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#21 Post by Sage »

Don't forget to restart X after installing pup-volume-monitor.

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xfce4-panel-plugin-mount

#22 Post by Marv »

This is kind of for Geoffrey and any other very brave souls to try out. I have the xfce4 panel mounter working with my ide-flash and USB drives in 'lina-001. I see this as a pointer in the right direction possibly. The thunar, pmount and desktop mounting is not changed at all. It took 2 changes:

1. In the properties for the panel mount, blacklist the various /dev/loopx and /dev/fd0. Pretty simple, just a space delimited list.

2. I rewrote /etc/udev/rules.d/60-fstabd.rules so that it tests for the volume, not the disk. Probably many ways to skin this cat, but it works for all of my usb drives and is a starting point. I looked at the source for the panel mounter and indeed it does rely on fstab.

BACK UP the original 60-fstabd.rules, substitute these, and have a go at it. The USB drive when plugged in should now show as sdbx etc. in both /etc/fstab and /etc/fstab.d.

Edit: rules updated 11/13/2012 to add mount points if needed.
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#23 Post by rg66 »

Has anyone else noticed that Thunar doesn't show thumbnails even if it is checked in preferences? Also no thumbnails in Ristretto either.

A look in .packages adrive-installed-packages shows lina_xfce-4.10. I installed xfce-4.10-i486 from the repo over top and it seems to have fixed this. Although it did reset my panel and Bulk rename is missing from the menu.

Edit: Bulk rename's category was changed to "BuildingBlocks" in the desktop file. Changed to "FileSystem" fixed this.
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dumb question

#24 Post by Marv »

In the repository pets, there are sometimes NLS and non-NLS versions. Aah what does NLS stand for?
Has anyone else noticed that Thunar doesn't show thumbnails even if it is checked in preferences? Also no thumbnails in Ristretto either.
No thumbnails here either. I'm too lazy to rebuild my panel for now so I'll live with it for a bit.
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#25 Post by rg66 »

@ Marv

I've had no issues with USD drives being shown wrong.
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USB drives

#26 Post by Marv »

I've had no issues with USD drives being shown wrong.
rg66,

They have always been fine on the desktop, in thunar, and in pmount. The struggle has been with the xfce mounter plugin for the xfce4 panel. It was ok prior to xfce 4.80 and since then it hasn't, at least for me. Do you use that?

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#27 Post by rg66 »

Sorry Marv my bad, I misread the post. But it is 6 in the morning here, I should make another coffee. :shock:

I just tried the mounter plugin and it lists the USB drive ok but won't mount or unmount anything, just a failed error.
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#28 Post by Marv »

But it is 6 in the morning here, I should make another coffee.
Yep, coffee is good, especially with no snowflakes in it.
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#29 Post by Geoffrey »

Thanks Marv, the mounter plugin works fine now for me, no trouble with mounting or unmounting, no apparent adverse effects from the code change, nice to get rid of the loops, looks a lot cleaner.

oops there are loops, not to worry, they are handy for unmounting sfs files :D
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xfce4-panel-plugin-mount

#30 Post by Marv »

Thanks Marv, the mounter plugin works fine now for me, no trouble with mounting or unmounting, no apparent adverse effects from the code change, nice to get rid of the loops, looks a lot cleaner.
Geoffrey,

I've been using it a bit more and found one oddity, probably not worth fixing, and one improvement. Plugging in more and more usb drives, when I got beyond the empty mount points created in /MNT with thunar or desktop, it wouldn't mount that drive. Once that drive had been mounted, the empty folder (/mnt/sde1 for example) is permanent and the panel mounter is fine. Probably can create a mount point within a rule but I'm not there yet.

I also plugged in a CF card in an adaptor with multiple partitions. My first set of rules wouldn't show the additional partitions on that card. Attached is a set of rules that will. Same drill and cautions apply.

Edited 11/13/2012. Rules updated to add mount points if needed.
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#31 Post by elroy »

rg66 wrote:Has anyone else noticed that Thunar doesn't show thumbnails even if it is checked in preferences? Also no thumbnails in Ristretto either.
Yes, I think I'll need to revisit the Thunar plugins.
rg66 wrote:I installed xfce-4.10-i486 from the repo over top...
The only problem is that version of xfce includes some 4.8.0 stuff that jemimah had included to keep some of the panel applets working. While that certainly is an option, I'm trying to get away from 4.8.0 and use only the 4.10 applets.

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Re: dumb question

#32 Post by elroy »

Marv wrote:In the repository pets, there are sometimes NLS and non-NLS versions. Aah what does NLS stand for?
Native Language Support. It allows users that don't want to use the default language (English in this case) to use their own.

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Re: USB drives

#33 Post by elroy »

Marv wrote:They have always been fine on the desktop, in thunar, and in pmount. The struggle has been with the xfce mounter plugin for the xfce4 panel. It was ok prior to xfce 4.80 and since then it hasn't,
I've fixed the lina_xfce-4.10.pet in the repo to display notifications. It can be added as a pet (and if done so, ignore the file-clobber warnings and restart X-Windows), or it can be added to an adrive build.

I'm still working on the panel mount. I can unmount mounted devices, but it still won't display devices that are not mounted.

As a side note, it you're not using the pup-volume-monitor, the devices aren't shown on the thunar side panel, but they are accessible from /dev/mnt. Also, after installing the fixed lina_xfce-4.10 pet, if you go into thunar preferences and enable the hot plugging option, when mounting via pmount, thunar will automatically open displaying the contents of the device.

