Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[oldyeller]

Hello Everyone

The Kennel is such a nice place to play, especially with all the new pups coming out like Precise, Slacko, Dpup and many more yet to come.

I like precise even though with the pae kernel I will not be able to use it very will on my machine. but that is ok will test even though things don't work so well.

I have tested puppies that I only use once and than that is it. Like to test new ones who others have done to help keep things going. I don't do a lot of different things with all the programs only use just a few so that is what I test for if what I use works. than let them now if it does or does not.

Your right on puppyluvr

Cheers

[rjbrewer]

RC1 is running very well on my MSI netbook.

It's nice to finally have a woof build with an mplayer
that can play full screen.

It would run even better on the 1.6 Gb Pentium M
processor in my Inspiron 700M.
Unfortunately it won't run with this horrible BUG known as
a PAE kernel.
It's downright ridiculus that a machine that will easily run
Win7 or Mac SnowLeopard is off limits to a Puppy version
just so a few wealthy weirdos can use insane amounts of
ram.

The whole PAE notion is a total antithesis of the original
stated purpose of Puppy's creation.

[James C]

+1

My hardware goes up to 16 Gb of ram and I don't run a PAE kernel..

[rjbrewer]

[bigpup]

+2

PAE support is a good option to offer for computers that support it, but what are the computers Precise Puppy is designed for? Just those computers?

[shinobar]

The ffmpeg on the precise puppy has no capability to encode MPEG4-AVC(h264/aac).
I prepared libav-extra-0.8.3-up.pet to enhance extra encoding audio/video.
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/precise/

The pet contains the libraries from the next 11 ubuntu packages.

libavcodec-extra-53_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libavdevice-extra-53_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libavfilter-extra-2_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libavformat-extra-53_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libavutil-extra-51_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libdirac-encoder0_1.0.2-4build1_i386.deb
libopenjpeg2_1.3+dfsg-4_i386.deb
libpostproc-extra-52_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libswscale-extra-2_0.8.3ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb
libvo-aacenc0_0.1.1-2_i386.deb
libvo-amrwbenc0_0.1.1-2_i386.deb

NOTE: Use 'libvo-aacenc' instead of 'libfaac' for the ffconvert MPEG4-AVC encoding.

[mcewanw]

I would like to test Precise RC1 but unfortunately, having just downloaded it, I have discovered that the PAE kernel does not run on my machine (a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo laptop with Pentium M processor)

I'll do my best to try it from a usb stick on my partners desktop when I can push my way onto that sometime.

[ozsouth]

Guys, this is based on Ubuntu, which now has a policy of only issuing PAE versions, due to most PCs being able to run it. I think Barry is simply following suit. There are lots of great non-PAE puppies still being developed. I use Luci-001.005 (non-PAE) from Playdayz on a laptop with 3gb ram - it's an update of 529 & it's great. Check it out.

[mcewanw]

[mcewanw]

I haven't had a chance to test the new Precise yet owing to PAE kernel not working on the computer I usually use.

Just wanting to note that the previous version doesn't recognise video container ogv, which is the recommended extension for Theora video with vorbis ogg audio. So I wish to request that be fixed if not already done so since it is one of the optional containers used in pAVrecord Video/webcam recorder for which I'm producing a version to work on Precise.

[Greatnessguru]

Barry,
Please be sure to include SeaMonkey 2.13.1.

SeaMonkey 2.12.x has a nasty SVG bug:
Bug 790144 - SVG "stroke" hangs SeaMonkey 2.12.x and Firefox 15.0.x. Regression.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790144

That hang seems to happen with any SVG file
containing any kind of line that also has the
"stroke" thingy specified, which is needed
for the line to appear!

Therefor, I would classify SeaMonkey 2.13.1
as an "Essential bug fix".

Thank you very much,
Eddie Maddox

[Ray MK]

Report Video 1.3 - Wed 17 Oct 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.96 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
oem: Intel(r)852MG/852MGE/855MG/855MGE Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)852MG/852MGE/855MG/855MGE Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel
X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Generally all seems good - very nicely setup - (fonts etc)
FYI - sys-report.

[aragon]

The actual choice of the coulour-sheme might attract some, but in my opinion it's a little usability-nightmare.

As an example please try to find the marked text in the attached pic. For my eyesight it's nearly impossible.

aragon

[mikeslr]

Hi Guys:

My initial report, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=658725#658725 indicated the absence of problems even though my computer has Ati Radeon 3100 Graphics. In the main, this is still correct. However, I noticed that sometimes the colors used in dialogues made them difficult to read. See attached. So I decided to experiment to find out if any of the amd_fglrx drivers might work, even though they weren't built for this kernel. [In Exprimo, the driver built under the 3.4.2 kernel actually worked with the 3.6.2 kernel]. Neither amd_fglrx-12.8-precise-k3.2.28 nor k3.2.29 worked. Both rendered the OS sort of unstable: to activate the driver, you have to exit X and type aticonfig --initial; exiting X hung the system. Closest was the aforementioned fglrx driver from Exprimo. It just sometimes reduced graphics to a crawl.

@ ozsouth: There are obvious advantages to having a Puppy which is able to utilize Ubuntu application binaries. But Puppy isn't Ubuntu. We are not trying to compete with Windows7 by providing an alternative fancy and equally bloated system. Puppy's advantage, whether employed on modern, state-of-the-art, or older, resource-limited computers is its low-ram & CPU usage and the ease with which applications can be initiated. With the possible exception of hardware drivers, there are no applications which if built under PAE-enabled kernels won't run on non-PAE enabled kernels. The only advantage a PAE-enabled kernel has over a non-PAE enabled kernel-with-smp is that the former can make use of more than 4GB of RAM. That advantage is of little significance in an OS designed to function with as little as 128 to 256 Megs of RAM, and fly with 1Gb of RAM. As far as I know, there are no computers which can manage more than 4Gbs of RAM which aren't also able to handle 64-bit operating systems. Comparison tests between software run under PAE-enabled and non-PAE-but-smp-enabled computers reveal at best an imperceptible (mili-second) advantage to the former in some cases, and even a disadvantage in others, while 64-bit systems have a clear advantage. So while it makes sense to build 64-bit systems, and 32-bit-smp-enabled systems, it is unlikely that there are a significant number of computers users which actually would benefit from a PAE-enabled system. And certainly not using a Puppy.
T2 builds such as Quirky/Racy or even Carolina are not substitutes for a Ubuntu-binary-compatible Puppy. As building a non-PAE Ubuntu compatible Puppy is possible --it's already been done a couple of times with the 3 Series Kernels-- and as Barry K is an innovator rather than a follower, as I said before I hope he reconsiders concentrating his efforts on a PAE-enabled kernel.

mikesLr

[666philb]

hi mikeslr,

i believe your radeon 3100 card requires a different driver , amd now have two drivers, and the one i compilied and is in the repo, is the wrong driver for you. i didn't realise there where 2 drivers for amd or i would have mentioned it on my post. http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeon_linux.aspx

the driver is easy enough to compile it yourself, a .pet would be nice though