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#141 Post by antiloquax »

The post-person delivered.
I am very happy to say that the sd card I prepared with my arch-arm puppi filesystem and the boot partition from the original image booted up first time!
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#142 Post by antiloquax »

eowens2 wrote: When I do "startx" in the R_pi terminal I get the LXDE enviornment with LXTerminal, Midori, PCManFM plus a number of other applications.

When I do a "sudo xinit /usr/bin/jwm" in the R_pi terminal, I get an empty JWM screen. When I click on the JWM button in the left lower corner of the screen, I get all of the same menus (and active programs) that were in the LXDE desktop!

Question: How do I get "startx" to bring up the JWM enviornment rather than LXDE, and get rxvt and rox-filer as options in the menus rather than the applications that are default in LXDE?
You need to edit the "xinitrc" file. This is found in /etc/x11/xinit.

You can leave most of it as is, but add

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rox -p pin
jwm
at the end seems to work best.
Does Arch not have a repository of pre-compiled stuff that you can download from?
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Question #3: How do I change the screen resolution to something like 1024 x 768?
qemu lets you go up to 800x600. Try using the file I've attached a pic of as your xorg.conf.
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#143 Post by Lobster »

the sd card I prepared with my arch-arm puppi filesystem and the boot partition from the original image booted up first time!
This is the img I tried booting and failed? :oops:

I am having problems with my SD card, it is not booting to the standard Arch img at the moment.

Your img is far more developed than my early attempts so this would be a great alpha release . . .

So glad you have hardware :)
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#144 Post by antiloquax »

Hmmm, need to revise my earlier announcement :oops:
It did boot up as you could see, but no mouse or keyboard input was detected.
Since then I've been trying different set-ups. It seems than only one of the SD cards I own will actually work in the Pi. Hopefully I can overcome my input device problems later ...
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#145 Post by aarf »

antiloquax wrote:The post-person delivered.
I am very happy to say that the sd card I prepared with my arch-arm puppi filesystem and the boot partition from the original image booted up first time!
how far down the street did they hear you rejoicing from? congratulations abounding.

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#146 Post by antiloquax »

Yes, now I wish I'd stuck with that set-up a bit longer and tried to trouble-shoot it (I had no mouse or keyboard, it turned out). Instead, I tried starting again with preparing the SD card and I've had kernel panic problems ever since. Giving up now - will try in the morning.
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#147 Post by antiloquax »

Lobster wrote: This is the img I tried booting and failed? :oops:
Actually it's a later version than the one i shared online. But since that promising beginning, I've had no luck at all!
I think I need to buy a new SD card and start over in the morning. The only one I have that seems to want to work is <2gb. So, quite tricky to work with.
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#148 Post by Lobster »

It seems than only one of the SD cards I own will actually work
I had two SD cards ready, neither was any good. :?

Argos do a recommended Transcend card with no problems at a fair price.
http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeriphera ... g_SD_Cards

Your initial boot pic was an impressive success. 8)

The most usual prob with keyboard and mouse is using a hub. Go straight in to the two USB ports. Also the best USB keyboard and mouse are generic clones. I used an Apple keyboard to start with. The Apple keyboard had two USB ports so is a hub too - not ideal.
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#149 Post by Lobster »

Image

Guys we are very near to the bare metal
and our frustrations will be turned into success for later adopters.

The Debian image is very much more stable and complete . . .
BUT without a doubt the Arch image has the cutting edge speed we crave . . . 8)
http://archlinuxarm.org/

When Barry gets his Raspberry we will (all going well) have a woof2 standard base to work with.

Marks RacyPi innovation could be equally important 8)

It is important we document our successes.

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#150 Post by antiloquax »

I should have gone to argos ...
Instead I have spent quite a lot of time trying to fit the Arch image onto my sub 2gb card.
Anyway, getting somewhere now!
I will document any success, when I find it!
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#151 Post by eowens2 »

Many thanks antiloquax for the suggestion of adding "rox -p pin", "jwm" and "rox-filer" to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc". This worked very well! I also think that JWM is a little faster than LXDE.

As far as screen resolution is concerned, the Debian6 image does not seem to have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I thought that I was crazy and had maybe clobbered the file somehow, and I checked my recent installation of Ubuntu 11.04, and it did not have the file either!

