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[nooby]

... One of the first new issues you stumble across is that root login is now disabled.
Fortunately it's pretty easy to reverse that. Some kind person has posted the details of what to do.

ami I agree with all the praise here. Maybe eternal noobs like me
need some protection but most people active here in the forum does not!
I love what you wrote there. So true!

What I wonder is this. And remember I am a eternal total noob

What is described in the url works if you already have installed Debian.
Done a full install. If you only boot as "Live Session User"
then it is impossible to circumvent or find any way to to be root
or if you actually get access as root then you have to install
all the programs anew those that create the Gnome or LXDE or xfce
Desktop and root only allow you CLI access.


Sure I can be wrong but as far as I know they have gone to utter measure
to ensure that a Live session user has no way to have a nornal root desktop?

If I am wrong then I do apology and would appreciate some suggestion
how to get a normal desktop as a live session booted as root.

Ooops I mean frugal install. Sorry for any confusion

edit after Flash told me that he can see the signature here. So I write something and look if it repair itself after that action
Nope no signature is seen here using Puppy Lupu 528 and
FF 13 with NoScipt so something is different in this thread.

[Enrique Corbellini]

I applied the grub-repair-CD as rokytnj suggested. It's the best help I received, thanks.
I also tried writing those $sudo lines, which sounds like chinese to me, but it worked and was interesting.
But I know people won't ever accept me giving them a system in which they have to do this things by themselves. So first, I'll continue installing puppy, and only installing ubuntu too when they understand linux is something believable.
In the meantime, I'll continue waiting for the day in which our ecological communities not only use solar and wind energy but also eco hardware with no needing of unnecesary complexity. I appreciated all your comments.

[rokytnji]

thanks, I followed your suggestion and tried antix
looks like a complete system, but it doesn't start xorg o vesa automatically. Is there a way to have a graphical interface?

If no slim login screen. Just type in at the prompt "$"

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startx

[Pierre16]

Colonel Panic,

I run Quelitu 12.04, which you downloaded a few days ago. It has an HUD, some ultralight utilities, 3 centers, and loads of installation options, among them an Enlightenment desktop (Quelitu Jazz).

The combination of HUD and Enlightenment desktop is great. The RAM usage is also good. See the speed comparison page at:
http://wavesofthefuture.net/computers/s ... s-os.shtml

There is a lot more... I assume you have already seen the Release Notes/Download page...

[rokytnji]

Being a team member for AntiX developer Anti. This is a old AntiX 8.5 core install I did in 2010 , but updated as a roling release. With my new kernel install. LXDE cold boot with nothing running takes up about 61MB of ram.

Below ram report at botom of readout is with LXDE, conky, LXterminal and inxi report running.

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$ inxi -z -F
System:    Host: Biker Kernel: 3.4.1-antix.1-486-smp i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.5.0) Distro: antiX-core-686-a1 20 June 2010
Machine:   System: Intel product: Montara Family of Chipsets
           Mobo: Phoenix model: RT786EX version: 41118 Bios: Phoenix version: MGM-ALL1.86C.1009.D.0604271130 date: 04/27/06
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium M (-UP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (sse sse2) clocked at 600.00 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device X.Org: 1.12.1 driver: intel Resolution: 1024x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 852GM/855GM x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 1.3 Mesa 7.11.2
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_intel8x0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: 1.0.25
Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath5k 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver: 8139too 
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 30.0GB (19.6% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: IC25N030ATCS04 size: 30.0GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 17G used: 6.3G (39%) fs: ext3 ID: swap-1 size: 0.58GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 94 Uptime: 2:03 Memory: 72.0/492.5MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.5 

This laptop has 1 512 MB stick of ram in it. I run Lighthouse Puppy also on another hardrive on this laptop. It has the capability of quick change hard drive caddies being a toughbook type of laptop. I can't speak on HUD since I am more of a command line type of biker.

As far as mounting goes in Debian. I don't have those problems. But I had to take the time to learn new things. Like learning spanish when your mother tongue is English I guess.

