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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec 2012, 03:40    Post subject:  
smil99 wrote:
simargl, oui:
Made some progress with cups.
.....


If I understand correctly cups 1.6.1 needs avahi-daemon to run which needs dbus running beforehand. In arch-proper these are going through systemd. In archpup may need some work in init.d/rc.conf to get them going properly. Avahi-daemon is missing altogether for example, and cupsd.conf is from an earlier version.
Since you re-installed from the repo, see if you can start /etc/rc.d/avahi-daemon manually and then start cupds and see how this works. (sorry not much time till after the holidays Laughing )
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toro

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec 2012, 17:56    Post subject:  
Just noting my experience from last night installing ArchPup 12.12 on a Lenovo T60. I was able to boot into the OS (at first not--stuck at a cli with /puppy_ro2 .. /puppy_ro9 etc, but then when I had a USB with the SFS files on it already stuck in at boot, for some reason it did. May have been I didn't properly check the MD5 hash on my first download of the iso.) But then

I'm much too excited about this distro to give up now. Had been fantasizing about going back from Lubuntu to Arch since about a year ago, so when Lubuntu crashed and wasn't restarting, I found this gem that I can hopefully run from within ram.

If it's useful to know my most useful programs that I'm hoping to run are Rstudio, tmux, perl, rvm, git, vi, and mplayer.
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smil99

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec 2012, 22:48    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
Quote:
...see if you can start /etc/rc.d/avahi-daemon manually...

avahi-daemon is found at /usr/sbin/ instead of /etc/rc.d.
Using the command etc/rc.d/avahi-daemon returned the following:
Code:
[root@archpup ~]# etc/rc.d/avahi-daemon
bash: etc/rc.d/avahi-daemon: No such file or directory
[root@archpup ~]#

Also, trying /usr/sbin/avahi-daemon rerurned:
Code:
[root@archpup ~]# /usr/sbin/avahi-daemon
Failed to find user 'avahi'.
[root@archpup ~]#
Clearly, there seem to be conflicts between etc/rc.d calls and systemct calls as the latter also gave:
Code:
[root@archpup ~]# systemctl enable avahi-daemon.service
bash: systemctl: command not found
[root@archpup ~]#

Nevertheless, reading around the internet, I came across the use of the following:
Code:
chmod a+rw /dev/random /dev/urandom
So as a last resort, I tried it and lo and behold, I was able to navigate localhost:631, searched for a network printer (Canon MP640) and even installed it without any restrictions. However, it refuses to print as the printer starts shortly and then stops withotu printing anything. The print job also disappears from the CUPS interface. Sad
I know we are almost close to solving this problem but I am at my wits end as at now. I only hope this can be resolved by the smarter guys around here. Is rcrsn51also reading this? Smile
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
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ciento

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 01:13    Post subject: Re: ArchPup 12.12
Subject description: New version with latest Arch Linux packages		  
simargl wrote:
ArchPup is minimalistic Puppy Linux variant

Hi, is there any chance to include wvdial and it's depends? This would
help 3G usb modem users access the Arch repos, perhaps increasing
the userbase over time. It's a pretty lean distro to get wvdial going
by hand. (lean is good, almost lean, but with net access, is a hair better
for some of us Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 03:54    Post subject:  
I'm getting a
Code:
pup-volume-monitor-WARNING **: udev event monitor exited while daemon is running
in /tmp/pup-volume-monitor-log/log_XXXXXXX ?
Anybody else is seeing this?
This is maybe why volume-monitor is not refreshing.

BTW /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor has a typo in line 15. Should be "-starter" not "-start"
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 03:59    Post subject: Re: ArchPup 12.12
Subject description: New version with latest Arch Linux packages		  
ciento wrote:
simargl wrote:
ArchPup is minimalistic Puppy Linux variant

Hi, is there any chance to include wvdial and it's depends? This would
help 3G usb modem users access the Arch repos, perhaps increasing
the userbase over time. It's a pretty lean distro to get wvdial going
by hand. (lean is good, almost lean, but with net access, is a hair better
for some of us Wink

Ok I added these 3 packages to arch-base: wvdial-1.61-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz, wvstreams-4.6.1-5-i686.pkg.tar.xz, xplc-0.3.13-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz.
Iso will be 1.8 mb bigger
For refreshing device list I will add menu entry to call this script
Code:
#!/bin/bash

# Temporary solution for refreshing Thunar's device list in ArchPup

# restart pup-volume-monitor
[ "$(pidof pup-volume-monitor)" ] && /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor stop
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor start

# restart Thunar
[ "$(pidof thunar)" ] && killall thunar; thunar &

exit
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cinclus_cinclus

Joined: 22 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 06:53    Post subject: kernel version < 3.6?
Subject description: Intel Xorg driver not usable with newer kernels on G45 mainbord		  
I need a kernel replacement for the current kernel in 12.12. I need one with version < 3.6.

@simargl

Could I use in ArchPup say this one:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-common/linux_kernel-3.2.29-pae-i686-up.pet

for a remastering of ArchPup?

Background:

I reported that I can't use the Xorg Intel driver on my hardware platform (Intel G45) - only the vesa driver.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82494&start=94

I found out that this problem is not ArchPup-related at all but kernel-related with kernel versions > 3.5.

I have tested several other distribution in the meantime as well (Antix, Kanotix, Archbang, ...) each of which failed to load the Intel driver with kernel versions > 3.5 but worked normally with kernel up to 3.5.

