04:07    Post subject:  

stifiling: I like your idea of having different isos for all kind of users from beginners to experts, but for now better stick to only two:
- Archpup Light Apps iso (w/main.sfs and light DE.sfs for intermediates)
- Archpup Medium Apps iso (w/main.sfs and medium DE.sfs for intermediates and beginners)
I will make first one, and you if you want or any other interested user, could make that bigger iso, with xfce, lxde or whatever you like, perhaps you could use archapps as source. Archapps sfs size is 67 mb, goal for that file was not to reduce size, but to add all applications I use regularly - otherwise qt4, package with 28mb would not be there.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 04:09    Post subject:  

I made new iso with linux-firware, relaced urxvt with lxterminal, recompiled thunar with static xfce libs, removed some themes, moved /usr/lib/python2.7 to arch-dev
- now size is 82.8 MB. Will try so find something more, also I want to change user interface, move tint2 to bottom change conky look, themes...

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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 04:12    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
stifiling: I like your idea of having different isos for all kind of users from beginners to experts, but for now better stick to only two:
- Archpup Light Apps iso (w/main.sfs and light DE.sfs for intermediates)
- Archpup Medium Apps iso (w/main.sfs and medium DE.sfs for intermediates and beginners)
I will make first one, and you if you want or any other interested user, could make that bigger iso, with xfce, lxde or whatever you like, perhaps you could use archapps as source. Archapps sfs size is 67 mb, goal for that file was not to reduce size, but to add all applications I use regularly - otherwise qt4, package with 28mb would not be there.


OMG!!! TY! TY! TY! Dude!!!!! ok sounds good.
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 07:44    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

The challenge will be in these 80 MB to strike the perfect mix of "adequate functionality" and this "adequate functionality" to be widely accepted as adequate. Not just by experts and tinkerers.

I am no expert, guess that makes me a tinkerer. Very Happy

I feel no need to uninstall stuff from the main sfs I merely wanted to know how to handle dependency conflicts when sfs with those dependencies are unloaded.

For me iso size is not a big deal, 100 or 150mb, no difference.

I'd go for making main iso work out of the box with wireless and firmware
and so on

I agree with "maverick" mavrothal

mavrothal wrote:

If the idea is that the base can be just used to build the system of your preference through pacman, then the wider possible hardware compatibility should be in the base. ie, video, audio, network, printing and peripherals drivers.
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Not only boot to terminal, that is to scary.
openbox is fine.

I personally like to have a lot of stuff in sfs files and not in savefile.
But I dont like bloated sfs mixed with stuff I never use. Perfect for beginners and I can happily report I passed that stage. Very Happy

Thats why I like makesfs script. You can very easy, gorgeously easy,
tailor make your own.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 08:02    Post subject:  

I replaced geany with mousepad, that redused iso size to 82.2 MB. Also downloaded slitaz iso to compare folder /usr/lib/gconv in ArchPup vs slitaz - and they are very different.
    /usr/lib/gconv
    ArchPup: 253 files - 5.9 MB
    slitaz: 6 files - 107 KB
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 08:25    Post subject:  

Scooby wrote:
Not only boot to terminal, that is to scary.


it may be scary to some but to others like me, i know which terminal, window manager, editor, etc. are my favorites. i like clean as a whistle because i know all the apps i want, to dirty it up. i don't want any extras. i don't want preloaded stuff that i have to figure out how to get it out. which is why Arch Linux, is preferred by so many.

i like to load to tty, and install XFCE.
i do not like to load to openbox, install XFCE, and figure out how to get rid of openbox.

so this distro has everything that's needed to easily appeal to Arch Linux users, (who likes to start with nothing but a 'base') puppy linux users, and Ubuntu users (who like it full of apps and ready to go).
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 13:37    Post subject:  

I guess a barebones version is possible for the tinkerers. BTW Puppy ES uses Openbox and Tint2, looks smart http://puppylinux.org/wikka/es_Puppy-es

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Scooby

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 13:54    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:
i like clean as a whistle because i know all the apps i want, to dirty it up. i don't want any extras. i don't want preloaded stuff that i have to figure out how to get it out.
...
i like to load to tty


If tty then

An extremely easy and well made tutorial with images and kindergarten instructions should be made

Else

Headache!

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 14:56    Post subject: makepfile patch  

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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 16:06    Post subject:  

Scooby wrote:
If tty then

An extremely easy and well made tutorial with images and kindergarten instructions should be made

Else

Headache!

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Let's not get nasty now...

Arch Linux = More Users than Puppy
Arch Linux loads to tty prompt.

I think u're misunderstanding the idea anyhow.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 16:32    Post subject:  

I applied your patch, tested with frugal install on usb flash inside folder Arch, created ext4 savefile, it works OK... Thanks Cool Also, good news is that I managed to reduce iso size more than I thought its possible, size is now 78 mb, only by removing files from /usr/lib/gconv and /usr/share/i18n/charmaps. To do this, I downloaded puppy precise iso, and edited script that creates archpup-12.12.sfs, to remove all files from these two directories that were in archpup, but not in precise.
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2013, 16:48    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:

I think u're misunderstanding the idea anyhow.


why dont you explain it then?

whose idea anyway? your personal or simargls?

But its okay for me, You go ahead and make wot you like.
Some other folks will just sample you and put up a new puppy version
of archpup then that suits a beginners requirements.

Isnt this the lesson of Puppy and linux history? The solution is yet another distro?
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