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# cat /etc/fstab
UUID=8bdcb4fd-4a43-45e9-be6b-dd455f91e802 / ext3 defaults,noatime 1 1
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0622 0 0
/dev/sda2 swap swap sw,pri=1 0 0
/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 auto,defaults,auto 0 0
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
# Dynamic entries below
/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,users,exec,ro 0 0
/dev/hdc /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,users,exec,ro 0 0
# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 30.0 GB, 30005821440 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3648 cylinders, total 58605120 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x723de8aa

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1            2048    21334015    10665984   83  Linux
/dev/sda2        21334320    22458869      562275   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3   *    22458870    58603519    18072325   83  Linux

[rjbrewer]

Being a team member for AntiX developer Anti. This is a old AntiX 8.5 core install I did in 2010 , but updated as a roling release. With my new kernel install. LXDE cold boot with nothing running takes up about 61MB of ram.

CPU: Single core Intel Pentium M (-UP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (sse sse2) clocked at 600.00 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics

Interesting:

My Dell 700m seems to have similar specs; 1.6Ghz cpu
and 82852/855GM graphics.
The only graphics driver which worked really well with 855GM
the last few years has been "i810"
It's not included in most of these newest Puppy versions.

Will Anti-x run full install from external usb hdd?

[rokytnji]

Will Anti-x run full install from external usb hdd?

Yes it will. I have a full iso install on a class 4 sd flash card that I run on a M&A Companion Netbook. You can also set up the external drive install as a frugal install with persistence.

http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Frugal_install

My full install how to I made years ago for external drive.

http://yatsite.blogspot.com/2009/07/ins ... e-900.html

So yeah, it is possible.

[James C]

Porteus 1.2 XFCE rc2

[RetroTechGuy]

thanks, I followed your suggestion and tried antix
looks like a complete system, but it doesn't start xorg o vesa automatically. Is there a way to have a graphical interface?

If no slim login screen. Just type in at the prompt "$"

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startx

I think that I still use (I think that was standard under Debian 1.3, which I used for a very long time)

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xinit

which still works

[nooby]

Latest DistroWatch saw they had a Chinese version of Ubuntu
that had many codex and a different movie program?

Thought I could do a frugal install of the "Live Session User"
and it worked okay like this.

title deepin frugal iso boot noeject noprompt quiet splash --
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /deepin.iso
kernel /deepin/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/deepin.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/deepin.iso splash --
initrd /deepin/casper/initrd.lz

The name of the OS is Deepin and it has mostly English only a few Mandarin icons. All the rest in English. To get your keyboard do this in terminal.

setxkbmap se
or the combination for your country. France fr, Germany de, I don't know you know such things

[otropogo]

I've often criticized Knoppix lately for it's annoying flaws, slowness to fix them, and interminable delays between the annual CEbit disk release in German and the final download. But this year it's time for kudos to Klaus Knopper.

Admittedly, the release of the downloadable English version was delayed by many weeks. But it was worth the wait. Not only that, but there followed very quickly a minor revision from v.7.0.1 to 7.0.2. Both booted for me, but I quickly switched to the latest, and haven't had any cause to go back.

This is without a doubt the smoothest, fastest, most impressive LiveDVD ever!

Following my long-held rule of booting only from removable media, after burning and booting the DVD, I immediately installed it to an 8GB USB thumb drive using the installation module in the 'Knoppix' directory.

The DVD boots not too shabbily on my two faster systems, about 4 minutes to the LXDE desktop, IIRC. But the USB installation is a speed demon, booting to the desktop in under 40 seconds on my two fastest PCs (three and seven years old, respectively).

You need a minimum of 8GB of flash because the files included take up 3.9GB, and you'll need some extra GBs for installing further apps to the persistent image file. I LiveCD version wasn't yet available when I did this a week or so ago, but it's planned.

Knoppix 7 LiveDVD is reported to contain 9GB of apps in compressed form. However, my limited experimentation suggests that many of these, especially the more complicated database programs (such as Grass GIS) are there in barebones structure only, and require significant downloads and assignment of storage space before they'll actually run. This may severly limit users of an 8GB thumbdrive. But hopefully, prices of the slower no-class no speed shown flash media will continue to plummet, so we can all get a pocketful of 32GB drives.


The most astonishingly pleasant surprise was finding that I could use the thumbdrive installation created on my Toshiba laptop to boot three! different desktop machines, using different monitors interchangeably.

Only one of the three PCs requires some tweaking of the display resolution, which comes up spread over two monitors.This is a problem encountered with previous Knoppix version, and may be caused by the DualHead2Go dual monitor adapter and/or the Radeon X1550 display adapter.

