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Jejy69


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 13:21    Post subject:  

Ups, right, it'fixed. Smile
I added three packages :
-Abiword 2.9.2
-Skype 4.0.0.8
-Amsn 0.98.9

Hello pchan,

glad that the VLC package works, thank you. Smile

Quote:
If anything gets messed up my knowledge is at the moment not enough in order to find my way back to the way it is now. And the way it is now is great!

But of course, I am adventurous enough to take the plunge of installing cinnamon if there is a way to make it greater. And with what i see, if anybody can do it, it will most likely be you.


Thank you very much, I'm sure we can make cinnamon fully functional, you're help is welcome ! Very Happy
if I can help you with something, do not hesitate.

About Xfce, normally, it will come, I work on it, but I have some issues to fix, for example, impossible to change a theme. Confused
The basic theme stay, and it's a little ugly... Laughing
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peebee


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 13:42    Post subject:  

Wow - just gets better and better....

Samba shares work as well:

smb://sharename

and both ftp and smb can be bookmarked for future access

GREAT!
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mandibule2005

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 14:59    Post subject:  cinnamon
Subject description: broke again
 

I had success with cinnamon after installing Nvidia-Glx fron precise repo
thanks

But after reboot broke again Sad
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Jejy69


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 16:12    Post subject:  

Pcmanfm is a small cachotier, it hides some interesting options Laughing !

Hi mandibule2005,
thanks for your report, do you saved your session and reboot ?
Just to know if your Cinnamon installation works after your reboot. Smile

EDIT : ok, don't understand why it crashes... Crying or Very sad Thanks

2 more apps in Lxpup software center :
-Filezilla 3.5.3
-Astromenace 1.3.0

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smil99

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 17:51    Post subject:  

Hi jejy69,
Quote:
When, Cinnamon crashes, could you start LXDE session ( xwin startlxde ), if yes, start lxde session, run a terminal, and type 'gnome-session-cinnamon'. What is displayed?


1. After installing cinnamon on a pristine precise-lxpup-11.12, typing 'gnome-session-cinnamon' at the terminal gave the following error message:

Quote:
# gnome-session-cinnamon
gnome-session[10402]: WARNING: Could not connect to ConsoleKit: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit': no such name
gnome-session[10402]: WARNING: Could not connect to ConsoleKit: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit': no such name
gnome-session[10402]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-fallback-mount-helper.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'drive-optical.png'(should not include extension)
gnome-session[10402]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/bluetooth-applet.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'bluetooth.svg'(should not include extension)
gnome-session[10402]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/lxpolkit.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'mini-BuildingBlock.xpm'(should not include extension)

** (lxpolkit:10410): CRITICAL **: polkit_agent_listener_register_with_options: assertion `POLKIT_IS_SUBJECT (subject)' failed

(lxpolkit:10410): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.


2. After installing cinnamon on a pristine precise-lxpup-11.12, restarting X and typing 'xwin gnome-session-cinnamon' at the command prompt started cinnamon alright. However, after rebooting, one is greeted with the ' Oh no! Something has gone wrong ' error message. Restarting X with 'xwin startlxde' brings back lxde session and typing 'gnome-session-cinnamon' at the terminal gives the following error message:
Quote:
# gnome-session-cinnamon
gnome-session[13729]: libupower-glib-WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
gnome-session[13729]: WARNING: Could not connect to ConsoleKit: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
gnome-session[13729]: WARNING: Could not connect to ConsoleKit: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
gnome-session[13729]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/bluetooth-applet.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'bluetooth.svg'(should not include extension)
gnome-session[13729]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-fallback-mount-helper.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'drive-optical.png'(should not include extension)
gnome-session[13729]: EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/etc/xdg/autostart/lxpolkit.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'mini-BuildingBlock.xpm'(should not include extension)
W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).

** (lxpolkit:13737): CRITICAL **: polkit_agent_listener_register_with_options: assertion `POLKIT_IS_SUBJECT (subject)' failed

(lxpolkit:13737): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.


Hope this helps.
Cheers.

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Ray MK


Joined: 05 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 18:16    Post subject:  

Hi Jerome
SNS is working fine - using it now.

I think the problem is introduced if when using first-start, one changes the unique puppypcNAME.
If the unique puppypcNAME is left as selected - then SNS works, if the user changes it to Acer1234 for example, if seems to fail.

BK or someone knowledgeable may be able to fix it - but I don't know how to.
Maybe the correct method, is to do it later - after first setup. Not sure.

JFYI - the pdf viewer is defective - there is a fix.
I'll find it and post it, if it is not in your patch.pet.

Thanks again for a luvly Puppy. Very best regards - Ray

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okwellthen

Joined: 26 Oct 2012
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 20:34    Post subject: well this is fun ...NOT!  

FIRST OFF: I am enjoying this distro!!!!! and I am learning things before unknown... LOVE the LXDE, etc...

SECOND OFF: after downloading Cinnamon, I switched to it (more than one attempt) and only got black screen with mouse pointer...

Should I have restartedX first ???????

THIRD OFF: I uninstalled Cinnamon and I think it MIGHT have caused problem??? because when ctrl-alt-bkspce out to 'xwin mate-session' Mate will not load, nor 'xwin startlxde' will load.... it only says to type in some xorg... thing--which I did--but it only attempts to fix monitor resolution?????????

