Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Fri 24 Oct 2014, 04:08
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Derivatives
ArchPup 12.12.2
Moderators: Flash, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 12 of 31 [461 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, ..., 29, 30, 31 Next
Author Message
minoshi

Joined: 04 Jan 2013
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:52    Post subject:  

to stifiling :
Thank you very much!
I got bug report about this error, but could not fix by my self.
Good job!

to simargl:
Is there way to install archpup?

BTW: I developer of pacmanXG :)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
simargl
Guest


PostPosted: Fri 04 Jan 2013, 13:45    Post subject:  

Thank you for pacmanXG, it's perfect, only 1.5MB but still very usefull. For installation guide follow this link
https://bitbucket.org/simargl/def-scripts/raw/862d14adc01d69669c616d48d9763552d61fc612/archpup-doc/installation
Back to top
oui

Joined: 20 May 2005
Posts: 2096
Location: near Woof (Germany) :-) Acer Laptop emachines 2 GB RAM AMD64. franco-/germanophone, +/- anglophone

PostPosted: Fri 04 Jan 2013, 17:39    Post subject:  

Hi simargl

I would recommend to prefer Grub2 (it is certainly possible to install its installer without pain in Arch and uninstall that installer after use Wink, after grub2 itself is really installed on the HD - ArchPup would be one of the first, perhaps the first Puppy using Grub2 Laughing !) as Grub2 really can more and is more compatible with the future development of free Linux! Grub ist GNU (sorry, we have not enough GNU at Puppy, no free kernel, no Icecat! Only by me! I am using Icecat with Archpup Idea ! I did see that in the past in in the puplet Insidious Pup! It was the Debian version of Icecat, Iceweasel. But just at this time I am always searching a way to shrink Icedtea and Gnash to make them really usable in Puppy or other small Linux, and make them really free Linux without any not free code!).

A good tutorial would need to describe
- the way to install the grub2 installer (on my PC, grub2 were preinstalled from Nutyx, the LFS-derivate automatic build!)
- the way to install grub with the grub installer
- the way to uninstall the installer after use (easy: restart without save file and without remastering Wink ; forget it !)
- how to install a grub screen background to make ArchPup more beautiful than usual Puplets Wink
- the info that Grub2 includes differently from Grub legacy a commando line interpreter and can also start without correct start script if some one knows how to do it Idea
- the minimal startscript, it is /boot/grub/grub.cfg in the right partition where grub is actually really installed (as the most bad distributions, ubuntu included or better ubuntu as first, erase like wild bandits that, what precedent installations did install Idea) needed to start ArchPup.

I did never start ArchPup from CD but always as usual in Puppy if using Grub2:

Quote:
# Begin grub.cfg
# By default boot the first menu entry.
set default 0
set grub_gfx=auto
# Allow 5 seconds before booting the default.
set timeout 5
set color_highlight=blue/white
set color_normal=cyan/black
set gfxpayload=1024x768x16

menuentry "archpup (on /dev/sda5)" {
set root='(hd0,5)'
linux /archpup/vmlinuz pdev1=sda5 psubdir=archpup
initrd /archpup/initrd.gz
}


(I have actually only 3 partitions:

sda1 = swap
sda2 = extended, and within sda5 ext4 (as ext4 chkdsk ist really a lot more fast if needed and ext4 is as compact as ext3. But you can't use very old Puppys, they are not compatible with ext4!)
sda5 = absolutely all my stuff Wink !

so I am free to make more partitions (primaries as well as a lot of logical ones) on the fly if I need it (shrinking the back part of sda5/sda2! this need one of both CD start or start from out a little primary partition like a sda3 with label "boot" with a little puppy in it, as the nothing as to be mounted in the extended sda2 to shrink it!), but I don't need that any more...

actually, all is Puppy (or Windows 95, yes Windows 95, starting in qemu Wink out sda5) eventually with wine (but rarely now as windows 95 can do a lot and is fast in Puppy with modern generation's processors. about as fast like native Windows 95 at the time of 8086 until i486 Wink)!

bye
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Fri 04 Jan 2013, 21:33    Post subject: Archpup DE+ Screenshots  

I wanted the users to have a visual of 'some' of Archpup's capabilities:

Archpup w/KDE Desktop|yakuake dropdown terminal|dolphin


Archpup w/Mate Desktop|terminator|wicd


Archpup w/XFCE4 Desktop|pulseaudio|blueman


Archpup w/E17 Deskop|xbmc


Archpup w/LXDE Desktop|chromium


Archpup w/Awesome Window Manager
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
mavrothal


Joined: 24 Aug 2009
Posts: 1698

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 04:21    Post subject: Re: Archpup DE+ Screenshots  

stifiling wrote:
I wanted the users to have a visual of 'some' of Archpup's capabilities:


Very nice Very Happy
Any sense how much faster/smaller/resource-frugal they are overall in ArchPup versus Arch linux?