But a complete desktop image can be assured at boot up by entering a known working resolution (eg. knoppix screen=1600x1200x24), or experimenting. Once the toolbar and start menu are on screen, adjusting the display resolution requires only opening the preferences/monitor settings window in LXDE and reconfiguring.

The utility doesn't seem to have a test mode, so you may end up with a black screen, if a wrong choice is made. But with a one minute reset-reboot time, this isn't a big issue for the two or three failed attempts you might have before finding the right setting.

Adding new apps was easiest for me with the Software Centre. In it I easily searched for, found, and installed UFRaw, Rawstudio, and KlamAV (I miss Fprot though, finding KlamAV a bit complicated to use). Rawstudio and UFRaw work great.


NB: the firewall isn't active by default, so it's probably a good idea to set it up and save it after the persistent image file is created.

Oh, and if you have a 64-bit PC and more than 3GB of RAM, you can access all of that RAM by booting Knoppix 7 with the argument 'knoppix64', which loads the 64 bit Linux 3.3.7(?) kernel.

But because of size considerations (ie. the limits of a DVD disk) K7 doesn't include support for 64-bit applications, for that capability you'd have to install the necessary libraries, etc., and possibly get a bigger thumbdrive.

BTW if you find the choice of wallpapers (called 'background' in Knoppix7) unappetizing, I suggest you bring your own. I've got the Puppy 4.0 wallpaper installed. The screensaver selection, OTOH, is quite stunning, and you can leave it at the default 'random' setting and enjoy the changes.

[nooby]

I'm waiting for the Knoppix 7.0.2 CD version.
DVD is too big for me

I wonder about Phyton 2.6 One 3D CGI program I tried on Ubuntu
need Phyton 2.6 but maybe Knoppix need to download such too
and don't have it on default?

Can Puppy use Phyton 2.6 ? Maybe one need a Dev version?

[otropogo]

I'm waiting for the Knoppix 7.0.2 CD version.
DVD is too big for me

I wonder about Phyton 2.6 One 3D CGI program I tried on Ubuntu
need Phyton 2.6 but maybe Knoppix need to download such too
and don't have it on default?


Can Puppy use Phyton 2.6 ? Maybe one need a Dev version?

The 7.0.2 DVD packages list shows the DVD containing both Python 2.6 and 2.7., and since the 6.7 LiveCD packages list shows Python 2.6, I imagine the CD version of 7.0.2 will have either 2.7 or 2.6, or both.

[Enrique Corbellini]

is it we are assuming strong PCs and big programs were really needed? does this mean that Puppy was certainly only for old PCs?
IBM and other industries can always make big computers for big companies, without having to involve the single user who only wants to surf the web and a few more little things, I believe.
Where I live, if a person wants to have a new computer to surf the web and save personal storage, can’t buy a PC with less than 2 Gb of RAM and 100 Gb’s hard disc. Does this make sense?
I sincerely admire your dedication to develop and test new software for big machines, but I wouldn’t like to find you 2 years after wondering “why did I leave part of my life in running a competition in which I have no part?

[otropogo]

[quote="Enrique Corbellini"]is it we are assuming strong PCs and big programs were really needed? does this mean that Puppy was certainly only for old PCs?
IBM and other industries can always make big computers for big companies, without having to involve the single user who only wants to surf the web and a few more little things, I believe.
Where I live, if a person wants to have a new computer to surf the web and save personal storage, can’t buy a PC with less than 2 Gb of RAM and 100 Gb’s hard disc. Does this make sense?
I sincerely admire your dedication to develop and test new software for big machines, but I wouldn’t like to find you 2 years after wondering “why did I leave part of my life in running a competition in which I have no part?

[Lobster]

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions ... re-949029/

Good interview with Slacware creator

[Enrique Corbellini]

And don't worry, once the Chinese have saturated their own market (I was there last year, and was shocked to run into recent university graduates there who don't own a PC, have no access to one, and can't afford the cost of using an Internet cafe to keep in touch by e-mail) they'll be flooding the rest of the world with cheap PCs too.

