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harii4

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 444 Location: La Porte City, IA , U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue 15 May 2012, 18:49 Post_subject:
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Testing :
full hard drive install
Absolute linux 13.50
For an lite / small distro it seems bloated in its apps. K3b,GDM....ect.
Big bass's tools works
Not as easy as an puppy - TXZ-pup
you can run as "root"
why is there no lite slackware distros out there?
they all use kde bloat ?
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9476 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Wed 16 May 2012, 06:02 Post_subject:
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Slackware seems to have their own agenda on how to do things.
A variant or fork of slackware is Slax and them have managed
to make rather small versions. Porteus works great but I am Nooby
so you have to test and decide on your own. My judgement is naive.
http://porteus.org/
"Porteus is a complete linux operating system that is optimized to run from CD,
USB flash drive, hard drive, or other bootable storage media.
It's small (under 300Mb) and insanely fast which allows you to start up
and get online while most other operating systems are left spitting dust.
Porteus comes in both 32 & 64 bit and aims to keep on the bleeding edge.
It also supports several different languages and the user forum has language sections."
They even claim it boots in 15 secons Their forum is helpful and
even accepted my extremely naive questions and lack of good manners.
Other Slax also works rather okay but Porteus seems to have greatest followings.
Slackware fans does not seem to like that Porteus is that popular.
They don't seem to accept it to be slackware despite being compatible???
Oops forgot to tell that Porteus can boot to root and save on NTFS frugal install. AFAIK have poor memory I trust that I gave menu.lst code in their
forum for my install I have handle newbody over there IIRC
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1235
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Posted: Thu 17 May 2012, 15:11 Post_subject:
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| harii4 wrote: | Testing :
full hard drive install
Absolute linux 13.50
For an lite / small distro it seems bloated in its apps. K3b,GDM....ect.
Big bass's tools works
Not as easy as an puppy - TXZ-pup
you can run as "root"
why is there no lite slackware distros out there?
they all use kde bloat ?  |
I know of one light Slackware-derived distro - Vector 7 Light. I use it myself and it's well worth a look. Salix is fairly lightweight too, at least the version I know best (LXDE).
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harii4

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 444 Location: La Porte City, IA , U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue 22 May 2012, 17:38 Post_subject:
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@Colonel Panic
Vector 7 Light and Salix OS are great but use different tools than pkgtools of standard slackware.
I find it weird that Absolute linux mixes all the libs - Qt4,KDE and gtk2 into one distro.
With Big Bass' TXZ_pup tools i can install .pets (pet2slack) to Absolute linux.
Working on adding Pburn - not having the greatest luck with it yet.
Think "pussy linux" but with slackware
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James C

Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4768 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Tue 22 May 2012, 18:58 Post_subject:
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Mageia 2 was finally released today....at least there's a version besides Gnome 3.
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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Wed 23 May 2012, 04:07 Post_subject:
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Thanks guys . . . Mageia 2 . . . promised never to use the duck (Mandrake type OS) after they sacked their chief developer . . .
but I am fickle . . . I even have an Apple tablet (is their no end to my depravity . . . I hear Windows 8 is . . . no . . . even I have limits)
Anyway I got lulled . . .
I downloaded the dual option CD Mageia 2
and the installation was Windows like
. . . was easy, graphical, reassuring . . .
It promised to put the operating system on my Windows partition
- wait a minute I don't have . . . oh OK I have an old NTFS partition
. . . well that failed
OK it gently offered somewhere else.
Impressive!
It was all set up and ready to boot.
I rebooted
Dumped to a command line.
Could I get it to work?
Yes.
Am I gonna?
No.
Back in Puppy
OK gonna try another bloatware installation
. . . so many to choose from . . .
I might even stick to Puppy hopping (like distro hopping
but all done in the kennel)
Have not tried Saluki for a while . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Saluki
or maybe FatSlacko
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=624110#624110
Puppy Linux
Simply Penguin
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9476 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Sat 26 May 2012, 16:54 Post_subject:
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Has any of you tested this one from Bell Lab?
The creators of Unix?
This one is named Plan9 and link is here
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/
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oui
Joined: 20 May 2005 Posts: 1663 Location: near Woof (Germany) :-) Acer Laptop emachines 2 GB RAM AMD64. franco-/germanophone, +/- anglophone
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Posted: Sat 26 May 2012, 19:14 Post_subject:
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| Tman wrote: | | But like Puppy, Slitaz is small, and extremely fast. |
until Slitaz 3.0 you did have the possibility to do about the same as in Puppy (I don't know Slitaz 4.0 excepted in commando line )...
but Slitaz is not a special system: it was initially a French language Linux, a really small and little Mandrake, for Swiss people because especially Puppy did never support Swiss or US int. keyboard and handle in some kind respectless with other languages as English (some keymaps stay wrong till today in Puppy, seems to never be actualized so that the orthography control till today always claims the same things as the same words can only be written with wrong characters and work correctly in all other Linux distributions I know). Initially the creator of Slitaz spoke only French enough but did immediately spend a big energy to create a multi-language system with French, his tongue, German, the tongue of a lot of Swiss People, Italian the third tongue of Swiss People and, not Romansh, but English. He did show the world it is a wrong conception to thing that multilingual ability is to complex to be handled with a small OS: Slitaz 1.0 did immediately work in above 4 languages and was only 20 Mb
the ways and choices in Slitaz are different as in Puppy: Slitaz is not a name but the set of start char's of words saying what it is, and the "i" in Slitaz is for Independent (the new version 4.0 that can't use one my PC's in X, X don't start, seems to be made from adapted sources from LSF). Slitaz did always have his own depository, his version control system, his wiki, use a mercurial repository, where all knowledge is open to all contributors wishing to do it, and vanilla software, and has the normal Linux usages concerning user login and password and all controls concerning owner's etc. only there is a predefined standard user.
the consequence is: you need to install exact as organized in the package system. it can allow smart installations but it produces generally more heavy environments as Puppy especially if you install the stuff being added in Puppy in the smart development *.sfs's! for this reason it is not always so
| Tman wrote: | | On my system, Slitaz is smaller than Puppy even after I install all the similiar types of packages. This is becuase Slitaz does not use a savefile...it compresses it's entire filesystem upon save into a single "rootfs.gz" file and loads that file at startup. The previous rootfs.gz file gets backed up, but it can be removed to reduce space. |
that Slitaz would be really smaller than Puppy. I did often have the case that Puppy is really smaller after a complete remaster.
and you need the adequate RAM memory since Slitaz 3.0: the system was not adequate to start with only a part of the start file and load the rest on demand! on my laptop with 2 Gb RAM I did load only until about 640 Mb zip compressed and less if squashed (about 480 Mb).
on my actual desktop computer I am better using because of the high resolution external screen that I don't have on the laptop, I can start puppy.sfs until 640 Mb squashed and add more stuff external with only 1 Gb RAM, where it was builded, and it starts also on the PC from my wife with only 650 Mb RAM!
Slitaz did never search to generate more than one actual official long time stable version and one actual development always modified version. user don't distribute ISO's or system.gz's but provides flavours, an other form of individual creativity and has efficient tools to do it
| Quote: | | Eg. Think of Puppy using only the main.sfs at bootup. Once you save, it would compress everything into a new main sfs, backing up the old one...it would not use a save file. |
it is correct and it is a great inconvenient as Slitaz manages very strong the owner rights by transactions between partitions and other logical units as RAM etc.
| Quote: | | What I don't like about Slitaz is that I don't feel the sense of community in the Slitaz forum compared to Puppy. Also, the Puppy forum contains a lot more useful information. (IMO) |
Slitaz did start with a mailing list. this mailing list was never included into the forum. as far is the forum only for people making somewhat completely regular at Linux point of view! people handling with code and development visit better the mailing list, and the completely open development tools: you can clone the complete mercurial base on your own PC!
as the system is more conform, the user problems are very different. they meet sometimes really tricky hardware problems, don't find the access to the right tools etc.
I find it is absolutely not possible to compare.
and a lot of user did never like the forum as long as the French language was the main language of the distribution.
now did Slitaz decide to use English Language as main language outside of the mailing lists and a lot of old Slitaz users as I having yet problems in English migrate to other things as Mandriva, Zenwalk, Nutyx, divers Ubuntu and Debian derivates as Debris (also under 200 Mb, also in 4 languages as also made in Switzerland) or to the French subdivision of the Puppy forum etc.
this change of the main language was not very profitable for Slitaz...
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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Sat 26 May 2012, 21:24 Post_subject:
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Thanks oui, very interesting info.
I did have a go with Perfect Pangolin as Barry is creating a Upup based on this . . .
Excellent simple boot up from the CD started . . .
So I went straight to install mode.
Now in the past I would have a complete HD for the install.
However the install procedure did offer to create an install
on a section of my HD.
Not simple.
In the end from what I remember
is I need to create two partitions
one boot and one swap for the install.
I could not do this efficiently or easily from the Ubintu boot CD.
What I did last time was create these with gparted (and also possibly fdisk) from Puppy and then run the Ubuntu install again.
It is not worth the effort, as I look at Ubuntu,
install a few programs from their excellent package manager
and then use Puppy anyway . . .
The problem with the 'very simple' distros is they are great until
you actually have to take into account your needs. Then you need specialised penguin knowledge.
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9476 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Sun 27 May 2012, 05:18 Post_subject:
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Interesting to read about Slitaz.
Thanks for sharing that information.
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1235
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Posted: Tue 29 May 2012, 17:44 Post_subject:
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I've just been trying the latest version of ZevenOS. It looks spartan but clean and runs well on my old machine (hey that nearly rhymed ),but suffers from the usual problem of Ubuntu-derived distros (with the possible exception of Mint, for some reason) - Flash is unstable and doesn't work well.
Also, I've kust downloaded the new version of Quelitu, a distro based on Lubuntu and which I know someone here uses. I haven't installed it yet but it looks promising.
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Swaphead