EDIT: Marv, I used your 1st 60-rule with the fixed lina_xfce-4.10.pet. I see that you've posted a newer version. I'll test that out and see if I have success, and if so incorporate that into the pet. Thanks for your help :D
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#34 Post by rg66 »

elroy wrote:
rg66 wrote:I installed xfce-4.10-i486 from the repo over top...
The only problem is that version of xfce includes some 4.8.0 stuff that jemimah had included to keep some of the panel applets working. While that certainly is an option, I'm trying to get away from 4.8.0 and use only the 4.10 applets.
I was just playing around with no save file to see if I could get it to show thumbnails. Maybe not the proper fix, but good enough until 002 comes out.
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#35 Post by elroy »

rg66 wrote:
elroy wrote:
rg66 wrote:I installed xfce-4.10-i486 from the repo over top...
The only problem is that version of xfce includes some 4.8.0 stuff that jemimah had included to keep some of the panel applets working. While that certainly is an option, I'm trying to get away from 4.8.0 and use only the 4.10 applets.
I was just playing around with no save file to see if I could get it to show thumbnails. Maybe not the proper fix, but good enough until 002 comes out.
Yes, and I'm certainly not 'spanking' you for doing so. If it works, then it's not wrong. Just explaining the rational. When moving to a new base there's bound to be a few glitches, and I do apologize for that.

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#36 Post by elroy »

dawg wrote:Regarding the version numbering: why 001, and not 003, or is Lite so much different from the Carolina 003 ?
The thing is, it tends to add to the confusion, especially for newcomers, as now you have 3 distros of the same kind (Saluki, Carolina, Lina Lite -??), which, IMO, all could/should have been one. Is all this branching really necessary?
Just something to consider...

Anyhow, Lina Lite - excellent idea and much appreciated!
Thanks, elroy & everyone who contributes to it!
Yes, the lite version is very much different than Carolina-003. And it's the first supported release of the lite version, hence the different version numbering. The lite is more experimental, and may have more frequent releases than the mainstream Carolina; therefore, a different version system is required.

It really shouldn't be confusing if you read the first post on this thread. The lite version isn't intended for newbees. The standard Carolina is. Also, while Carolina is derived from Saluki, it isn't Saluki. That would be akin to saying Saluki is just another Wary. While Saluki is derived from Wary, and many of it's underpinnings are compatable, they are far from the same. The same holds true for Carolina and Saluki. Carolina is not Saluki 024. Carolina is Carolina. And Carolina lite is an experimental version intended for those that are experienced enough to understand it's concepts, while the main Carolina distro is intended for newbees/windows refugees. However, you're more than welcome to use the lite version, and we'll do our best to help you out with your questions if you should choose to use it. Just be aware that the learning curve for the lite version is steep when compared to the standard Carolina.

In a nutshell, the standard Carolina comes equipped with pretty much everything you need to have a workable distro right out of the box. The lite version includes almost nothing. It's a base package that's intended to allow users to create their own dream distro on top of the xfce-4.10 desktop/wm in a puppy environment by using Saluki-centric tools, i.e. tools that were originally developed in Saluki, but have been incorporated into Carolina.

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#37 Post by elroy »

Sage wrote:Anyone for a 50M version.....
While I could do an aprox. 50 meg version using an ancient kernel and/or text based apps, that wouldn't be much fun for an every day distro, although it may have its uses as a utility distro for fixing things via a cd/pen-drive. If one were to do that, though, it'd make more sense to do so as a console only version, almost a dos styled linux.

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#38 Post by elroy »

Sage wrote:Incidentally, it's deeply unfashionable to say anything even mildly concordant with my views on this Forum and certain other outlets for fear of currying disfavour with the usual suspects. Hope your shoulders are broad enough?
Well Sage, we've butted heads in the past. Obviously, I'm not someone that holds grudges. It isn't productive. Life is too short, and besides, we all have a common goal concerning Puppy Linux. If you're adding to the conversation, then that's a good thing, If you're being a horses arse, believe me, I'd be the first to let you know. As far as having broad enough shoulders, it should be apparent that I don't give a flying rip about what others think concerning who I converse with. In my 'real life' I'm a pit-boss at a c-a-s-i-n-o (I have to type it that way, else it displays as 'rob-you-blind'); I'm very used to confrontation. So far, concerning Carolina, I have no issues with your input. Input is most appreciated.

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#39 Post by Sage »

Too kind, el. Your genius shows through daily as well as your magnanimity. I guess folks who haven't experienced the naked brutality of academic peer revue (sic) might not understand the difference between honest dissent and camaraderie. I do what I can to report what I see in a field well outside my profession, so clearly not in your league, nor Marv, Geoff, rg & gang. I like your artistic taste, too!
Anyone for a 50M version.....
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#40 Post by rg66 »

elroy wrote: Yes, and I'm certainly not 'spanking' you for doing so. If it works, then it's not wrong. Just explaining the rational. When moving to a new base there's bound to be a few glitches, and I do apologize for that.
No worries, I certainly didn't take it to be a spanking (besides, only my wife is aloud to do that :wink: ).

I agree with your rational, if your going to go with 4.10 it might as well be all or nothing. And no need to apologize for "glitches", it is a beta after all and myself and I"m sure many more are thankfull for your efforts.
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