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Apparently identical URLs act different

#1 Post by sfeeley »

Ok, this is a weird question, and perhaps I'm going mad. :D

For a long time I've kept a richtextfile (made with abiword) to keep notes on webpages and the like related to puppy linux and other stuff.

Today, when I tried to go back to some of those pages by cutting and pasting the web addresses from that files, I'd get a webpage with this error:
The topic or post you requested does not exist
But if I find the same page, by searching the forums, it has the exact same address that I put in!

Even wierder: I thought, well maybe there's some sort of hidden code attached to the richtext. So I cut and past everything into a new text file in geany. And then cut and paste from there. I still get the same behavior.

Even wierder yet: In the geany text file, I can have two addresses that look identical to me:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... ?t‭=‬68200
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68200

The first gets the missing webpage error.
The second gets me to the proper page! (on Openbox/fbpanel) The only difference is that this second instance was cut and paste today, not weeks earlier as in the first instance.

For what its worth I'm using Firefox 13.0.1

Am I missing something?!?!?

PS-- I tried the links above, on the "preview before posting page" and still got the same experience

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#2 Post by Flash »

I can confirm that the two URLs do what you say. They are not the same. I cannot find the difference either. :?

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#3 Post by darkcity »

Hi,

You were correct the first time, there are some hidden characters in the url from your archive.

Pasting into geany does not reveal them. Paste them into terminal emulator urxvt shows additional question marks

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... ?t?=?68200

paste this back into browser and deleting additional question mark restores the link.

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#4 Post by Semme »

Correct. Why this happens I can't (yet) explain.. Both Opera & FF- NO cache..

NOGO >> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t[b]?[/b]=?68200

Or Bogus=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 80%AC68200

GO >> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68200

So what's wrong with our bogus line...php?t%?
Last edited by Semme on Sat 21 Jul 2012, 22:31, edited 2 times in total.

Dewbie

#5 Post by Dewbie »

I'm on a WinXP box right now.

First link has hidden characters, which show up in IE8 URL box as squares.
(in same positions as last two question marks from Semme's post)

Second link works OK.

(I usually save URLs in e-mail drafts folder.)

Bruce B

#6 Post by Bruce B »

I think generally speaking AbiWord has been a fine looking editor with quirks.

The SeaMonkey Composer writes good code and markup for basic use.

My suggestion is don't debug AbiWord and use the Composer instead.

~

Dewbie

#7 Post by Dewbie »

Bruce B wrote:
The SeaMonkey Composer writes good code and markup for basic use.
BarryK mentioned problems here with earlier 2.x SeaMonkey:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02465

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#8 Post by tallboy »

I find Abiword to act a little confused sometimes, when pasting text from a webpage, and I guess it has to do with different text encodings.

I always use the 'Paste unformatted' command from the 'Edit' menu, when pasting text from websites.

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#9 Post by sfeeley »

for what its worth, Dillo seems to read the web addresses properly.

And then from Dillo, I can cut and paste the address to Firefox.

(what a kludge!)

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#10 Post by Flash »

How is it possible for there to be hidden characters? Is it because of UTF-8 or something?

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#11 Post by John Doe »

all I want is my own canary pie with Strawberry Surburt Pudding in 4 flavors. and a frame for my pix of that old pointer that retrived the stick so well...

oh, where did my tuner go. oh, where did the Os go?

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#12 Post by Karl Godt »

John Doe wrote:all I want is my own canary pie with Strawberry Surburt Pudding in 4 flavors. and a frame for my pix of that old pointer that retrived the stick so well...

oh, where did my tuner go. oh, where did the Os go?
When i would know all these i would not waste time but work for something like these : http://www.nas.nasa.gov/hecc/resources/pleiades.html
Operating system: SUSE® Linux®

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#13 Post by Lobster »

You were correct the first time
A classic example of knowledge over paranoia.

I have had similar problems, were a piece of 'plain text' has
strange effects. For example with LF (line feeds)

For me the important lesson is do not assume that the inexplicable means that your computer is being interfered with by a Dalai Lama government using a quantum computer from another dimension
- or is that just me :roll:

There might be a simpler explanation 8)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 158#398158

Knowledge sets you free
As in Puppy Linux
Puppy Raspup 8.2Final 8)
Puppy Links Page http://www.smokey01.com/bruceb/puppy.html :D

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#14 Post by Flash »

In SeaMonkey, if I go to View -> Character encoding -> More encodings and choose one at random, the hidden characters usually show up as weird characters. UTF-8 just ignores them as though they weren't there.

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