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ArchPup - Puppy based on Arch Linux
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oui

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Dec 2012, 21:00    Post subject: what is the future of ArchPup?  

Hi

Using Arch Pup all the time since it did appear here, I am very happy with all the conception of this smart, fast (1/2 starting time of course in relation also with the size of the ISO: I have not to wait the starting of a lot of applications sizes which I will never use in a great time of sessions...) and flexible distribution!

I only miss one: A ready to use SFS for printing, networking, and media (commando line mplayer would be enough in a first approach and probably better as more as flashplayer, being easy to install, does a lot within a browser...) as such activity are sometimes really tricky to install...

But it was not my question today. Today is my question: What is the future of ArchPup as Arch is a rolling distribution? Two ways seem to be possible:

- way 1: the maintener of this distro publishes all n month a new frish release

- way 2: he writes and publishes a script downloading the stuff from Arch and making automatic this actualiised release on demand! It would of course be the really perfect solution, as it would make the people using this base to build special puplets to help himself starting or publishing a new work to make certain to start the work / the publication with a really actual version!

What is the road map in this matter?

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stifiling

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 06:37    Post subject:  

the kernel panic on usb booting with a save file is a massive downer. having high hopes that it'll be resolved.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 06:52    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:
the kernel panic on usb booting with a save file is a massive downer. having high hopes that it'll be resolved.

Yes it is.
One other thing I can think of is the absence of a distro ID string in archpup that the puppy init script uses to find its files.
I'll try to test that latter and see if it works.

Latter: No is not the ID string Sad
Also tried an old init script (May 2010). Same thing Confused Confused

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 11:26    Post subject:  

i remastered precise (which we all know works as expected) replacing /usr /var /root and /lib, (all but /lib/modules) with the files from archpuppy. of course the system didn't work properly, X didn't start and so on but it did load to a tty prompt.

so i say, great...it loaded completely, let's try with a save file from USB.

i created a precisesave.2fs file and tried to boot it from USB and 'kernel panic'. So...i'm knowing it's not of 'much' help but based on that test, from what i can tell, the problem is in one of those dirs.

i originally thought it was something in /etc.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:08    Post subject:  

Hi all
I'm new in this forum and I really like puppy with arch Smile
I was looking for a distro for my eeepc and I found puppeee, but it not seems still developed..
I think archpup should be fine for netbook, maybe with kernel-netbook installed, that it's simple to install by pacman Smile
I'll do some tests soon!
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:28    Post subject:  

stifiling wrote:

i originally thought it was something in /etc.


It is something in etc! Very Happy
I did some voodoo boot and debug Cool and turns out that the panic is when it is accessing /etc/rc.d/BOOTCONFIG in the save file.
Turns out that if you take any puppy and you remove/rename the /etc/rc.d from the savefile (in another machine) you get a kernel panic when you try to boot.
Why this is happening when you have the savefile in a USB stick but not when in a HD, I have no idea. Confused I' ll ask Barry I guess.
In the mean time, looks like that savefile creation in archpup must become more puppy-like. Is rather awkward the way it is right now anyway.

(latter) Till then if you want to boot with a save file in a USB, after you create it mount it and add these 2 files
/etc/rc.d/BOOTCONFIG
Code:
EXTRASFSLIST=''
PREVUNIONRECORD='archsave.2fs arch-1204.sfs'
LASTUNIONRECORD='archsave.2fs arch-1204.sfs'
and
/etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE
Code:
PUPMODE=13
PDEV1=''
DEV1FS=''
PUPSFS='sda1,ext3,/arch-1204.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sda1,ext3,/archsave.2fs'
PMEDIA='atahd'
#ATADRIVES is all internal ide/pata/sata drives, excluding optical, excluding usb...
ATADRIVES='sda '
#ATAOPTICALDRIVES is list of non-usb optical drives...
ATAOPTICALDRIVES='sr0 '
#these directories are unionfs/aufs layers in /initrd...
SAVE_LAYER='/pup_rw'
PUP_LAYER='/pup_ro2'
#The partition that has the archsave file is mounted here...
PUP_HOME='/mnt/dev_save'
#(in /initrd) ...note, /mnt/home is a link to it.
#this file has extra kernel drivers and firmware...
ZDRV=''
#complete set of modules in the initrd (moved to main f.s.)...
ZDRVINIT='no'
#Partition no. override on boot drive to which session is (or will be) saved...
PSAVEMARK=''
PSUBDIR=''

Make sure you adjust the paths and the USB filesystem accordingly

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:12    Post subject:  

It would be nice if this project sparked an interest in Barry. Looking at it from this side of the table...it appears as though it would be 'easier' and plain, 'better' to base a traditional puppy off this head start.

the ubuntu based puppys don't install the big apps like wicd, blueman, pulseaudio, and others correctly. At least they didn't in Lucid and from that lesson learned, i never wasted time trying them in Precise.

This archpuppy that i'm using on my computer now is a clone of my full arch linux. every app i use works but faster. i'm a click away from scraping the full arch linux installation. It's just sitting there, never being used, on a 'just in case' status, the same as XP.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:15    Post subject:  

that's interesting that the repository support actually works, I've found this a problem all Puppy's I've used.
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oui

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:30    Post subject:  

Stop mavrothal

mavrothal wrote:
In the mean time, looks like that savefile creation in archpup must become more puppy-like. Is rather awkward the way it is right now anyway.