I checked at wiki.debian.org/Xorg, and they said that sometimes Xorg probes your hardware at every startup for the info, and that xorg.conf may indeed not be present and the system can still function.
But you can force creation of the file by "/etc/init.d/gdm stop", "cd /etc/X11" and then "sudo Xorg -configure". I tried this and got "unable to open socket for inet 6", "no devices to configure" and "configuration failed".

I guess emulators do not allow certain things. It looks like messing around with the resolution will have to wait till I have the real hardware.

Here's an interesting development: a user on the R_pi site has fashioned a pi-laptop from a Motorola lapdock designed for an Atric android phone (66.99 pounds $84.49 USD) on amazon.com See http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 7&start=25 .

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#152 Post by Lobster »

I should be getting a second board over the next few days :mrgreen:

Meanwhile my SD card from a games shop seems to have burnt out after a month of Rpi usage - does not seem very reliable - Que? Too many read/writes?

Started refining the specs for Puppi
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchoolRaspberryPi

For pragmatic purposes these are likely to change

The proposed Puppi spec
  • Run in the 256MB ram of the Raspberry Pi at Puppy speed
    JWM - Joe's Window Manager and/or choice of window managers
    Rox File Manager (incidentally Rox was developed first on the ARM processor)
    Puppy mainstream programs
    Geany, Midori, Leafpad, Mtpaint, Xchat, Mhwaveedit, Transmission
    Puppi Package Manager and/or Appet based on QuickPet/SlickPet
    Puppi Control Panel
    Puppi Soft Phone
    Puppi GROWL Security
    MoManager - create non-english Puppi
    Styling options from Saluki
    Puppi Cloud support, Meebo, Gmail, Yahoo, IRC etc as available in Slacko
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#153 Post by scsijon »

Congradulations on your and your teams progress lobster, my you have progressed since i've been across doing testing with the mageia2 group, yes it's finished and out, so I can get back to my puppy world,

The boards hadn't even arrived back then and now your up and running!

As far as SD cards are concerned, most generally sold to the general public have a limited useage life, it's mentioned in the blurb supplied with them. However if you have access to a commercial photographer supplier you can get a commercial grade card, about 25% dearer but with much longer life and a big multiple in memory cycles.

It also may be worth having a plunge with qvwm as an alternate windowmanager, it's a 95/98/Nt lookalike and fun to use, especially as it's icon pixels rotate horizontally instead of vertically as most windowmanagers usually do.

congradulations again
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#154 Post by antiloquax »

My RPi is up and running.
I had to force some of the updates (I think some of my early problems were to do with udev - not really sure).

@Lobster - have we got a plan?
I have no idea how to proceed!! I can try compiling some things, and I will try to get my puppi-like set up running and in a form that I can share with other users.

I am going to try to attach my "system.jwmrc" from the best version of Puppi I made so far. Just so people can have a look and improve upon it.
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Attached is a screenshot from my RPi.
At the moment I am just using xorg-twm. The binaries I compiled on qemu seem okay so far.
I am having a few problems with usb devices. I have 2 hubs (both of which can be powered). When I try to power them, everything stops working! So far. I haven't been able to get my wifi adapter to work (although it was working yesterday!). I will def. have to have a bit of a break from setting up to do some programming. I have Vim and GCC so I'm happy!!
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#155 Post by Lobster »

antiloquax wrote: @Lobster - have we got a plan?
I have no idea how to proceed!! I can try compiling some things, and I will try to get my puppi-like set up running and in a form that I can share with other users.
We have a direction . . .
A Puppi like ISO image (.img file) is a good start and
I will give that a go as soon as you upload
Compiling is the right direction :)

As soon as a woof2 compile is available I shall most likely use that
For now go with what interests you.

Play and document. Have fun. :)

Let me try and put the whole Puppi, Raspberry Pi, PARM into context . . .

Puppi is part of a long term strategy to make Puppy available on next generation ARM tablets and future smart phones and other devices.

So for example the use of things such as touch screens, voice control and making use of Android or other plug in apps is eventually possible.

First however we have to work to a common goal and working for well documented, specific hardware - cheap enough for everyone to splash out. This has evolved into the Raspberry Pi commitment.

In 2013 we MAY be able to work to a common ready made Android/Smartphone/tablet hardware device with worldwide availability . . .

At that time we can ask people to make a hardware commitment and pick up any fellow strays on the way . . .

