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kirk

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 22:29    Post subject:  Fatdog64-600b1
Subject description: All 64bit.
 

James and myself are happy to announce Fatdog64-600 beta 1. If you didn't look at alpha2, since 521 James completely rewrote the initrd and the init scripts, and many of the setup scripts. The alpha2 release announcement is here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78407

Here's the changes since alpha2:

* SFS works with multisession
* add libdbus_glib
* uses busybox blkid (faster) instead of util-linux blkid
* volume label display on drive icons can be turned off
* /usr/lib and /usr/X11R7/lib are now bind mounts (and cannot be overwritten)
* udevd-helper daemon to handle tricky usb devices
* bugfix with first-time session save
* hardinfo patched - does not crash, show Fatdog64 version
* Windows-K key is shortcut for xkill (to kill windows apps). Right-click to cancel.
* New control panel - all system/settings apps are now here
* QuickApps - create application shortcuts
* urxvt 9.15 (without perl extension)
* command line tool to split fatdog humongous initrd to standard puppy initrd for faster usb boot
* small-initrd support in fatdog-installer if you have at least 1.6 GB RAM
* base2ram parameter - force external basesfs (e.g. split-initrd) to be loaded into RAM
* experimental multi-user (some applications are still broken; some pet packages does not support non-root)
* updated Rox to git master 2012-05-30
* updated JWM to build 579
* updated peasypdf to 2.1 (thanks rcrsn51)
* updated peasyscan to 2.3 (thanks rcrsn51)
* updated wallpaper setter to 0.6.2 (thanks 01micko)
* kernel updated to 3.4.2 (will be updated to 3.4.x for final)
* Seamonkey updated to 2.10
* pburn updated to 3.6.0
* Flash player updated to 11.2.202.236
* Add Broadcom wl driver hacked to only load for pcids not claimed by the open source driver.
* Update to Mesa-8.0.3.

Plus numerous bug fixes. Setup type applications have been removed from the main menu and are now in the Control Panel. James has gotten multi-user working pretty well. You'll find the user manager under the System tab in the Control Panel. If you are not familiar with the changes since 521, take a look at the FAQs. Especially for booting and boot options.

Get it here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/iso/

Thanks to all the alpha2 testers!

Also, we're planning to have Seamonkey and Firefox ISOs for final, there's a Firefox-13 pet package in the repo. Please test if you like Firefox. The pet will replace Seamonkey as the default browser.

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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 23:12    Post subject:  

Mirrors may take a while to sync.
http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/fatdog/
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/fatdog/
http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/fatdog/

Know bugs (all these known bugs are fixed for the next release)
1. Q: I cannot print? usb printer not recognised?
A: Please open terminal (as root) and to this: "chmod 0500 /usr/lib64/cups/backend/*". And then restart.

2. Q: I run multiple desktop and CUPS-PDF doesn't seem to work?
A: CUPS-PDF always display its prompt on the first desktop. If you want to print to PDF, use "Print to file..." instead.
In the next release CUPS-PDF will work as expected.

3. Q: Package doesn't seem to be installed even though I installed multiple times!
A: This is a bug, please do the following:
1. Edit the file /usr/sbin/silent_petget
2. Goto line 86
3. Near the end of the line, when you see "cpio -p $INSTALL_ROOT", change that to "cpio -up $INSTALL_ROOT"

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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 00:02    Post subject: Fatdog64-600b1  

Booting from live dvd with a 40gb save file on the hard drive.
It takes approx 3-4 minutes for the loading initrd to complete, same
thing as alpha2 but on another pc it would load probably twice as fast.
Both computers have blue ray drives.

Computer
Processor 8x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Memory 16395MB (171MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [bb155f4388]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Wed Jun 13 23:44:15 2012
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Input Devices
Power Button
Power Button
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
PC Speaker
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
Version 4.2.0 NVIDIA 295.59
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
141887 frames in 5.0 seconds = 28377.303 FPS
142156 frames in 5.0 seconds = 28431.002 FPS
142322 frames in 5.0 seconds = 28464.275 FPS

The control panel is working well although I had to reload the devx
with sfs load, (I had loaded it previously after creating my savefile
and rebooting), oops, I just realized that I hadn't checked the load
permanenty box.

Working well so far.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 00:05    Post subject:  

On downloading Wink

Nluug is up

Still waiting on Aarnet and UOC

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Lobster
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 01:04    Post subject:  

Jamesbond is one of our Puppy heroes.
He worked on PuppyPhone and now adds multiboot for those chanting
'Do not run as root' in their sleep. Wink

Please test this as he and Kirk deserve feedback and support.
Maybe you could leave a message via Puppyphone - I should imagine the latest and best Puppyphone is in Fatdog . . .

