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Slacko 5.4 - FINAL 2 Dec 2012
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Sep 2012, 07:02    Post subject: Re: alsa ...  

01micko wrote:
i have made possibly a significant discovery with alsa.

As we know, alsa is far from perfect. Recently, my onboard sound died and I have been using a usb cheapy. When I plugged my radoen graphics card in the usb card became card 2 (onboard 0, radeon hdmi 1).

I disbaled the onboard in bios and it became 1. No probs, set it up with MultipleSoundCardWizard. Too easy.

Ok, so I took out the radeon and am now using the onboard nvidia graphics, I normally run a card, it's faster, frees up machine RAM, plus more VRAM. However, with no other sound cards the stupid usb thing still shows up as card 1! Of course alsa spat the dummy! No sound Confused .

So, ever the tweaker I decided to investigate. Well, running aplay -l certainly confirmed that the card is indeed number 1. I could get sound no problems with gnome-mplayer (it can talk to the card directly), even setup retrovol (manually) no problem but alsa itself still wasn't working.

So, it dawned on me to run MultipleSoundCardWizard and select the one and only #1. Rebooted and it's all good.

I just wonder how many others could solve their sound issues this easily? It will be going into the release notes.


Mick I have similar setup, the same problem and the same solution . . .
I also used to just unplug from one card and plug into the other
if changing to a puppy without sound (seem to remember doing this with fatdog)

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Sep 2012, 19:15    Post subject: Slacko-5.3.5.3  

Slacko-5.3.5.3

Tried installing pwidgets... both 2.3.8-pr20 and 2.4.0
Both installed and worked OK except both will not show the 'weather icons' (just a small rectangle box appears.)

Wifi setup was easy however, for the rt2800usb I had to use frisbee, regular SNS would not setup Wifi. It works nice and configures itself on bootup, even dropped once but automatically reconfigured itself again... very nice!

Graphics... simply beautiful!

On to more lots more testing over the weekend.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Sep 2012, 21:22    Post subject:
Subject description: pwidgets - no pdingobats?
 

G'day,

Just to confirm sszindian's missing weather icon from pwidgets (and the drive-icon with the puppyspace widget). Missing in some other recent other pups too.

From the pwidget config files, I think these icons seem to be in TTF pdingobats. Which is in /usr/share/fonts when I look there.

So it's a puzzle for me.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Sep 2012, 21:35    Post subject: Re: Slacko-5.3.5.3  

sszindian wrote:
Slacko-5.3.5.3

Tried installing pwidgets... both 2.3.8-pr20 and 2.4.0
Both installed and worked OK except both will not show the 'weather icons' (just a small rectangle box appears.)


pwidgets-2.3.7 works fine in 5.3.3...if u try it, let us know if the icins play
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep 2012, 02:34    Post subject:  

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However, with no other sound cards the stupid usb thing still shows up as card 1! Of course alsa spat the dummy! No sound .


See:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80670
and
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=79829
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2012, 05:46    Post subject:  

@sszindian and davids45

Weird how the weather font fails to show. It shows in abiword/libreoffice. Must be something to do with the very old version of conky used in pwidgets. I'm afraid there isn't much that can be done about that as pwidgets is largely unsupported now days.

http://www.dafont.com/weather.font is a possible alternate font for weather only. Scripts will need hacking though... any takers?

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2012, 06:21    Post subject:  

Pwidgets should be rewritten to use svg/gtkdialog. Gtk2desklet could be a perfect framework - any takers Smile


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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2012, 13:18    Post subject: Slacko - next cycle -beta
Subject description: xfe file explorer
 

I made and tested an sfs of the latest xfe file explorer in slacko 5.3.5.3 beta.

The download link is:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-4ed8c23f.html
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 05:37    Post subject: alsaconf removed from official Slacware  

Hmm.. I reported it here that alsaconf is broken.

Pat has removed it from official Slackware.