OK now putting a more detailed plan together . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppiPlan

Mark your input most welcome as you are already heavily involved with Raspberry Pi 8)
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#156 Post by Lobster »

Image
Congratulations on your and your teams progress lobster, my you have progressed since i've been across doing testing with the mageia2 group, yes it's finished and out, so I can get back to my puppy world,
Well I am glad you are back. 8)
I tried the new mageia2, went for an install and then started getting bogged down in partitioning, set up etc. Decided to return to what was already set up (did you guess) - yes Puppy . . . I may have another go when I have time . . .

My second Raspberry Pi board arrived (sorry guys, was unable to cancel - it just came from Farnell in Leeds in a jiffy bag) I ordered at least twice from both distributors.
I was in a Lobsterian geek hardware feeding frenzy - not a pretty sight - during the February ordering process . . . :oops:

Anyway . . . new logo (see pic) for the developing Plan
The plan is open, it really is the documentation of a trend . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppiPlan

By the way SD prices have gone up in the UK and Argos is no longer selling the Transcend SD card (according to their web site . . .)

Now that I have two boards I might be able to test the Puppi Supercomputer/server farm/ARM console Sickgut has planned . . .

Gosh I am all excited . . . :oops:
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#157 Post by antiloquax »

I think my second board is arriving today!
So far I still have only one working SD card!

EDIT
I now have 2 RPis. One is staying "mint in the box" at the moment.
I've also got a tdk 4gb sd card to boot the Pi up. I'm going to need the extra space (not least for some on-board swap-space).

I'm having better luck with one of my hubs now I am powering the Pi from it. Still not having much luck with wireless. I think it is a firmware issue. I haven't had a chance to look into this very much today (work can be very inconvenient at times).

Hoping to do a little coding tonight once I have the 4gb card populated with the file-system that I've been working with.
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#158 Post by Lobster »

antiloquax wrote:I think my second board is arriving today!
So far I still have only one working SD card!
I have not got one working SD card at the moment . . . :?

I got a new Texet 4GB SD card (class 4) from local shops and tried the Pisces Debian John mentions here . . . took ages to burn the image to the SD card
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 513#630513

It booted to prompt
added password
startx
and got a non working LXDE
. . . not good :cry:

tried the basic Arch image
- had problems

gonna have to use gparted or fdisk
as I think the SD card already has a
fat partition which is causing problems :roll:
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#159 Post by antiloquax »

Yes, the SD card thing seems to be very tricky!
I tried "dd" ing the 2nd partition from my stable card to the one that I'd got booting (but just with the original downloaded image on it). When I did "startx" on the copy I had mouse / keyboard problems again.

I decided to re-compile Python 3.14. For some reason, when I tried to copy across the version I had already built, I had some rather strange error messages (to do with $PYTHONHOME). I suppose I should have tried to research and fix this, but I went for the "easy" option and started again.

My Pi is now shaping up as a decent programming environment - Python (with Pygame), Ruby, Lua, GCC. I'm going to have a look at installing OpenJDK7 this evening.

The Computers-At-School people (as represented on the RPi forum by "Commander Coder" seem to be keen to see Greenfoot and GeoGebra on the RPi. I'm hoping to get those in place and then perhaps get JWM going.
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#160 Post by Lobster »

My Pi is now shaping up as a decent programming environment
Programming is the most developed aspect of the Debian Squeeze install. I was particularly impressed with the Scratch speed of loading. Not too fond of Scratch but kids like it.

We have to understand this SD thing.
I now remember we only got the SD card working initially after formatting from a Windows machine. Que?
I don't have a Windows machine in the house. I would feel dirty. :wink:

Something strange is going on. I blame the conspiracy theorists. :wink: ARM + Linux + formatting any SD card is surely possible? They surely should have a higher life expectancy of one month reliable usage?

OK gonna try pdisk (in Slacko - front end for fdisk and cfdisk), gparted and
fdisk, cfdisk (command line)

edit: just found I was using a very early image (March 2012) of Arch
- that might explain why I could not even use basic command line options such as updating pacman. Oh Buddha! :oops:

I am also having problems with:

1. Used cfdisk and removed all partitions from SD card
2. sdc not being recognized with drive icons
3. image copied from command line but SD writer still flashing
- will not remove until that stops or I get bored . . .

I am managing to keep my sanity (what little I have) by watching 'Green Wing' on 4OD for Ipad whilst awaiting long winded writes to SD.
Must admit I find the Ipad a useful ref. I can zoom into a web page of info and type in commands . . . I am really making use of the console/terminal/command line/bash prompt (are they not all the same?)
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