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#201 Post by saintless »

bohocmasni wrote:P. e. when I boot from lupus live CD I can type "puppy pupsfs=sdb1:/OS kdpup/kdpup/kdpup-484.sfs" ( or st similar ), and it works ( with lupus kernel? )
I don't know what should be the boot code this way, but you can extract the files from the iso with IsoMaster.
Here is my working grub menu entry for KDPup-484 the full version.
Look for the right name of the main SFS for the lite version when you extract the iso and replace it in my example code:

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title Puppy Linux 484 frugal in sda1 dir puppy484
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy484/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppy484 nosmp
initrd /puppy484/initrd.gz
boot

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#202 Post by bohocmasni »

don't help :(

That's annoying, i can't find out where is fault. Other puplets work, and this works also when i try with lucid puppys kernel. :(

( and md5 is also good :))

new idea: did you try in ntfs filesystem? it's possible that ntfs and minus sign in the name don't like each other

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#203 Post by saintless »

bohocmasni wrote:new idea: did you try in ntfs filesystem? it's possible that ntfs and minus sign in the name don't like each other
I have KDPup frugal install on vfat and ext partition. I don't have NTFS.

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#204 Post by dejan555 »

bohocmasni, you should be able to just click iso to mount it, then copy files from it to kdpup subdir and it should work with grub example like saintless posted, try putting subdir on the root of partition.
puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored [url=https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Mb589v0iCXNnhSZWRwd3R2UWs]HERE[/url] or [url=http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_puppy.b0x.me_mirror]HERE[/url]

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#205 Post by Gnuxo »

HI, quick question.

Since this is a kde pup, will it use Kmplayer and kpart to stream without flash?

It would make sense to do that instead of gnome mplayer, and gecko-mediaplayer right?

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#206 Post by saintless »

Gnuxo wrote:HI, quick question.

Since this is a kde pup, will it use Kmplayer and kpart to stream without flash?

It would make sense to do that instead of gnome mplayer, and gecko-mediaplayer right?
Testing the squeezy debian packages kmplayer and kpart gives me

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this error when I try to start kmplayer:
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkde3support.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
I can choose to download kmplayer from PPM but the download there gives an error.
I suppose it is a dependencies issue to make it work.

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#207 Post by Gnuxo »

Well, here's the pkgs entry for kmplayer for squeeze.

Scroll down for the full dep list. If any deps are missing, pkgs has them.

http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html


I wonder how difficult it would be to backport a newer version of Kmplayer.

The newest is 0.11.3c? That's not a giant leap. I think some stuff from the wheezy repos could get that working. Pkgs has everything.

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#208 Post by saintless »

Gnuxo wrote:Pkgs has everything.
Not in this case I'm afraid :)
Most of the needed dependencies are not in this link. Take a look:

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# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkparts.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeui.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkdecore.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libsolid.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkmediaplayer.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libkpty.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libnepomuk.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libnepomukutils.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libstreamanalyzer.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libattica.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# kmplayer
kmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdbusmenu-qt.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
#         
I don't have time to install all dependencies one by one and to look for the next missing. I will do it faster if I apt-get kmplayer in Debian Live CD and get all needed dependencies at once.

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#209 Post by Gnuxo »

The abbreviations of deps don't usually properly explain where they come from.

For instance, libkparts: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libsolid: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libkio: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libkdeui: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libkdecore: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libkmediaplayer: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libkpty: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libnepomuk: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libnepomukutils: http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-11.04/ubuntu-mai ... 6.deb.html

Libstreamanalyzer: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libattica: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

Libdbusmenu-qt2: http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-m ... 6.deb.html

I hope this makes things easier for you. All of these packages are from pkgs.org.

I posted their entries, so that you can make sure you have all the necessary dependencies of the dependencies, but I mostly just saw libqt for most of them. Hope I helped.

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#210 Post by saintless »

Sorry, Gnuxo, this is a dead end :(
After getting 82 Mb of dependencies archives and 210 Mb of real hard disk space used I got this message:

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# kmplayer
kmplayer: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by /usr/lib/libkde3support.so.4)
kmplayer: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5)
kmplayer: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstreamanalyzer.so.0)
kmplayer: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstreams.so.0)
I don't think kmplayer will be a better option than using flash at least for KDPup. Maybe older version of kmplayer will be easier to install but the latest one from Debian squeezy packages is not a good idea.
The packages I got with apt-get from Debian Live CD are for Kmplayer V 0.11.2b and KDE 4.4.5. KDPup has KDE 3.5.

