Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012

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#441 Post by rerwin »

bigpup wrote:Frugal install with save file.
The pet does not work for me, but I may be using it wrong.
I got back to using nouveau driver.
Installed pet.
Rebooted.
Boots to point of running X server and stops with blinking line top left of screen.
Am I doing it right?

Output of:
lspci -nn:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV37GL [Quadro PCI-E Series] [10de:00fd] (rev a2)

sh-4.1# grep '10de' /tmp/udevtrace.log
add_0000:01:00.0_pci_0x10de_0x00fd_pci:v000010DEd000000FDsv000010DEsd00000215bc03sc00i00
sh-4.1#
Thanks, bigpup, for trying the pet package. Given the info you provided, it would seem that the logic should work as intended for your card. The main thing to verify is that there is a hidden flag file:
/tmp/.nouveau_modeset_0.
(Click the eye option in rox, to see it.)

If it is not present, then the rules file is faulty. If it is present, then either the config file is incorrect or the flag gets set too late for the loading of the module. Both pieces were cloned from the lucid pup files for the i915 module.

With the i915 case, when used outside of the lupu distro (with other kernels), the results were intermittent at best. So, this technique may be inadequate.

Another way to test the concept is to restore the version of nouveau.conf that sets the mode to 1 and modify it to set 0. If that works, it would confirm that the flag is too late.
Richard

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#442 Post by mrokosz »

VLC posted earlier on this forum does not work, but vlc based on gtk posted by Pemasu works great.

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#443 Post by BarryK »

01micko wrote:There is a bug in report-video if xorgwizard is used to generate xorg.conf. In the case of radeon. On probing, fbdev and vesa are inserted in the xorg.conf as fallbacks I presume. When studying the /var/log/Xorg.0.log it is clear that radeon is loaded and working correctly. I used xorgwizard to get 24bit colour depth as the auto config was 16 (see above). Here is the out put of report-video:

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# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.72 on Thu 30 Aug 2012

Chip description:
 0.0 VGA compatible controller
 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]  
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS)
product: CEDAR 01.00
 
X Server: Xorg
Driver used: vesa

X.Org version: 1.11.3
  dimensions:    1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes 

   ...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
Here is the offending line in report-video; (@line 69)

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# grep '^.*Driver ' /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -iv '^#\|mouse\|kbd\|synaptics'
	### Available Driver options are:-
	Driver      "radeon" #card0driver
	### Available Driver options are:-
	Driver      "fbdev"
	### Available Driver options are:-
	Driver      "vesa"
...piped to tail -1 which gives the vesa result. Perhaps we should go back to the old method of scanning for #card0driver if a full xorg.conf is present.

xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log attched
It looks like the syntax of line 69 is wrong. Try this:

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grep '^.*Driver ' /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i -v -E '^#|mouse|kbd|synaptics'
Well, no, this would be better:

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grep '^[^#]*Driver ' /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i -v -E 'mouse|kbd|synaptics'
...the first grep will find any line with "Driver " in it and not preceded by a "#" -- and the grep will pickup a # anywhere before "Driver " not just in column 1.
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Re: zoneinfo at beta4

#444 Post by BarryK »

shinobar wrote:Still i cannot find 'Asia/Tokyo' in timezone selection, but found 'Japan'.

For a fix, the 'find' command need '-L' option:
/usr/sbin/quicksetup line 417 is to be

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  ZONEINFO="`find -L /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f | grep -v '\.tab$' | grep -v -E 'Greenwich|UCT|Universal|Zulu|posix|right' | sed -e 's%/usr/share/zoneinfo/%%' | sed -e 's%Etc/%%' | tr ' ' '_' | sort | tr '\n' ' '`"
Thanks, I have applied a fix, a bit different. It will be in next upload of Woof.
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#445 Post by BarryK »

LateAdopter wrote:Hello Billtoo

According to Xorg your RV530 is supported by the r300g driver which has gallium 3D built-in

But in this puppy /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so is missing, while r600_dri.so is there.

I expect you could get it from the Ubuntu repo. Then it should work.

There is some r300 firmware already but I don't know whether it is complete.

A search of the Ubuntu repo for r300 would show you.

I expect r100 and r200 stuff also needs to be added to this puppy for other cards.
The third beta4, 5.2.73, has r300_dri.so.
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#446 Post by Ray MK »

JFYI - 5.2.73 seems fine on my 10 yr old Acer laptop.
All three Beta 4‘s seem very good with no obvious failures.

Users with more recent laptops and built in wifi might find it more convenient to have a suspend / resume option in the final build - providing of course it does not introduce potential failure or complication.