_________________
Kids all over the world go around with an XO laptop. They deserve one puppy (or many) too Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 05:47    Post subject:  

i jus scrapped my arch linux installation a cpl days ago. would've been able to give a more accurate comparison had i not done that.

but archpup is noticeably faster than arch linux. running and naturally using the same apps on both systems...
archpup ram = 200-250
arch linux = 300-350 (if i'm remembering right, that's abt correct or more)

at boot time with the same start up apps:
archpup cpu = 4/5%
arch linux = 8/9%

that's abt the best i can remember. this machine is a p4, 1g ram, 64mb video nvidia. so with those specs, the difference in speed is noticeable. more than just a little noticeable too.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 06:16    Post subject:  

@mavrothal

I wanted to ask you too....that 2.6.35 kernel u're using...could i just pull it out of XOpup..and slam it into archpup and it works? or is it tweaked specifically for the targeted device?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
mavrothal


Joined: 24 Aug 2009
Posts: 1698

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 08:13    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:
@mavrothal

I wanted to ask you too....that 2.6.35 kernel u're using...could i just pull it out of XOpup..and slam it into archpup and it works? or is it tweaked specifically for the targeted device?

No. Is only for the XO-1 and XO-1.5 laptops.
The latest official OLPC fedora version runs 3.3 but I find 2.6.35 way more mature for the hardware. Could not see any issues in userspace running the latest versions of Fedora, Ubuntu etc, either.
Makes you wander all this race for the latest...

_________________
Kids all over the world go around with an XO laptop. They deserve one puppy (or many) too Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Scooby

Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 319

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 14:54    Post subject: Re: Archpup DE+ Screenshots  

stifiling wrote:
I wanted the users to have a visual of 'some' of Archpup's capabilities:


How did you run for example xmbc?

Guess I have to try for me self but a hint would be nice.

*EDIT*
I just love the makesfs script. It is beautyful.

I tried Xfce - fine

Then I tried xbmc - fine to a point

I started it from .xinitrc but now I cannot revert back to original
When I powered off xbmc wouldnt start again

Is there a way to edit .xinitrc maybe during boot? how to stop autologin?
Or do I have to use squashtools?

Stifling when I study your picture of xbmc you seem to run it as an application, maybe this is better?

Last edited by Scooby on Sat 05 Jan 2013, 17:34; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Scooby

Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 319

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 15:36    Post subject: PAcmanXG  

I still had to do update-ca-certificates and pacman -Syu in terminal
for pacmanxg to work.

Or have I missunderstood?

When downloading package and dependencies in pacmanxg window
I get a very garbled view, anyone else?

Many times to press "yes" when installing a package. I miss packer
Luckily it could be installed with pacmanXG Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
oui

Joined: 20 May 2005
Posts: 2096
Location: near Woof (Germany) :-) Acer Laptop emachines 2 GB RAM AMD64. franco-/germanophone, +/- anglophone

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 17:10    Post subject:  

hm

how to say it without to hurt you terribly, I don't know...

I did start the new version

I did adapt it as I work without any save file (I need a few quantity of links in /root for that)

I did show what is in it

I did prepare my /mnt/home/archpup/install directory

and rebuild the archpup-12.12.sfs (important: not archpup.sfs, not archpup-1212.sfs, not archpup-12.12-1 but archpup-12.12.sfs, why, I don't know...), my *.SFS is a little smaller,

and use it...

and return immediately after the first hour to the precedent version...

why?

I miss the "freshness" being in the 3thd precedent versions...

to much script working at your side

to much preparation's work at my side:



the distro become more complex, works probably better with special hardware but include the about same AND NEW formalism (that I did eliminate for me Idea )...

I disconnect me from the new version and continue to use the version from before (as I did made a certain long way already with it). I don't will change.

my prognostic is: ArchPup will become bigger and bigger to simulate a complex complete Linux, a complete menu index.
as I did say, the freshness and transparency become away. the user has more to do as with a complete Puppy...