[[ maybe cinnamon uninstall uninstalled dependency causing current problems??? ]]


NOT COMPLAINING -- just want to know if theres anything COMMAND wise before reinstalling and loosing all my work thus far.....????

TIA for any assistance!


BTW I have NEVER had much success with WINE without PLAYONLINUX... and I've never seen a WINDOWS based simple Bible program fly so fast and almost completely perfect stability!!!!!


Thanks again Jerome and this community!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very Happy



PS : Is there any way to adjust backlight (applet or otherwise) in puppy??? TIA!
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cowboy


Joined: 03 Feb 2011
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Location: North America; the Western Hemisphere; Yonder

PostPosted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 23:08    Post subject: lxpup first impressions  

Jejy69,

Congrats on your efforts with the LXDE desktop. I was actually able to drag-and-drop something from a drive to the desktop, and it copied right over...astounding.

One of my great concerns with Puppy has been the reliance on other, often rather deprecated, windows managers. LXDE is in the mainstream of Linux development, and is under active, and continuing, development. I've often had the feeling that the Puppy developers have to prod our window manager devs awake now and then. If not for Puppy, JWM might have fallen by the wayside long ago, and icewm would not have hung on as long as it did. However, the "bus factor" for these efforts usually stands at 1, and I'm apprehensive about trusting data long term to such a tenuous situation.

Puppy might broadly benefit from a move to a well maintained and modern desktop; I've always been astounded at what our devs create given the thin limits of "Puppy-ness". LXDE-pup can only help Puppy's wider acceptance into the Linux stream, and should enable us to win many more converts based on positive initial impressions. Any one moving from a wider Linux audience to Puppy, and seeing that LXDE on first boot, would feel at home. There's simply a comfort level there for the broader Linux community. Nice work!

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Jejy69


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Location: Perpignan

PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:53    Post subject:  

Hello !

@smil99, thanks you for your report. Very good.
I watched it, and thanks to it, found the bug.
But, for now, I don't know how to fix it.
During the boot, Puppy must create this file, called system_bus_socket.
If we found, a solution for it, we will get cinnamon and maybe Gnome Shell.
It seems that it's a dbus error...

@Ray MK,
Thanks you to solve these issues, I'll try to see SNS, in any case, Good job. Smile

@okwellthen, sorry, but, it seems that uninstall Cinnamon break some thing, I don't know how to fix it actually.
I will create the same bug as you, to see what I can do. Smile
Meanwhile, you can start a pristine Puppy live, and take your sensitive documents to save them.

To adjust brightness, go in Menu -> Setup -> Xorg video wizard -> Monitor Gamma Calibration. Wink

@Cowboy, thanks you, I feel the same thing as you, JWM is slight, too slight for my use, I have retained the habits of windows, ubuntu, like copy and paste, change the wallpaper by right click on the desktop, support trash, the selection rectangle etc..
If it can help puppy to be better known, then this is great! Very Happy
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Volhout


Joined: 28 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:15    Post subject: Slacko version  

Hi Jejy69,

What are your plans for the updated Slacko version. Will it be Slacko 5.4 or Slacko 5.3.3 as a basis ? When do you plan to release ?
I am asking this because 5.3.3 runs very good on my netbook, and I am not sure about 5.4

Regards,

Volhout
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Jejy69


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:44    Post subject:  

Hi Volhout,

Actually, I confess I do not know.
I think, I do not know if it's a good idea, I'll keep both versions.
Slacko 5.3.3, for older PCs, and Precise for the most recent.
However, packages like cinnamon will not be available in Slacko 5.3.3.
I will update Slacko version, but can't promise recent packages. Sad
Precise/Slacko 5.4 offers a great opportunity with KMS, to grab recent games and applications.

What do you think ? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:52    Post subject: TEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  

------------------------------------------TESTERS-----------------------------------
I need testers please !
There is a new Cinnamon package and maybe I have fixed reboot issue.
I recommend to use a pristine session, so boot with puppy pfix=ram.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkmatelxde/files/cinnamon-1.6.pet/download

1/ Install
2/ Don't launch Cinnamon /!\
3/ Type in a console : "dbus-daemon --system"
4/ Reboot PC, create a save, and boot with this save.
5/ Cinnamon is automatically launched; If not "gnome-session-cinnamon"

Please let me now if it works.
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smil99

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:57    Post subject:  

@jejy69
I know this is not a solution but Cinnamon works after I renamed (to make them in-operational) the following files at /etc/xdg/autostart/
1. gnome-fallback-mount-helper.desktop
2. bluetooth-applet.desktop
3. lxpolkit.desktop

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 12:02    Post subject:  

@jejy69
Just saw the new cinnamon after posting above. Downloading now. will give you feedback soon.

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Oct 2012, 13:12    Post subject:  

@jejy69
I followed your instructions about the new cinnamon installation and got the following results:
The reboot after installing cinnamon went through without a hitch. Smile
However, my joy was short-lived when I was greeted again with the infamous 'Oh! know ...' error message and several reboots couldn't bring back cinnamon Sad .
Rebooting to lxde with the command 'xwin startlxde' was ok though.
I then tried rebooting by typing 'dbus-daemon --system' at the console before using the 'xwin' command and presto! cinnamon came back to life again. Very Happy

I can deduce from the above scenarios that perhaps 'dbus-daemon --system' needs to be triggered before cinnamon starts. Obviously, this is not persistent in subsequent reboots/bootings after the first reboot.
Hope this helps to narrow down the problem.

Cheers.

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