Can you please recommend a special kernel? Do I have to recompile a kernel because of a special kernel-configuration before remastering?
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 07:18    Post subject:  
I'm not sure will it work with different glibc version and everything, but you can try. Copy
/initrd/pup_ro2, and replace /lib/modules/3.6.8 with that kernel version, and vmlinuz in home
directory. You must also make new initrd.gz, will add script used in original ArchPup, just change
variables at beginning to fit you needs.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 09:41    Post subject: Re: ArchPup 12.12
Subject description: New version with latest Arch Linux packages		  
simargl wrote:

For refreshing device list I will add menu entry to call this script
Code:
#!/bin/bash

# Temporary solution for refreshing Thunar's device list in ArchPup

# restart pup-volume-monitor
[ "$(pidof pup-volume-monitor)" ] && /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor stop
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor start

# restart Thunar
[ "$(pidof thunar)" ] && killall thunar; thunar &

exit


Assuming that the /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor restart call is corrected as mentioned above, all you need is
Code:
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor restart

No need to restart thunar.
As a matter of fact you can even run it as a daemon but then this defies the whole idea of volume-monitor...

BTW, I think the problem is the 1212 glib as that was not a problem with 1204.
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toro

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 10:28    Post subject:  
On about my 7th back & forth from Puppy 4.1.3 (working) to these forums looking for ArchPup 12.12 answers. Which tells you how excited I am to get this distro working. Still can't connect to the internet though. I tried following the Arch beginner's guide (
Code:
ip link up eth0
etc) plugged directly into my DSL modem as well as logging on with wlan0 the regular way.

Neither Frisbee nor Pwireless2 gets all the way there for me. I can log onto the wireless with another device at the time.

I would install wicd as some people have alluded to but without a package manager and across puppies I'm not sure how to.

UPDATE: Here is the working ifconfig whilst in Puppy 4.1.3 (how I'm writing this):
Code:

# ifconfig
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback 
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1B:77:59:E0:11 
          inet addr:192.168.2.105  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:2173741 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:1294346 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:3220112072 (2.9 GiB)  TX bytes:118370723 (112.8 MiB)

wmaster0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-1B-77-59-E0-11-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 
          UP RUNNING  MTU:0  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 12:54    Post subject:  
@toro: Do you want to connect to ethernet or wireless network interface? If it's DSL ethernet
it should automatically connect to eth0. See what's output when you type ifconfig, if it is eth1, type this
Code:
ifconfig eth1 up; dhcpcd

mavrothal wrote:

No need to restart thunar.
As a matter of fact you can even run it as a daemon but then this defies the whole idea of volume-monitor...

If I only restart pup-volume-monitor, devices in Thunar stay the same, at least for me. But still
running this script from the menu is easier than adding some different tool for mounting usb drives like pmount.
I tried to fix problem with pinstall.sh script that is not running after sfs module has been loaded,
but in /usr/sbin/sfs_load nothing calls that script. Wonder what should start pinstall.sh.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 17:19    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:

If I only restart pup-volume-monitor, devices in Thunar stay the same, at least for me.

Confused
Is your thunar any different than the one in the release?
Is it happening in a clean install too?
Because "stop" and "star" volume-monitor vs "restart" is identical, so looks like a thunar issue.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 17:49    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
simargl wrote:

If I only restart pup-volume-monitor, devices in Thunar stay the same, at least for me.

Confused
Is your thunar any different than the one in the release?
Is it happening in a clean install too?
Because "stop" and "star" volume-monitor vs "restart" is identical, so looks like a thunar issue.

Yes "stop" and "star" volume-monitor vs "restart" is identical, I was explaining
why is needed to also restart Thunar, if it is open and you only type ...pup-volume-monitor restart,
it still shows "old" devices list, until started again.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 18:54    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
@toro: Do you want to connect to ethernet or wireless network interface? If it's DSL ethernet
it should automatically connect to eth0. See what's output when you type ifconfig, if it is eth1, type this
Code:
ifconfig eth1 up; dhcpcd


Thanks for the reply simargl and for making the distro. I posted the output of ifconfig in my original question. I'm trying to use wireless (wlan0) but also tried plugging directly into DSL as a debugging step. Thanks to your notifier on the right (beautiful) I could tell I wasn't getting anything down. Was able to ping 127.0.0.1 after ip link up eth0 but not google.com. Copied some nameservers from the Arch Beginner's Wiki and that didn't solve it either.

Based on watching the logfiles of Pwireless2 and Frisbee it may have gotten stuck at the 4-way handshake? There were a variety of errors in what looks like a bash script when I pushed the buttons in different orders.

I think I also got an error running dhcpd.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 19:29    Post subject: Re: ArchPup 12.12
Subject description: New version with latest Arch Linux packages		  
simargl wrote:
ciento wrote:
simargl wrote:
ArchPup is minimalistic Puppy Linux variant

Hi, is there any chance to include wvdial and it's depends?

Ok I added these 3 packages to arch-base: wvdial-1.61-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz, wvstreams-4.6.1-5-i686.pkg.tar.xz, xplc-0.3.13-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz.
Iso will be 1.8 mb bigger
For refreshing device list I will add menu entry to call this script
[code]#!/bin/bash

Thankyou so much! I'll download now Laughing

oops, the iso has not changed size yet... Confused

I'll check periodically in case there is a timeframe for
sourceforge uploads Smile
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