Last month I visited an ecological community of my country (Uruguay, South America).
It’s in a beautiful small town called Aiguá. Much more beautiful than the capital city Montevideo. This community is one of the few ecological communities that exist in my country.
They don’t use PCs.... that simple. They practice other sort of communication. They use solar energy for everyday life, and motors to work, building ecological houses.
This way of living sounds like a paradise to me, but when trying to go living with them, a problem appears: they don’t have a project to work on, they are only optimist people who believe in future, but they don’t write what they are going to do the next 2 years from now on.
The rest of these ecological communities do more or less the same thing. You have to believe in ecology as if it was some sort of religion, instead of science.
So, as I’m not a religion practicer, I had to momentarily pospone my moving to that place, and look for a more scientific ecological practicing without leaving the city. Not so bad.... I found other interesting possibility. Global ecological promoters as a U.N. office and the New Zealand government (yes, that far from here country), offer us some money (little for them -1st world-, lots for us -3rd world-) to start ecological projects based on science. I found two places in the capital city to start projects like these, but none in Aigua or other inner land yet. I don’t get sad because of that, since I believe some time is needed to make things happen.
But we plenty use PCs inside these scientific projects. And even more than that... we wonder how a computer’s worker should live if becoming an ecological practicer. We know this hypothetical person must be eating healthy food and enjoying trees and nature, but we don’t know what else should be doing yet.
I’m starting to speak with organizations like ceuta.org.uy (technological appliers to ecology) about these things. We accepted the U.N. proposal of developing a project, and we are still studying the one proposed by New Zealand.
Whatever are the computers going to be finally accepted to work inside these projects, they are going to be ecological hardware and software, don’t you thing so?
Would you like to get involved inside this? don’t you think it’s nice?
I think we could even speak to chinese students about these things. We can speak to 2nd world's anywhere students about projects like these, offering everyone a way to participate inside them.
We are permanently learning examples of communities around all of the world, and want to give our part in this searching for a new life.
Thanks for answering.

[otropogo]

...
Last month I visited an ecological community of my country (Uruguay, South America).
...
Global ecological promoters as a U.N. office and the New Zealand government (yes, that far from here country), offer us some money (little for them -1st world-, lots for us -3rd world-) to start ecological projects based on science.

...
Oh, come on! When did Uruguay become a "3rd world" country? That's ridiculous. I can guarantee you that I would sooner eat in a restaurant in Uruguay than one in (mainland) China.

...

... we wonder how a computer’s worker should live if becoming an ecological practicer. We know this hypothetical person must be eating healthy food and enjoying trees and nature, but we don’t know what else should be doing yet.

Sounds more like religion than science to me. Surely you have to determine what foods ARE healthy and how to safely enjoy trees and nature before making it a moral imperative...

And you certainly can't do it by leafing through old hardcopy that happens to come into range.

I’m starting to speak with organizations like ceuta.org.uy (technological appliers to ecology) about these things. We accepted the U.N. proposal of developing a project, and we are still studying the one proposed by New Zealand.
Whatever are the computers going to be finally accepted to work inside these projects, they are going to be ecological hardware and software, don’t you thing so?

It sounds logical, until you consider what on earth "ecological hardware and software" could possibly mean. For hardware, it's not so hard - perhaps it should be biodegradable, or better yet, edible and good for your health? For software, it's much harder to imagine. First, how can software be unecological? I'm stumped.

Maybe one should start by putting the "eco" aside and concentrate on being "logical" first.

Would you like to get involved inside this? don’t you think it’s nice?
I think we could even speak to chinese students about these things. We can speak to 2nd world's anywhere students about projects like these, offering everyone a way to participate inside them.

Sure, but what is your organization's website? You mention receiving a UN grant, but not the name or nature of the project supported, ditto for the New Zealand proposal. So how can anyone reading this "participate"?

[Enrique Corbellini]

Oh, come on! When did Uruguay become a "3rd world" country? That's ridiculous. I can guarantee you that I would sooner eat in a restaurant in Uruguay than one in (mainland) China.

The words “1st, 2nd and 3rd world

[Aitch]

Enrique

Health

http://www.naturalhub.com/opinion_right ... animal.htm

http://www.natural-health-information-c ... arius.html

A few discussion videos for you....

http://www.bbc5.tv/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdG ... laynext=21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvp3RWc4 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... aF2J6ZJsdw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whKrENfkMEM

http://www.cmn.tv/news/new-world-currency/

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_ra ... ght-agenda

enjoy!

Aitch