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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 01:57    Post subject:  Fatdog64-600b2
Subject description: All 64 bit.
 

Kirk and myself are happy to announce Fatdog 600 beta2. If you didn't look at alpha2 / beta1, since 521 many of the init and setup scripts had been completely rewritten.
Alpha2 release announcement is here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78407
Beta1 announcement is here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=79001

Changes since beta1:
  • Add grub4dosconfig 1.8 (thanks shinobar)
  • Add sfsmanager (thanks 01micko)
  • CUPS-PDF can now be used as PDF print server (again)
  • Gutenprint update to 5.2.8 (thanks rcrsn51)
  • remaster can create small initrd too
  • ffmpeg updated to 0.11.1
  • add ffconvert 1.3 (thanks shinobar)
  • Update libdrm-2.4.35
  • Update xf86-input-synaptics-1.6.2
  • Update xf86-video-ati-6.14.5
  • Update xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.0
  • remove Pudd replace by partimage
  • replace monkey server with mongoose, works well with php and mysql on the pet repo
  • add basic mouse settings
  • add smbw - alternative Samba printer
  • add new services manager
  • rebuild gimp with script-fu and python-fu (python-fu requires python and pygtk from pet repo)
  • Update to kernel 3.4.4
  • Dropped bootmanager & pup_backend daemons - now uses full udev completely
  • add YASSM 2.1 (thanks rcrsn51)
  • update seamonkey to 2.10.1
  • add "check integrity" (=fsck) to drive icons
  • and numerous bug fixes (thanks to all alpha2 and beta1 testers)
If you are not familiar with alpha2/beta1, please read the FAQ located here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/web/faqs/faq.html - especially the boot options / boot parameters, many of them are different from puppy and only a few remains compatible.

Main download site:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/iso/

Mirrors (may take a while to synchronise):
http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/fatdog/
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/fatdog/
http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/fatdog/

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 01:57    Post subject:  

FAQ and known problems for beta2.

1. Q: Booting from DVD is slow?
A: Fatdog 600 is optimised for harddisk frugal install.
Booting from DVD is slow, because:
- isolinux isn't really the fastest bootloader around
- Fatdog is bigger than other puppies.

If you LiveCD/DVD often, consider to remaster with "small initrd" (don't include pup_rw - this way you get a pristine copy of Fatdog). This cuts down the boot time by half on my machine.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 02:53    Post subject:  

Crazy question from a noob. Now that we have a Puppy compatible
multiuser OS then for to make it familiar to all the other Linux users
should not spot be named Live Session User or something? shorted
to live instead of spot. Sure it can be me not used to name conventions
but I don't remember that any other Linux have the name spot.

(In case it is Barry that came up with that name I trust that everybody
knows we love him anyway without having to always use that word? )

Many name it live instead? Would that name not be less confusing?
Spot is totally confusing to me despite me have used Puppy since 2008.

Live is what most other distros use? And we are live as root? oops
not really. Root is root and live is a restricted user but frugal is live
in that one don't need to be fully installed.

Compare with Knoppix? That one can do a lot of things being live
without being root? So the name live user is a good one.

The name spot is totally alien to me.

oops editing while your answer came through.

"It is a user used to run and contain network programs.
Furthermore, "spot" is puppy tradition and has been there since puppy 1.x ... Very Happy"

Yeah I know it is old. So Spot does not exist in other Linux distros?
Okay so FatDog by default boot as root. I do get that Root is treated
as the Live session user Smile So the restricted user can have any name
that the user fancy. I kind of get that part. So if I get it at all.

Spot where created by Barry due to him building a single user environ
and needed a name for a new kind of restricted user that has no counter
part in standard linux? Everybody trust we love Barry so no need to keep
a very odd name is it? It create confusion where we does not need it?

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 03:05    Post subject:  

Nooby, "live" and "spot" has totally different purpose. In Fatdog, just like in any other puppies, you boot as root in LiveCD, not as non-privileged user like in most other distros. You don't boot as "spot". "spot" is not the user you use to boot from LiveCD. It is a user used to run and contain network programs.
Furthermore, "spot" is puppy and fatdog tradition and has been there since puppy 1.x and fatdog 1.0 ... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 03:18    Post subject:  

Maybe I derail the thread too much. Drop it if it is annoying.
I only get worked up about the unnecessary confusion
when one force a new name on people. Hopefully it is
something that is my personal taste and everybody else
happy about it. But if I should trust my gut feeling the name spot
is keeping people from using FatDog despite being multiuser.

(Being a tech term that is totally alien to them they go to things
that look familiar instead. My experience is that people are
extremely rigid about names on technical things. Smile or just me Smile

As I get it one boot into live user as root by default and
and spot is a kind of protection of the programs that get
in contact with the outer world then. An extra layer of protection?

so no need to give it a totally alien name. Could be named something
that people understand instead of something that is cute but odd.

name it sandbox or something that people are used to get intuitively?