Please, let Archpup as it is, different, more as old first Puppy's were!!

The GREAT performances of Archpup are

- 1/2 Size (*1
- 1/2 Starting time
- NO loose of time with silly dilly little windows to ask if my gran'ma, my gran'pa etc. and later, doing shutting down, if I will a safe file!
- dynamic Puppy menu and task bar
- task bar left, exactly at the place where occidental text lines begin Rolling Eyes = ergonomic Exclamation I usually never need to find an other mouse cursor position!
- great packaging system from Arch packages
- great conversion ability *.PET > *.SFS
- great management from *. SFS : it works perfectly

Why do you want a save file?

Are you not able to know and use the 5 lines needed to remaster Archpup with some personal data? Poor, really poor Embarassed !!!

You don't need to install any *.PETs! Have you loose the reason?

You can transfer all *. PET's working well into *.SFS: IT IS INCLUDED IN PERFECTION

Please let the smudge hands away from Archpup and let it as it is!

Kind regards


(*1 compared with Slacko, a medium size Puppy!
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:46    Post subject:  

oui,
I just spend few good hours trying to solve a major bug in ArchPup.
You are clearly unable to appreciate it, but please at least stop screaming.

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 15:44    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
oui,
I just spend few good hours trying to solve a major bug in ArchPup.


good

Quote:
You are clearly unable to appreciate it, but please at least stop screaming.


and because you did help, I did observe it, it is so,

you will now

rebuild the concept of the good work of sigmargl?

it would more bad as I did consider it just now Embarassed ...

my question again:

"why do you want a save file in THIS puplet!"

you already have 100 bad Puplets with the terrible save file question shutting down the system Rolling Eyes !

take an other one!
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 15:55    Post subject:  

oui wrote:

my question again:

"why do you want a save file in THIS puplet!"


Maybe because I'm crazy.
Or maybe because ArchPup is designed to have a savefile.
Or maybe because there is no OS in the word without the ability to save your data.
Hmm,... maybe it is not me who is the crazy one here.

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 16:52    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
oui wrote:

my question again:

"why do you want a save file in THIS puplet!"


Maybe because I'm crazy.


It is YOUR opinion, but I would be able to live with it Laughing !

Quote:
Or maybe because ArchPup is designed to have a savefile.


it is absurd:

open Thunar (or the save procedure of EACH classic application as Firefox, Abiword etc.):

you see all your drives and partitions and

CAN SAVE ALL YOUR WORKS!

It absolutely not true:

Quote:
Or maybe because there is no OS in the word without the ability to save your data.


Your data are this way absolutely secure! And about all good applications

require you save correctly before leaving the job!

You did probably mean your setup values! It is different! And that is perversion: We work as "root" without password! Only "playing systems" do that (I would better add a real login function with root and user to Archpup as a not serious playing save file! After first start remasters Archpup itself with the encrypted 2 passwords and the new user(s) name(s) in real Linux secure manner).

No secure Linux at all!

And it is easy to remaster Arxhpup with a few of the setup values being really not critical. They are after that included in the arch-1204.sfs and nothing more that you would regret at the next day if in internet once accede to your unprotected "root" puppy account!

Quote:
Hmm,... maybe it is not me who is the crazy one here.


for this reason, I find it is really silly dilly to add any save file to a system needing nothing! As well as I did meet myself, Archpup did setup my computer correctly full automatic! And starts fast doing that!

Not one question

not one little window!

What is the need of your fun save file to start on normal systems Rolling Eyes Idea !

Ok, other systems...

sigmarl did procure a way, no not one, different ways

a. menu > system >> setup >>> Make personal save file
b. menu > system >> setup >>> Resize personal storage file
c. commando line

to add and extend a save file! it is not enough for you?

Surprising...

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 17:29    Post subject:  

oui,
please do not discourage mavrothal from doing his work. He's doing it for those of us who lack the knowledge, that you and he have. I need the save file to be able to save not external data, but some very basic internal settings of Archpup. So far I'm unable to do that the way it's easily done with other puppies. Unless I'm mistaken, simargl himself acknowledged the save file does not work as it should. Once, the problem is solved, it will be up to the end user to decide whether to use the save function or not.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 23:56    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
(latter) Till then if you want to boot with a save file in a USB, after you create it mount it and add these 2 files


It FRIGGIN' works DUDE!!...thanks for diagnosing that issue and coming with a resolution. You're a smart fellow, bud.

But I myself like to remaster a 'clean base' arch-1204.sfs with what i consider necessary apps. And then give that base to my mother, sister, cousin, brother, etc. and let them go from there. Do i want to explain to them, "Hey bro, all you got to do is, take these 5 lines, and remaster it, and pet2sfs your other favorite apps and........". come on now, that's just tacky, and cumbersome, and enough for my bro's reply to be "You know what bro, I think I'll just keep using Precise."

Thanks again mavrothal...u've filled a major gap in this incomplete derivative. It's still done from a tinkerer's/geek's standpoint...and until it's integrated more 'naturally', it'll prolly keep slowly but surely sinking down to the second page of this "Puppy Derivatives" forum.

I've noticed this hasn't gotten an extreme amt of attention, and i'm sure you have too....why? no one knows how to use it. Except geeky geeks.

It really is though, since mavrothal's tweaks...so far, the best GNU/Linux OS i've ever used. Arch Linux and Puppy Linux....are a head to head tie. ArchPuppy, is better than both of them.
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