The Slackware Changelogs

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Mon Sep 10 22:19:55 UTC 2012
a/sysvinit-scripts-2.0-noarch-9.txz: Rebuilt.
In rc.M, make sure we are actually returning from runlevel 1 before trying
to restart udev. Thanks to Cal Peake.
a/udev-182-i486-5.txz: Rebuilt.
Don't enable autosuspend for some HID devices. With a 3.5+ kernel, this
might cause these input devices to become non-responsive.
Thanks to Patrick Verner.
ap/alsa-utils-1.0.26-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
Removed alsaconf, which does not work with kmod.
l/alsa-lib-1.0.26-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
l/gdk-pixbuf2-2.26.1-i486-2.txz: Rebuilt.
Patched update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders to fix output on multilib systems.
Thanks to Cal Peake.
l/seamonkey-solibs-2.12.1-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
This is a bugfix release.
x/scim-1.4.14-i486-2.txz: Rebuilt.
Compile using --with-gtk-version=2 to fix problems with scim-setup.
Thanks to Thomas Choi and alienBOB.
xap/seamonkey-2.12.1-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
This is a bugfix release.
+--------------------------+


So? What do WE do? I reckon follow suit, else it means rolling back to the old module-init-tools which will have to be recompiled against current libraries.

Oooh.. we will be getting latest alsa-lib-1.0.26 .. maybe it will work better? I'm particularly interested in old sound-blasters. I have 2 that really needed alsaconf, but my mobos that used them both died. I need an ISA mobo! I have RAM and CPUs (old coppermines and pc100 RAM). Anyone in SE Queensland got a spare?

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 06:58    Post subject:  

It'll be a long wait, but I have a Skt7, (maybe later old Intel cr*p?) with an ISA slot. You are bang-on about ISA sound cards - inifinitely superior to modern junk. Many have on-board audio OP sufficient to fill a small-medium room on decent speakers.
Let me know.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 17:56    Post subject:  

Can somebody else test this?

If I do a frugal install of Slacko 5353 in a subfolder and use the psubdir argument, it works fine.

But if I install it at the root of a partition, so I don't need psubdir, it fails with "can't find the sfs file".

Slacko 533 works correctly, as does the latest Precise.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 19:09    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Can somebody else test this?

If I do a frugal install of Slacko 5353 in a subfolder and use the psubdir argument, it works fine.

But if I install it at the root of a partition, so I don't need psubdir, it fails with "can't find the sfs file".

Slacko 533 works correctly, as does the latest Precise.


What bootloader are you using?

I just tried with grub4dos, here's the menu.lst entry:
Code:
title Puppy slacko 5.3.5.3 test2 (sdb7)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /initrd.gz
  kernel /vmlinuz  pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
  initrd /initrd.gz


Works fine.


EDIT: I take that back! Fails with a thud!

It was booting off of my sfs in /dev/sda1. I hid that and got failure.

Also, a woof level bug is exposed when you have more than one HDD (I have 3). It only searches the first to save, or maybe it searches the HD it booted off, I'll need to check that, but I suspect the former because if it only checks the disk you booted off, why stop there? Should just check the partition you booted off if that is the case.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 19:45    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
EDIT: I take that back! Fails with a thud!

That's a relief. I was pretty sure that it couldn't just be me. Wink

Like I said, it works OK in the latest Precise. At what stage would this bug have sneaked in?
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2012, 20:08    Post subject:  

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At what stage would this bug have sneaked in?


No idea, but I need to sync with latest woof and go from there. I can't see anything I would have done, as I don't touch the initrd, which is where something like this would occur, which leaves the kernel, and I doubt that, though not discounting it altogether.

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 14:50    Post subject: GRUB4DOS/Boot management failures  

01Micko wrote:
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EDIT: I take that back! Fails with a thud!
It was booting off of my sfs in /dev/sda1. I hid that and got failure. ...
I reported something along these lines to Shinobar weeks ago requesting explanation. Maybe he's working on it.

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