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How to boot puppy from windows XP with grub4dos
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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2012, 00:02    Post subject:  How to boot puppy from windows XP with grub4dos
Subject description: NO CD needed (frugal install into XP = easy , fast, simple)		  
Download grub4dos from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/files/GRUB4DOS/grub4dos%200.4.4/grub4dos-0.4.4.zip/download
Open grub4dos-0.4.4.zip
Extract grldr and menu.lst to C:\

Add this line to the end of file C:\boot.ini :
Code:
C:\grldr="show grub4dos menu"


Download the puppy ISO file you want (for example wary 5.2.2)
Create a new folder in C: called Wary-5.2.2
Extract all files from ISO to C:\Wary-5.2.2\

Modify file C:\menu.lst to this :
Code:
default 0
color cyan/blue white/blue
timeout 5

title Wary 5.2.2 frugall install
root (hd0,0)
kernel /Wary-5.2.2/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 psubdir=Wary-5.2.2
initrd /Wary-5.2.2/initrd.gz

Reboot, you will have the choice between xp and grub4dos menu.
Last edited by linuxcbon on Mon 27 Jan 2014, 20:29; edited 12 times in total
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GustavoYz


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jan 2012, 05:37    Post subject:  
Really nice tips, but wondering if that will bring Win** fragmentation issues as has been reported before.
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 22:29    Post subject: Puppy Linux Windows Installer  
Nice, but using Puppy Linux Windows Installer is easier and safe.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61404
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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun 2012, 09:41    Post subject:  
Windows needs defragmentation before.
This method is manual, the fastest and easiest.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun 2012, 12:42    Post subject: Re: How to multi-boot puppy from xp
Subject description: Easiest way, no cd needed		  
linuxcbon wrote:
...
Modify C: menu.lst to this :
Code:
default 0
color cyan/blue white/blue
timeout 20
title Puppy Linux
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0
initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.gz


Add this line to the end C: boot.ini :
Code:
C:\grldr="Wary 5.2.2"


Reboot, you will have the choice between xp and puppy.
You can also add other distributions to menu.lst .


No criticism but if one want to add other Puppies in frugal install
then it would be better if one start from scratch and make the menu.lst
more like this


Code:
default 0
color cyan/blue white/blue
timeout 20
title Puppy Linux Wary 5.2.2
kernel (hd0,0)/Wary522/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 psubdir=Wary522
initrd (hd0,0)/Wary522initrd.gz


a separate directory for Wary522 would allow you to add
a dir for Lupu 528 and for Slacko and Saluki and FatDog and ...

All of them being in their own sub dir allow for savefile to be in that subdir
and that way none of the other puppies would ask if you want to load the savefile on the root to be loaded?
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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun 2012, 12:56    Post subject:  
You are right nooby, I modify the howto.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jun 2012, 01:45    Post subject:  
Thanks linuxcbon.

I know too little and my memory fade too fast for my liking
but this one root=/dev/ram0

didn't we have a debate on it some days or weeks ago and
concluded it is not needed? Or is that my memory messing it up?

How did you find out that it is really needed? Smile

Edit my poor memory gets worse everyday. Here it is
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=628570#628570

Quote:
"Starting with Puppy 3, that option was eliminated."

So no wonder I got confused about that one. I had written on it two times
but forgot all about it. Now you know Smile Remind me next time I do forget again.
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Hugh


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Sep 2012, 00:44    Post subject:  
Thanks linuxcbon for this simple and straight-
forward procedure. I've done it on my
most recently acquired older comuter which
has XP and it works wonderfully.

I am a great fan of Grub4Dos - I use it on all
of my machines.

The line which is added to boot.ini:
Code:
C:\grldr="show grub menu"


includes the text to be displayed in the
boot menu. In mine I've changed the
"show grub menu" to "Grub Puppy Menu."
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Sep 2012, 12:44    Post subject:  
There's a bit of important information missing here. In most Windows installs, boot.ini is a hidden system file. So the user needs to know how to unhide it.

[Update] Here's how:

1. Run Start > Run > cmd

2. Type the following commands
Code:
cd \  (this is a backslash)
attrib -r -h -s boot.ini
edit boot.ini


3. Modify the file and save it. You can also edit the menu.lst file if you want.

4. Run
Code:
attrib +r +h +s boot.ini

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amigo

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Sep 2012, 05:04    Post subject:  
Yeah, you need to unhide and make writable the boot.ini file before modifying it, and changes these attributes back when finished.
The XP bootloader can chainload any other bootloader you like, grub, grub2, grub4dos, syslinux, lilo, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Sep 2012, 07:22    Post subject:  
amigo wrote:
Yeah, you need to unhide and make writable the boot.ini file before modifying it, and changes these attributes back when finished.
The XP bootloader can chainload any other bootloader you like, grub, grub2, grub4dos, syslinux, lilo, etc.

HOW ?
An example boot.ini line would be nice .
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /NOEXECUTE=OPTIN /FASTDETECT
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Safe mode)" /BASEVIDEO /SOS
c:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows XP recovery console" /CMDCONS
c:\linux.bin="Grub (loader)"

http://askubuntu.com/questions/115993/how-to-add-ubuntu-to-the-windows-xp-boot-ini-file
which does pre-require installing grub (bootloader) to the superblock of the linux partition and dd the mbr-of-the-linux-superblock simply into / toplevel of windows . Never have tried that .

BTW : Vista seems not to have a "boot.ini" file . find -iname "boot.ini" showed nothing .
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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2012, 08:35    Post subject:  
Karl

Vista and Windows 7 boot in a different way to XP. It does not use a boot.ini file but a Boot Configuration Data (BCD) source. This is a binary file/database.

To edit the BCD you have to use a command line tool, BCDEDIT, in Windows or get hold of a freebie graphical editor -there is one from Neowin.
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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2012, 09:01    Post subject: How to boot puppy from windows XP with grub4dos  
ICPUG/Karl

Gentlemen there is actually no need to edit anything on the C: drive if you use the boot method described here:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80181

Post subject: How to Dual boot Puppy & XP from ANY removable media.
Subject description: (A simplified Lin`N`Win type method using syslinux & grub4dos)

I realise however that the original subject of this thread was "How to boot puppy from windows XP with grub4dos"
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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2012, 08:10    Post subject:  
True enough ETP.

The Lin'N'Win approach was written to cater for people who did not have bootable USB in the BIOS or even a CD drive so it had to boot from the hard drive.

That's not so relevant with current hardware but I still like to boot straight away without the need to plug a stick in or load a CD. Each has there own preferences.

Good work though for making your approach available.
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slenkar

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct 2012, 13:04    Post subject:  
I unzipped an ISO image of legacyOS2 and Im trying to boot that instead of having to burn a cd
I get this message..

looking for puppy sda1...sda2...sda3....

cant find puppy on bootable media
pdev1=

my iso was unzipped to /legacy
grub can find vmlinz and initrd and the root is set as /legacy
so I dont know why this happens

EDIT. if i move the sfs files to the root the installation process goes further but then says kernel panic: cannot mount fs to block
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