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 03:25    Post subject:  

Okay back on topic. This new beta 2 being that much reworked.
Does that mean one should not reuse the old savefile. That one
need to create a new one?

Edit
Ooops seems it can reuse the old savefile.
At least with the changes that I had done.
I did not test but it does boot as fast as the
B1. Would you say it is safe to just reuse the
old savefile?

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 04:22    Post subject:  

Fatdog does not have "version upgrade" feature - it is removed since when we started 600 because we find that it is more broken than not; and causes more headaches than success. How many times you see the advice in the forum saying "please boot with pfix=ram" or "please delete your previous savefile"? I've never read anyone says "please boot with pfix=upgrade" Very Happy

Generally speaking, you should start from fresh savefile, but if beta1 savefile works for you then that's great.

That being said, if you don't change any if the system files; you should be able to use beta1 savefile. Of course, if things don't work ... "please boot with savefile=none" Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 06:46    Post subject:  

Ok, bug report

You know that routine you employed to fix the order of drive icons? Works really well Smile

However, it seems the same routine wasn't applied when checking where to save the session!

I chose sda1 and my savefile was found on sda10!!!

Other than that it's all looking pretty good.

Nice to have my Canon-MP490 working ootb with gutenprint-5.2.8 Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:34    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
However, it seems the same routine wasn't applied when checking where to save the session!
I chose sda1 and my savefile was found on sda10!!!

Doh !! Sad Fixed for next release.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 08:26    Post subject: Fatdog64-600b2  

I used the fatdog installer to install to the hard drive,no format,ran
grub4dos.

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
Memory 5965MB (132MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [d45874bff1]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Mon Jun 25 07:17:47 2012
Input Devices
Power Button
Power Button
Logitech USB Receiver
Logitech USB Receiver
PC Speaker
Version
Kernel Linux 3.4.4 (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP Sat Jun 23 18:31:59 GMT 2012
C Library GNU C Library version 2.13 (stable)
Distribution Fatdog64 [d45874bff1]
Display
Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.11.4
OpenGL
Vendor Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.265 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.019 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.019 FPS

No problems so far.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 10:02    Post subject:  

Booting from the cd, ext4 savefile on the hdd.No problems yet, but just started... Smile
Looking good so far though.

Summary
Computer
Processor 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory 3787MB (307MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [d45874bff1]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Mon Jun 25 08:59:27 2012
Display
Resolution 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
VGA compatible controller nVidia Corporation Device 03d6 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Display
Resolution 1366x768 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.11.4
Monitors
Monitor 0 1366x768 pixels

OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 11:03    Post subject:    

jamesbond wrote:
01micko wrote:
However, it seems the same routine wasn't applied when checking where to save the session!
I chose sda1 and my savefile was found on sda10!!!

Doh !! Sad Fixed for next release.
I had a similar problem, I specified /sdb2/fatdog64-600 and could not find the savefile anywhere. To solve that problem, I just used the default and then using a different pup, copied the save file from /mnt/home to the subdirectory which is what I did with a2 & b1.

My first extra program was shinobar's latest "get NVIDIA driver" pet which successfully installed the NVIDIA driver. B2 is also looking good with other programs that I normally use.

I have had a few slight problems.
1. Package manager does not install firefox. Although I did install a copy that I'd already downloaded with b1.
2. Both Seamonkey, Firefox and the Package Manager have frozen the desktop several times and would not respond. Corrected with restart using Ctrl>Alt>Backspace and then xwin. With Seamonkey and Package Manager there doesn't appear to be a pattern that causes the desktop freeze up, however Ctrl>+ to resize window always freezes the desktop using Firefox.
3. Wbar pet needs a minor edit to place a symlink in /root/startup.

Cheers,
Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 13:56    Post subject:  

Quote:
1. Package manager does not install firefox. Although I did install a copy that I'd already downloaded with b1.


I didn't update the package list when I uploaded the new Firefox-13.0.1.pet. Refresh the package manager to try again. There's a small problem with the Firefox pet that may not effect most people. It will be fixed soon.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 14:52    Post subject:  Great work Kirk & jamesbond,
Subject description: Great work Kirk & jamesbond,
 

- Great work Kirk & jamesbond - was waiting for this release.

- Looking forward to testing!

Best regards,
Johan
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2012, 15:18    Post subject:  

Really nice presentation, fast but cannot get any sound. Done the usual stuff with card choice, mixer, etc. :
Quote:
it could be that Fatdog just doesn’t have a driver for it

Did I get unlucky with the SiS SI 7012 chipset? Seems to be detected OK.
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