I am sorry, it is my opinion!

I daily use

- browser
- picture manipulation
- picture viewing from photo camera
- HTML editor
- Java / flash to contribute in OpenStreetMaps
- vi or cat > to my.txt << "EOF"
txt txt txt
EOF
- i find complete Nano and complete Geany (binded in the system functions, so I have to replace it with Beaver or Leafpad to don't to loose that functions. But I am not a system programmer any more... I understand that he can wish it to make it's job, although Christophe, the creator of Slitaz, did explain to have done all in nano, you can read that yourself in the doc of Slitaz 1, it is yet online... For a system programmer it is a easy thing to add Geany. For the average user, it is a crux to erase geany to save memory / file size without to loose functions...)
- PDF viewer
- scanner
- word processing and printer
- qemu
- sometimes wine as it is often more easy to bind a in /usr/bin not present application in wine than to install it in Linux because of dependences ... k-meleon starts immediately, no graphic library missing! starts...

an important part of that is slow to change after start in ArchPup and the help founded in the new iso are of cosmetic kind

the question is what we want!

- a conventional Puppy
- a smart and small Puppy
- a Puppy using obligatory a save file to work fast and comfortable
- a new Puppy needing no save file at all and starting fast and starting without tragic the SFS-file(s) on them it is based to have all needed figures really necessary for daily use!
- a new Puppy using already existing extensions as SFS
- or a new Puppy having a new among of adequate SFS's for it himself to view all things, to scan all things, to print out or show all things (it can be the future, but we don't have already that)

add Arch applications is a solution but archpup grows and grows more than other puppy because nobody did optimize in the background the packages before you add it and Arch do the same as Slitaz (initially only about 30 Mb since more than 5 years!): it installs all needed stuffs, or, certainly, more than usually included in Puppy packages, so that you can easily install more thant 2 Gb in Slitaz and probably more in Arch...

the pet2sfs from ArchPup is a good solutions, as the Puppy packages are often pre stripped, only that dependencies are often missed.

short conclusion:
it needs to much engagement from me by using it and to much time to operate with it.

rgds
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Scooby

Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 319

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 18:01    Post subject: Re: Archpup DE+ Screenshots  

stifiling wrote:
I wanted the users to have a visual of 'some' of Archpup's capabilities:


Ignore my previous post. Now I have messed up a number of savefiles.

stifling could you tell me how you got E17 with xbmc running?
I tried to download it into sfs with makesfs but couldnt get
the window manager to start.

Maybe I didnt execute the right command in .xinitrc?
I used

Code:
exec enlightenment17


Maybe you could say something about starting window managers in general?

*EDIT*
I got it to start with
Code:
exec enlightenment_start


great news no screen tearing here but also no sound

stifling did you get sound?

How did you get xbmc to run?

*EDITEDIT*
For some reason xbmc.sfs didnt work but when I installed fron repo it worked. However it took over my whole screen and I couldnt quit it

Still no sound

*EDITEDITEDIT*
Sound alsamixer master was turned down to nil

Last edited by Scooby on Sat 05 Jan 2013, 18:49; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 18:48    Post subject:  

@Scooby

I installed xbmc and e17 together inside a save file...after i saw it working i took the screenshot, didn't thoroughly test it...but I'll do that right now. BRB.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Scooby

Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 319

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 18:53    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:
@Scooby

I installed xbmc and e17 together inside a save file...after i saw it working i took the screenshot, didn't thoroughly test it...but I'll do that right now. BRB.


Have sound now! twas alsamixer

Thanks man. I'm not sure I like xbmc? hoewever I dont get
screentear in e17 so I will be pleased with it,

e17 is not really mature is it? a little buggy?

Do you know any other stable window manager using OpenGL?

*EDIT*

Nope still screen tearing Crying or Very sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2013, 19:31    Post subject:  

Scooby wrote:
Nope still screen tearing Crying or Very sad


the screen is tearing on videos? using intel video card? If that's the case it's always been that way for me as well on every linux i tried....except the last Arch Linux i was using. I was pretty suprised that there was something in it, that stopped it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 12 of 31 [461 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, ..., 29, 30, 31 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Derivatives
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.1092s ][ Queries: 13 (0.0101s) ][ GZIP on ]