Joined: 04 Nov 2010 Posts: 23
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Posted: Wed 30 May 2012, 17:36 Post_subject:
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I've been using a full install of Xubuntu 12.04 for about a week.
(I've ditched Lubuntu as there is no LTS, whereas Xubuntu has 3 years
support)
Mp3 and Flash played out of the box, but I had to install
the libavcodec-extra-53 package (!?) before ffmpeg would convert to mp3.
The Software Centre has crashed on me a couple of times, but there are
no broken packages. Other than that it's been solid.
It's an excellent O/S for Linux newbies to cut their teeth on IMHO, as I've managed to get it looking how I want it quite easily -
and if I can, anyone can!
I'd be confident of installing this on a friend/relative's computer
and not being called upon often (if at all) to sort out any issues or
cock-ups.
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Monsie

Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 470 Location: Kamloops BC Canada
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Posted: Thu 31 May 2012, 01:40 Post_subject:
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Hi all,
For those of us who are running Wary Puppy on a Pentium 3... I discovered about a week ago that Mepis Linux 8.0.15 runs very nicely. This was a surprise because debian 5 will not install on my system for some reason... and so I never thought about trying Mepis until just recently. Since I use debian at work, this is a bonus.
This distro is almost pure debian, and uses the KDE desktop. It is the last version of Mepis to include built-in support for my ati Rage video card. It runs well with 384 mb of ram, though after a while, I end up using a very small swap file... < 10mb.
Mepis 8 uses the 2.6.27 kernel which is LTS type, and this particular distro is still under active support even though it is based on debian lenny which was archived earlier this year. It installs the smp kernel by default, so to get full support on a Pentium 3, one must install and switch to the uni kernel... (when I did so, I then had a driver for my Riptide audio card).
It's nice to be able to run a distro on my old computer that includes full help packages and documentation that works with the intended application --Gimp etc.
Monsie
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1235
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Posted: Thu 31 May 2012, 05:18 Post_subject:
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| Monsie wrote: | Hi all,
For those of us who are running Wary Puppy on a Pentium 3... I discovered about a week ago that Mepis Linux 8.0.15 runs very nicely. This was a surprise because debian 5 will not install on my system for some reason... and so I never thought about trying Mepis until just recently. Since I use debian at work, this is a bonus.
This distro is almost pure debian, and uses the KDE desktop. It is the last version of Mepis to include built-in support for my ati Rage video card. It runs well with 384 mb of ram, though after a while, I end up using a very small swap file... < 10mb.
Mepis 8 uses the 2.6.27 kernel which is LTS type, and this particular distro is still under active support even though it is based on debian lenny which was archived earlier this year. It installs the smp kernel by default, so to get full support on a Pentium 3, one must install and switch to the uni kernel... (when I did so, I then had a driver for my Riptide audio card).
It's nice to be able to run a distro on my old computer that includes full help packages and documentation that works with the intended application --Gimp etc.
Monsie |
Thanks for the tip Monsie. If you like Mepis but have an old computer there's also AntiX, which is based on Mepis but is designed to run on less demanding hardware; its developer anticapitalista even posts here sometimes.
- CP
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Colonel Panic

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Posted: Thu 31 May 2012, 05:28 Post_subject:
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| d4p wrote: | Read/write root access:
-Plop Linux 422
-SlackelLive KDE 4.8.2-1
Swiftlinux 0-2-0-reg base on Mint can boot off very fast
Boot time comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTdWCoOo8dE |
I've tried the 2011 edition of Swift. It's a great live disk but installation didn't go well on my machine and I always had problems logging into it. I've got an old and ropey hard drive though, so my experience may not be typical.
I also gather that the new version of Swift doesn't set up the network connection automatically in a live session any more, as the old one did.
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