Any documentation/tips on going multiroot for other developers welcome Cool

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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 01:27    Post subject:  

Painless to set up a user from the control panel. I feel safe now Laughing
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 01:40    Post subject:  

Fatdog 64-600b1 multi-session dvd.Just started testing but zero problems so far.

Summary
Computer
Processor 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory 3787MB (250MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [bb155f4388]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Thu Jun 14 00:38:09 2012
Display
Resolution 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV4C
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

Display
Resolution 1366x768 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.11.4
Monitors
Monitor 0 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL
Vendor nouveau
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV4C
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes

looking pretty solid so far. Smile
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LateAdopter

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 06:33    Post subject:  

Hello Kirk & jamesbond

Thank you for adding cpuid and msr kernel modules. I have checked that TurionPowerControl can read back the voltages on my Athlon II x2, so they are working. I'll report back what power savings I get after some testing with VLC.

A few minor things about the initial setup, while I remember:

The ISO 9660 filenames are garbled in fd600a2 and fd600b1. They were OK in the fd520 and fd521 ISOs.

It's usually because the mastering software is set to enforce ISO 9660 level 1. It is better to set level 3 or turn the checking off completely. Then any software can read the filenames correctly without any extensions.

Setting up the country specific settings, the first time, is more complicated because you have to use three separate tools to do it.
The first two ask you to restart X and you have to say no, and the third one doesn't ask you and you have to remember to do it!

I can't find the power management setup tool anywhere in the menus. Its for setting up the powernow-k8 governor. I think it was in utilities previously.

Thanks for fd64 600b1. 600a2 was working really well on my system.
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 09:19    Post subject: Fatdog64-600b1
Subject description: sound problem
 

Sound quit working, I think it was caused when I opened the terminal
and ran alsa mixer and set the levels, then used the alsactl store
command.
The volume control icon disappeared from the panel at some point, using the multiple
sound card wizard etc. didn't help, got a device busy (something like
that) when trying to get sound working in vlc.
That's the only thing that I can think of that I did that may have
broken sound.
I guess you have to use the control panel alsa mixer only.I deleted the
save file and started over, added pets etc., and sound is working fine.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:08    Post subject:  

Pmusic version in FatDog is about a thousand years old! (Internet years. Latest pmusic was working ok in 600A2, test later in 600B1).

BTW, no problems with my USB sound card in B1. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:22    Post subject: Fatdog64-600b1
Subject description: music manager
 

Here's the best music manager/player in my opinion Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:58    Post subject:  

Hello Kirk & jamesbond

I found cpufreq-info which confirmed that power management was working by default.

I set up my cpu pstate voltages using TurionPowerControl.

Playing my test video which is 1920x1080x25i plus YADIF double framerate deinterlace using VLC:

at default 1.4v it was 79 Watts peak wallplug power with my Athlon II x2

at 1.1v it was 59 Watts peak.

That makes a lot of difference to the PSU fan noise. Thank you, and blackshard!
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 13:22    Post subject:  

Quote:
It takes approx 3-4 minutes for the loading initrd to complete, same
thing as alpha2 but on another pc it would load probably twice as fast.
Both computers have blue ray drives.


The iso is about 200MB, so booting from slow media like a DVD could take a few minutes. Optical media read speed depends on a lot of different hardware factors. That may be completely normal. If you have a copy of 521 on DVD around, you could see how it compares.

Quote:
Pmusic version in FatDog is about a thousand years old!


Yes, I guess it is. I just downloaded 2.6.2. It will be in the next release.

Quote:
I found cpufreq-info which confirmed that power management was working by default.


Glad you got it sorted out. But be careful tweaking your CPU. Might start getting random crashes or even kill it.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 13:42    Post subject:  

Another awesome FATDOG. Running very well on my hardware. Is it on Distrowatch yet? If not, it ought to be.

ATI Radeon HD 6450 video driver ran out of the box. Neither the latest Ubuntu 12,04 nor Linux Mint 13 does this. Maybe the 3.4 series kernel is the reason. System using only 300MB memory with Seamonkey 2.10 loaded - great.

This distro does a lot for its 200MB size, very mature now with its multi-user capability. Users who are not used to having their own home folder should remember to place certain configuration files there and not in the root home folder. As an example, my .fonts.conf file for anti-aliased fonts did not work at all when saved to the normal Puppy root home folder. Only after creating a new user using the FATDOG Control Panel did this function OK.

Is there an sfs file available yet for FATDOG 600b1 for 32-bit libs? Or can I use the 32-bit sfs libs file from the 500 series?

Thanks for all the hard work on this.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2012, 18:22    Post subject: Grub4DosConfig 1.8  

Grub4DosConfig 1.8 now supports Fatdog64.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697

Note: Failed format floppy, tested on Fatdog64 alpha2 and beta1.
Code:
fdformat: can't stat '/dev/fd0u1440': No such file or directory

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