If I had to choose one, difficult choice, but would probably go for 5.2.72 - just seems slightly more responsive with no apparent penalties.

Many thanks again for all that you do - very best regards - Ray
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#447 Post by BarryK »

feelsub wrote:Precise beta3 on core5, 4gb ram
We are currently testing beta4, all three of them (5.2.71, 5.2.72, 5.2.73) -- see my blog for explanation of differences.
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Re: Merging Precise-Updates

#448 Post by BarryK »

LateAdopter wrote:I failed the intelligence test on merging precise-updates in the Package Manager

When doing an update it asks whether you want to merge and says Enter to decline. But I couldn't work out what to do to accept.

I ended up with separate databases for the updates.

The trouble is that, if you want to install from the update, the package manager only offers local files and not the repo.

Any suggestion as to how I accept merging the databases?

Thanks
Oh, yes. I use that script in Woof, where we usually know that pressing any other printable character then press ENTER, means the opposite of just ENTER.

Ok, I have improved the explanation. This is script '0setup' in Woof.

Apart from that, why are you upgrading the package lists? There is no need to. You are testing Precise Puppy beta4, which is built with the latest package lists.
This will always be the situation, if you are using a recently-Woof-built Puppy.
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#449 Post by BarryK »

mavrothal wrote:
feelsub wrote: Unfortunately, in PPM no simple image editor ( rotate, lossless crop, compress)
....
Download and activate the ubuntu-universe repo that is not included in 5.2.7x. Has most of these.
BTW you may want to inactivate one of the activated repos since PPM has trouble handling more than 5.
The next release will have a more sensible default list of repos, including 'universe'.
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#450 Post by BarryK »

scabz wrote:
feelsub wrote:Precise beta3 on core5, 4gb ram

Seeems promising, but:

Bug: Gimp 2.8.x or LibreOffice installs correctly, but at run I get a :
Opening '/root/%U' failed: No such file or directory

Unfortunately, in PPM no simple image editor ( rotate, lossless crop, compress)
No : Picasa, gThumb, F-Spot, Gimp 2.8.2 (but 2.6.x and fails to run)
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7152/1

http://techcityinc.com/2009/03/23/10-be ... for-linux/

I also regret the absence in PPM of Chrome 21.x
I didn't check about availabilty &run of photorec6.14, skype, openshot 1.4.x, mediatagger.

I would also head for ffmpeg 0.11 latest build ( has fixes for synch issues - some I reported - before official 0.11.2) as supports more codecs including wma lossless.

Thanks

In the meantime I revert to lupulibre528.005-2
if the gimp 2.8.2 i post is the one you installed it should not have the Opening '/root/%U' failed: No such file or directory problem, i always fix that, it is in the .desktop file located at /usr/share/applications/gimp.desktop , where it say Exec=gimp-2.8 %U remove the "%U". again my pet should not have that problem i always fix that. if it does that for LibreOffice then it is the same way to fix it.
Ok, I have applied a generic fix in PPM. See comment in my blog post:

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#451 Post by LateAdopter »

Hello BarryK

Thanks for the answer.
Apart from that, why are you upgrading the package lists? There is no need to. You are testing Precise Puppy beta4, which is built with the latest package lists.
Since the package manager seems to handle dependencies well, I thought I would try the ultimate test. That is to install VLC with its hundreds of dependencies from the Ubuntu repo and see what happened!

The main precise repo has VLC 2.01 which is quite buggy, but the precise-updates has VLC 2.03, which is the current version.

There seems to be a problem with the package manager, though. Now that I have a lot of user loaded packages, it takes an infinite amount of time to do the package search. It worked OK to start with.

I treat installing .debs as a one-way ticket. So I'll delete the save file and start again!

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#452 Post by 01micko »

I found an interesting OpenGL benchmark and compiled it for Slacko, but it does work in Precise with one added dependant lib:

libglew1.5_1.5.7.is.1.5.2 (type it in PPM search box, dont get the other version!)

Results for me are identical in Slacko and Precise on my Radeon Cedar card.

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Re: nvidia driver

#453 Post by BarryK »

shinobar wrote:nvidia-glx-304.43-k3.2.28.sfs is available.
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/precise/
Works on Puppy precise beta4 5.2.71 and 73, but does not with 5.2.72.
Made by the getnvidia-0.7.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72405

Usage:
1. Boot presice beta4(exept 72) with boot parameter 'puppy pfix=nox'.
2. Run 'xorgwizard', choose 'vesa'.
3. 'xwin' to get graphical desktop.
4. Click the nvidia-glx-304.43-k3.2.28.sfs and choose 'Install'.
5. Skip the launcher 'Nvidia config'.
6. Run 'xorgwizard', choose 'probe'.
Thanks, I have uploaded this, and your Gimp SFS, to ibiblio, see my blog post:

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Re: function4puppy4 corrections, take 4

#454 Post by BarryK »

rerwin wrote:Barry,
I tested forcing ("adding") use of a module that has a firmware package and found the the package still does not get copied into place. That was the major reason I updated functions4puppy4 -- to obtain firmware from a directory instead of a tarball. Here is a corrected version and the related difference file.

