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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Nov 2012, 19:55    Post_subject:  

Zenwalk 7.2, which I installed today, is another good one IMO; just one app per function but they're all good and Youtube videos play"out of the box."
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2012, 07:50    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Has any of you tested this one from Bell Lab?
The creators of Unix?
This one is named Plan9 and link is here
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/


Just tried this, failed miserably, and then read up on it. The principles behind the design are great, but it's just not usable, as a modern desktop OS at all. It's a shame too, because just reading the design principles makes me want for it to have left Linux in the dust years ago. Things could have been SOOO much nicer, and it would have been a dream base for Puppy. You know when you read about something that made perfect sense, should have been great, but got no attention for whatever reason and fizzled out of mainstream? That's Plan9, sadly.

Sorry if this was already addressed. I found the post with a Google search and there are too many pages of posts after it to bother reading them all now.

Is there a flavor of Linux that uses the Puppy style of "it's your computer, do what you will with it" root-for-all goodness that I love so much WITH complete support for a mainstream distro's repos?

Puppy gets closer to this all the time it seems(and it will be great when it happens), but still there is now too.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2012, 19:36    Post_subject:  

Thanks sketchman happy that you cared about it.
I know almost nothing about software so I just love
to read about people who have dreams and then sadly
their dreams does not get enough support for to find out
if it would had work in real life.

But we have at least Linux and hope we can keep it
so that the Patent Troll not sue us for using it. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2012, 19:43    Post_subject:  

sketchman wrote:
nooby wrote:
Has any of you tested this one from Bell Lab?
The creators of Unix?
This one is named Plan9 and link is here
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/


Just tried this, failed miserably, and then read up on it. The principles behind the design are great, but it's just not usable, as a modern desktop OS at all. It's a shame too, because just reading the design principles makes me want for it to have left Linux in the dust years ago. Things could have been SOOO much nicer, and it would have been a dream base for Puppy. You know when you read about something that made perfect sense, should have been great, but got no attention for whatever reason and fizzled out of mainstream? That's Plan9, sadly.

Sorry if this was already addressed. I found the post with a Google search and there are too many pages of posts after it to bother reading them all now.

Is there a flavor of Linux that uses the Puppy style of "it's your computer, do what you will with it" root-for-all goodness that I love so much WITH complete support for a mainstream distro's repos?

Puppy gets closer to this all the time it seems(and it will be great when it happens), but still there is now too.


Eric S. Raymond wrote a good article about Plan 9 once. Here it is;

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/plan9.html

Raymond says this amongst other things;

"Why didn't it take over the world?

One could argue for a lot of specific reasons — lack of any serious effort to market it, scanty documentation, much confusion and stumbling over fees and licensing. For those unfamiliar with Plan 9, it seemed to function mainly as a device for generating interesting papers on operating-systems research. But Unix itself had previously surmounted all these sorts of obstacles to attract a dedicated following that spread it worldwide. Why didn't Plan 9?

The long view of history may tell a different story, but in 2003 it looks like Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough."

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Nov 2012, 12:03    Post_subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough."


I read that too, thought about how infected the world is with Windows despite the plethora of Linux distros available, and had to smile and chuckle a bit.

It's funny how "just good enough" can hold the world back so easily.

I'm using Absolute 14.01 now and loving it. Logged in as root(with NO password Twisted Evil ) for good, set up XFCE4, and will enjoy the luxury of a mainstream package repo for a good long while, ....hopefully Very Happy .

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 06:36    Post_subject:  

sketchman wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough."


I read that too, thought about how infected the world is with Windows despite the plethora of Linux distros available, and had to smile and chuckle a bit.

It's funny how "just good enough" can hold the world back so easily.

I'm using Absolute 14.01 now and loving it. Logged in as root(with NO password Twisted Evil ) for good, set up XFCE4, and will enjoy the luxury of a mainstream package repo for a good long while, ....hopefully Very Happy .


Great. How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).

I installed Scientific Linux yesterday. It's quite good and stable but you have to install the plugins (such as Flash) yourself; they don't come as standard (unlike Stella). One cool feature it does have though is continually changing astronomical wallpaper.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 07:00    Post_subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).


As long as everything is installed properly from the Slackware repo, just set the option to use a text based login from the IceWM menu and reboot. Then login and type "startxfce4" instead of "startx". There is probably a more automated way to do it and have it boot straight into XFCE, but I'm not familiar with it.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 08:24    Post_subject:  

Hello I will be trying out Zorin OS 6.1 soon. I heard it's "Ubuntu but better than Ubuntu" or something like that. Also reinstalled Windows XP because Windows games run better on it than on wine.
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:01    Post_subject:  

sketchman wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).