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#211 Post by Gnuxo »

I don't know where to find an older version of kmplayer. Perhaps the ubuntu lucid repos?

But I found this...

http://kplayer.sourceforge.net/

It's rather out of date and it's development is dead, but it has a browser kpart and seems like it will probably work.

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#212 Post by saintless »

Gnuxo wrote:I don't know where to find an older version of kmplayer. Perhaps the ubuntu lucid repos?
I've found Kmplayer V 0.10.0c in lenny packages. You need to install 47 Mb of dependencies to make it work with KDPup. Maybe less if you have time to experiment.
I'm uploading an archive with all needed packages in:
http://www.mydrive.ch/
username: guest@saintless
password: download

The archive is: kmplayer0.10.0c_plus_depend.tar.gz

After the installation KDE will give you an error:

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could not find mime type
application/octet stream
It works anyway but to solve this mime type problem you just have to go to home (/root) directory, show hidden files -> .kde/share/mimelnk/application. Open octet-stream.desktop file with geany and change the line hidden=true to hidden=false and reboot.

To be honest maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of replacing flash with much more hungry for RAM and CPU resources application like Kmplayer.
Anyway you can have it working on KDPup-484.

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#213 Post by Gnuxo »

I wonder if Kplayer is less resource hungry then Kmplayer. VLC has a browser plugin, and there's a new version of Xine-ui and plugin as well.

Anyway, for youtube, there is Minitunes.

What browser is going to be default?

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#214 Post by saintless »

Gnuxo wrote:What browser is going to be default?
KDPup-484 full version has Firefox 3.6.23 (old version but works fine and uses less RAM than the new ones), Dillo2 and Konqueror 3.5.9. You can choose any of them for default browser.
I don't know if you have noticed this, but KDPup is 2 years old puplet. There is not development intention, but in my opinion it is very good the way it is. Read the first post of this thread.

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#215 Post by Eldes »

I just installed on one of my pc's.
Works very well on Celeron 2.8 Ghz, 2 GB of RAM (DDRI) & Nvidia FX 5200.

The unique bad point its has old Kernel. But all the rest are really good.
Congrats for making this possible.

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#216 Post by dejan555 »

Are lenny repos still accessible? I just did a search for kmplayer in debian packages and it only gave me squeeze as oldest version?

@Eldes glad it works for you too
puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored [url=https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Mb589v0iCXNnhSZWRwd3R2UWs]HERE[/url] or [url=http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_puppy.b0x.me_mirror]HERE[/url]

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great to see people are using kdpup

#217 Post by gnz11 »

if you are updating deps from squeeze you may run into conflicts. the big difference will likely be that the kde deps from squeeze will be for kde4 vs 3.5
unless kde is your highest priority, i might suggest using dejan's dpup 485. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67662

it has updated libs and will run most lucid pets and various from slacko . not counting the 485.pets

plus all pets from series 4. i also have few issues running new software in .deb or tar. tar's get extracted to folder and run from there.

glad to see that people are finding the pup that works without all the kernel and xorg issues.. ;}

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#218 Post by saintless »

dejan555 wrote:Are lenny repos still accessible? I just did a search for kmplayer in debian packages and it only gave me squeeze as oldest version?
Hi, Dejan555,

I have access to lenny repos this way:
I boot from Debian live CD version 500 with i486 kernel and do apt-get update. Then I get lenny packages and most of the programs are older versions.

This are the sources from the live CD sources.list:

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deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main

Gnz11
, thanks for the information. KDE is my wife priority and I have to obey her wishes :) This is the only way we can both use the same Puppy linux.

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#219 Post by James C »

saintless wrote:
dejan555 wrote:Are lenny repos still accessible? I just did a search for kmplayer in debian packages and it only gave me squeeze as oldest version?
Hi, Dejan555,

I have access to lenny repos this way:
I boot from Debian live CD version 500 with i486 kernel and do apt-get update. Then I get lenny packages and most of the programs are older versions.

This are the sources from the live CD sources.list:

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deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main

Gnz11
, thanks for the information. KDE is my wife priority and I have to obey her wishes :) This is the only way we can both use the same Puppy linux.
And if you need them

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deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
# Security:
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
# Volatile:
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free

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#220 Post by saintless »

Thanks for the information, James C.

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