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ArchPup - Puppy based on Arch Linux
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stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 388

PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 00:25    Post subject:  

i couldn't get my wireless working on archpup. I then started tinkering around and copied the pacman files out of the sfs and into PreciseNOP. It appears to be working about 95% close to perfect.

I installed some of the hardest programs that i use, trying to break it, and successfully installed, using pacman all that i tried which is:
guake
clementine
xbmc
smplayer
geany
leafpad
galculator
pulseaudio
pavucontrol
terminator

(wonder if it'll successfully install compiz or xfce?)
I'm messing with yaourt now. Once again. thanks for opening a new door.
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simargl
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 03:35    Post subject:  

Hello stifiling,
Could you please test this in PreciseNOP?

Stop your wireless interface and try to bring it up with this:

iwconfig wlan0 channel auto
dhcpcd wlan0

If that's working I will add wireless_tools and make this two lines
into service to start it on boot.
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simargl
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 04:24    Post subject:  

It's very important that someone test wireless connection using code in previous post,
found it on Arch wiki but can't check myself. It will not work in Archpup because I planned it for only personal
use and disabled some stuff in kernel config (wireless, bluetooth, some filesystems ... ). New version will have
kernel 3.6.8 and use default config from Puppy precise.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 13:14    Post subject:  

i ran those two commands on PreciseNOP and here's the output:

# iwconfig wlan0 channel auto
# dhcpcd wlan0
dhcpcd: version 5.1.5 starting
dhcpcd: wlan0: waiting for carrier
dhcpcd: timed out
dhcpcd: allowing 8 seconds for IPv4LL timeout
dhcpcd: timed out
#


I had also installed blueman, chromium, and epiphany (using pacman in PreciseNOP) and they worked...but started complaining about 'org.blueman.Mechanism missing .service file' and other similar errors about org.* missing .service files.
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ajbibb

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 15:39    Post subject:  

I'm not following this super closely so my comments may just muddy the water instead of helping.

If your wireless card has an old Broadcom chip you may need to build and install the b43 package from the AUR, and install the package b43-fwcutter from the official repositories. You need both if this is the case.

In reading around the internet needing the old Broadcom chip packages sounds sort of rare, but I'm batting 3 for 3 in needing these packages on wireless cards I've tried to get running. I was going to attach the AUR package prebuilt, but it has a .xz extension and that apparently is not allowed.

The .service files are all systemd stuff. Don't know if any of it is critical or not.
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oui

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 18:03    Post subject: a magistral work!  

Hi Simargl

You present us a really magistral work!

I am certain, that this work can be decisive for Puppy:

Back to a real Puppy size!

A Basic Version again without forced question about making or not a save file, without ballast!

Thank you very much!

In case you will fat your puppy in the future, please, be so kind and preserve us this (eventually actualized) Basic Version in parallel!

I did not understand why you did include no application (is very well Idea ! let it so, please Exclamation ) but the big Geany (nano is there, it is enough to start!) and a different graphic file manager as we are accustomed to use in Puppy?

How to erase it with all his specific dependencies not used by other applications?

Good luck for your development activity!

Kind regards

PS: I would hope the moderator would transfer this thread to the section "Puppy project" as it is an important step to go back to a real puppy size and not continue to build "sumo puppies"
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oui

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov 2012, 18:23    Post subject:  

Next wishes:

a/ your recommendations:

You can, we can't, edit your first message again!

It would be a good thing to repeat all your main recommendations in short form at the end of the first message because the threads in Puppy have the terrible unpleasant many to reach terrible sizes. After that, newbies are not able any more to get compact information!

If you directly copy the code etc. of your answering message and copy it at this central place of the thread it is no supplementary effort for you at answering time instead a lot of unpleasant effort for all future users (or for you, if this forces you to write a special tutor to make your work better!)

b/ how did you build your special extremely small puplet?

(ArchPup from Scratch Question Idea ; perhaps a new thread for that?)

can we help / contribute?

Bye
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musher0


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 01:42    Post subject:  

Hi, oui.

I believe the author has explained in broad terms how he constructed his ArchPup 1024 in the middle of page 2 (previous page).

BFN.

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oui

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 05:30    Post subject:  

Thank you very much for the «tape sur l'épaule: on ne rajeunit pas...» Musher!

see also please:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=667810#667810
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 11:56    Post subject:  

New version is finished and uploading...
I added Pwireless2 http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=360694#360694 although completely untested.
Will post links on first page when it uploads..
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 15:00    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
New version is finished and uploading...

Super Very Happy
Do you plan to provide a devx sfs? Downloading the devel packages really takes a lot of space (since they are uncompressed) in the save file.

But we certainly need the kernel-headers since any (driver) compiling fails with
Code:
C processor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
and the config.log says
Quote:
/usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:39:26: fatal error: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.


BTW, I had to update the glibc from the Arch repo to work. Is ArchPup using a modified/overstripped glibc?

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 16:52    Post subject:  

New version plus development add-on and kernel source are available
for download. See first post...

@mavrothal: When main sfs file is created folowing is moved to
package called arch-dev: /usr/include,/usr/share/aclocal,/usr/lib/pkgconfig,
/usr/lib/*.a,/usr/share/gir-1.0. Size of that package is arount 15MB.
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oui

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 16:59    Post subject:  

Hi Simargl

I did remaster ArchPup1204 for me with Iceape 2.7.7, flashplayer, and a small version from Puppy Linux of OO 2.2 (as it is really enough for me) without Java. Including, of course, /root/.start with my keyboard map (us_intl which is VERY different from the same us_intl in the most other distributions including Puppy! a great among of special char seems not to be available at all; if it is the same with the most keyboard maps it would mean that all user will have great acustumation difficulties; perhaps it is only a matter of short name of keyboard maps?)

I have now to extend my menu with soffice scalc swriter and simpress.

But I was estonished don't to find mksquashfs to rebuild my arch-1204.sfs (size is now 260 MB according Thunar). Did you use an other tool to build the arch-1204.sfs (I did make it with an other Puppy with mksquashfs of /usr/sbin from the other Puppy, but it is really not the best solution)?

Kind regards

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 17:04    Post subject:  

Hello oui,

mksquashfs command is in development add-on, but you
can install it with pacman -S squashfs-tools. Good luck with remaster Very Happy
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oui

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2012, 17:17    Post subject:  

Hi Simargl

Thank you very much. I is already remastered and works (I am using it now Wink )!

Keyboard:
perhaps it is only a matter of short name of keyboard maps?

My own version:
I will include later in my own version a /root/.mozilla/seamonkey with a content with a few of my lovely url's, pseudonyms and passwords to work totaly without save file and for this reason without indiscret history etc., starting each day with minimal private date equipment for maximal discretion!

this is the reason why I would not like to be asked each day as in other puppy's if I will create a save file Wink . I will no save file for maximal security: I save using thunar or the file managers included in the applications only the documents. No history, no dot-something-file, no cookies from the day before!!

Kind regards
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