Please consider adding this to woof before releasing a precise candidate. Thanks.
Richard
Thanks, done, it will be in the next upload of Woof.
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Re: Precise Puppy beta4, August 30, 2012

#455 Post by BarryK »

Billtoo wrote:I compiled vlc-2.0.3 and qt-4.8.2 in precise puppy.

vlc is about a 12mb download and qt-4.8.2 is about 45mb.

The download link for qt is:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-97ac889a.html

The download link for vlc is:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-bc2923b8.html
Nice, but I won't host these on ibiblio nor can they be added to PPM, as they need to be split into EXE, DEV, DOC and NLS pets.
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82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE works!

#456 Post by rerwin »

I have, at last, tried precise pup on my IBM NetVista with the problematic 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device. Much to my amazement, it "just works"! Even though the i915 modeset=1 is in effect. In lucid pup, I had to have it set at 0 to get past the black screen issue. Several other puppies with various kernels seemed to have the black screen problem. But I am pleased that this long-term-support puppy is not one of them.

Now the problem appears to be with the nouveau driver and black screens.
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#457 Post by rjbrewer »

Using Htop to observe "load averages" while watching
videos; I get about 10 times the load average reading with
Precise compared to Lucid or Wary.

There isn't any temperature differences or or other
indications of overload??

Edit:
The videos are slightly smoother and more solid on the
other Puppies.

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#458 Post by BHINTZ »

I would certainly support inclusion of suspend/resume as part of the standard OS. yr1945 suggested acpitool-0.5.1.2 which seems to work fine as long as I directly initiate the sleep function (I made a short cut to desktop). However, it does not respond to closing the lid.

pupshutdown does not include a suspend on my machine (dell latitude D630)
but I am leaving it installed as it might be necessary for current functioning.

This is very quick, but does not retain log in information when shut down and restarted later. It does retain this information over sleep/resume.

An excellent version. Many thanks

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Re: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE works!

#459 Post by 01micko »

rerwin wrote:I have, at last, tried precise pup on my IBM NetVista with the problematic 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device. Much to my amazement, it "just works"! Even though the i915 modeset=1 is in effect. In lucid pup, I had to have it set at 0 to get past the black screen issue. Several other puppies with various kernels seemed to have the black screen problem. But I am pleased that this long-term-support puppy is not one of them.

Richard
Hi Richard

There are 2 reasons for this.

1) KMS was not configured properly in k2.6.33.2 which shipped with Lucid. I doubt that it would have made a difference for Brookdales anyway.

2) The last couple of years have seen some big improvements in KMS and the Xorg drivers. They have now deprecated UMS. So if KMS doesn't work the only option is Vesa.
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#460 Post by bigpup »

rerwin wrote:Thanks, bigpup, for trying the pet package. Given the info you provided, it would seem that the logic should work as intended for your card. The main thing to verify is that there is a hidden flag file:
/tmp/.nouveau_modeset_0.
(Click the eye option in rox, to see it.)

If it is not present, then the rules file is faulty. If it is present, then either the config file is incorrect or the flag gets set too late for the loading of the module. Both pieces were cloned from the lucid pup files for the i915 module.

With the i915 case, when used outside of the lupu distro (with other kernels), the results were intermittent at best. So, this technique may be inadequate.

Another way to test the concept is to restore the version of nouveau.conf that sets the mode to 1 and modify it to set 0. If that works, it would confirm that the flag is too late.
Richard
/tmp/.nouveau_modeset_0 file is present.

/etc/modeprobe.d/nouveau.conf
At present has this:

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install nouveau \
 [ -e /tmp/.nouveau_modeset_0 ] \
  && /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install nouveau modeset=0 $CMDLINE_OPTS \
  || ( [ -e /tmp/.nouveau_nomodeset ] \
        && /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install nouveau $CMDLINE_OPTS \
        || /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install nouveau modeset=1 $CMDLINE_OPTS )
What should I change in this code?
I am using the Vesa driver, after booting pfix=nox and using Xorgwizard to select Vesa. Did it make the changes you are talking about to this file?
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