As long as everything is installed properly from the Slackware repo, just set the option to use a text based login from the IceWM menu and reboot. Then login and type "startxfce4" instead of "startx". There is probably a more automated way to do it and have it boot straight into XFCE, but I'm not familiar with it.


Thanks. I've got a DVD of Slackware 14 (rc5) so I could install the relevant packages from that instead of the online repos.

It would be good to be able to boot straight into XFCE though.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:28    Post_subject:  

Been using Lubuntu 12.04 for over a month now, full install from live cd onto 6gb partition of 120GB SSD that also boots Windows 7, and can also boot Android 4.0 from sd card and Dpup Exprimo 5.15 from USB.

For the netvertible Lenovo S10-3t, Lubuntu 12.04 is the definitive Linux in terms of speed, cpu temperature control, and battery life. Fastest boot I've found and with a four-second shutdown.

Obviously, Lubuntu has the maddening root issues along with the other documented annoyances in this thread.

But this post:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks

and specifically, the Aggressive Link Power Management drops cpu temp 5-10 degrees C, and the battery life is the best I've found for the S10-3t, even better than Lenovo's own Win7 power management.

Of course, I use Puppy on my other laptops either b/c puppeee has good temp control or (with some machines) I don't need great battery life.

But ALPM is something definitely worth exploring if folks are interested in staying away from the a/c adapter.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 16:06    Post_subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
It would be good to be able to boot straight into XFCE though.


Got it. Working on mine, anyway. Just replace your "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" with the modified attached one. Modified "rc.local" looks for "startxfce4" and uses it if found, and if not uses the default "startx" script. Either way should get you from GRUB to desktop in one keystroke.

EDIT: Just noticed a glitch with this. Thunderbird (for example) can't find its config directory and makes a new one in "/". Just a heads up. No big deal really as you can just make a symlink in "/" for your original folder, but if someone knows how to fix that I will and reupload the file.
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Description  Search for and run XFCE4 at boot. For Absolute 14.01
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 19:00    Post_subject:  

jakfish wrote:
Been using Lubuntu 12.04 for over a month now, full install from live cd onto 6gb partition of 120GB SSD that also boots Windows 7, and can also boot Android 4.0 from sd card and Dpup Exprimo 5.15 from USB.

For the netvertible Lenovo S10-3t, Lubuntu 12.04 is the definitive Linux in terms of speed, cpu temperature control, and battery life. Fastest boot I've found and with a four-second shutdown.

Obviously, Lubuntu has the maddening root issues along with the other documented annoyances in this thread.

But this post:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks

and specifically, the Aggressive Link Power Management drops cpu temp 5-10 degrees C, and the battery life is the best I've found for the S10-3t, even better than Lenovo's own Win7 power management.

Of course, I use Puppy on my other laptops either b/c puppeee has good temp control or (with some machines) I don't need great battery life.

But ALPM is something definitely worth exploring if folks are interested in staying away from the a/c adapter.

Jake


Such is very interesting. To get the OS to use less power
is what I want too.

My Netbook makes the Fan run like mad and sooner or later
it whould fail and get over heated. So if one could keep it below
the temp it set in that would be cool Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 20:21    Post_subject:  

jakfish wrote:
this post:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks
and specifically, the Aggressive Link Power Management drops cpu temp 5-10 degrees C, and the battery life is the best I've found for the S10-3t, even better than Lenovo's own Win7 power management.

Interesting point they make about dark colours consuming more power than light colours, on an LCD screen.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Nov 2012, 10:37    Post_subject:  

This also seems to help:


In Terminal: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
In GRUB:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

replace with:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi.power_nocheck=1"

Save, update GRUB using

sudo update-grub

REBOOT, then open the Terminal again and type:

gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub

And replace the 2nd to last line with:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_osi=\"Linux\""

from:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2020277&highlight=temperature

I can't tell if this GRUB-editing is the equivalent puppy command "acpi=force" command in syslinux.cfg

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Nov 2012, 11:33    Post_subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Interesting point they make about dark colours consuming more power than light colours, on an LCD screen.

This makes sense. Consider the display on an LCD calculator. The digits become visible because they are darker than the background. An applied voltage causes the crystals to line up and form a polarizing filter that blocks the light.

So it takes more power to create more dark regions on the display.

So I guess that the default wallpaper in Precise is actually a good idea? Wink
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