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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 20:33    Post subject:  

But, I wasn't sure if I THANKED YOU for adding IPSCAN (AngryIP) to the PPM. It really is a useful tool for any of us LAN users..

Maybe next release will have it in the system's Menu>Network>AngryIP.

This is a very forward-thinking distro. Impressive.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 02:59    Post subject: glxgears
Subject description: opengl
 

I saw in the first post mesa was mentioned. Could not confirm.

When I check glxgears, it gives an error "I couldn't get a RGB double buffered visual". Under HW info, OpenGL is "unknown".
Running on eeePC (i945 video)
If I run Slacko 5.3.3, and install mesa package, OpenGL works.
Not on FatSlacko.

Any idea ?

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 03:15    Post subject: Re: glxgears
Subject description: opengl
 

Volhout wrote:
I saw in the first post mesa was mentioned. Could not confirm.

When I check glxgears, it gives an error "I couldn't get a RGB double buffered visual". Under HW info, OpenGL is "unknown".
Running on eeePC (i945 video)
If I run Slacko 5.3.3, and install mesa package, OpenGL works.
Not on FatSlacko.

Any idea ?

Volhout


yes, wrong xorg.conf, my fault. You need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf @ line 32 put # symbol at the beginning of the line, restart X, glxgears will then work.

EDIT.. ok I made a pet with a proper fix
xorg-fix-1.pet
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 09:08    Post subject: FAT is beautiful
Subject description: Simple noobie questions
 

Hi everybody.
Just arrived in Linux and Puppy world.
Being a Linux noob but not afraid of getting my hands into something new,
I'd like to ask a couple of simple questions.
I've read something about the Puppy project in general, and I have to say
that it looks fantastic.
The FAT derivative is also more intriguing. Many things already there, ready
for use.
First question:
Considering the reports about missing things or bugs or whatever comes,
the distro is going to be corrected so that the new iso contains the patches
needed to make it works Out Of The Box (as they say)?
Second question:
Many of us (I suppose) own far more powerful PCs than the minimum
required to run a Puppy, so what about making distros even fatter with
other programs people tend to use, like: Chromium, Jdownloader, Skype
and so on?

I think many of us can use a 4-8 Gb partition for a full HD install with
a 2 GB SWAP extra partition.
I'm probably saying stupid things for experts Puppy geeks, but as I said I am only a noob Shocked

Thanks for your time

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 09:34    Post subject:  

Hi frktons,

The future is unpredictable, but read the two posts immediately above yours and consider when you last saw a developer publish a solution within 16 minutes. Of course that's quick, even for Puppy, some volunteers sleep sometimes and some even have paid jobs and other unpaid tasks.

As regards your second question, have a look at Slickpet and also Puppy Package Manager (PPM) where you can use the Find box to see if any of the packages you would like installed are readily available.

Finally, you may like a frugal installation or some other choice rather than a full installation - so perhaps take your time for trials and thoughts.

My regards

PS I'm no expert - just a fully satisfied user.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 09:55    Post subject:  

Thanks Jasper.
I agree, maybe some of my doubts will clear up as I delve into the
documentation and try some solutions by myself.
After that, if I get lost I can always ask over here Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 17:41    Post subject:  

Hello frktons and welcome to Puppy Land!

Quote:
Considering the reports about missing things or bugs or whatever comes,
the distro is going to be corrected so that the new iso contains the patches
needed to make it works Out Of The Box (as they say)?
I do intend to maintain this release and so far the bugs are relatively minor. If you do need the bug fixes in a CD to run live only, which is basically for what this distro fork is intended, then it should be possible to do an installation, add all current bugfixes only, then use the Puppy remaster tool and you will have a fixed release.

Quote:
Many of us (I suppose) own far more powerful PCs than the minimum
required to run a Puppy, so what about making distros even fatter with
other programs people tend to use, like: Chromium, Jdownloader, Skype
and so on?
The reasoning behind what software one decides to include in a Puppy distro is governed by the target hardware. As you will see in the first post I have a "Minimum System Requirements" section and this Puppy should run fine on those targets loading fully into RAM. Why? Because that is the design of Puppy, to run in RAM. It will run on a machine with less RAM but there is a severe performance hit as the CD will stay mounted because the OS has to read the CD to operate, and we all know that reading from a CD (or DVD) is slow. Just FYI, puppy unpacks into RAM approximately twice the size of the main sfs file located on the boot media, it's the file with the sfs extension.
So, a line has to be drawn somewhere depending on the target hardware.


I hope this goes some way to explaining why I didn't make FATSlacko obese Wink . It's still relatively small as a linux distro goes for the features it packs. once again, it should be possible to remaster with some extra programs to fatten FATSlacko some more.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2012, 21:36    Post subject:  

Thanks Micko.

You have done a nice job and it is ready to be personalized.
I actually have a broad idea on how to do it, just need some time to
read and learn something about Puppy Land. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012, 16:14    Post subject: UTF-8 Encoding  

On initial boot, I selected UTF-8 in FirstRUN. I run a Live media system.

But, when using Geany, I've getting IS0-8859 encoding???

Even though this is an easy thing to fix (when spotted) in Geany, shouldn't
this have been handled when the desktop restarted? Or is this hard-coded in Geany?

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2012, 00:07    Post subject: Pet for FATSlacko - Docear PDF management
Subject description: Docear Freeplane deriviative requires java1.6.0
 

Cheers 01micko, (EDIT how do I always get your name wrong?)

I'm really enjoying FATSlacko on my Lenovo T60 (2Ghz, 2GB ram). Mucking about recently, I just downloaded the latest Beta (3) for Linux of Docear http://www.docear.org/ - from their website:
Quote:
Docear – The Academic Literature Suite

Docear (pronounced dog-ear) is what we call an “academic literature suite”. It integrates everything you need to search, organize and create academic literature in a single application: a digital library, reference manager, PDF and file manager, note taking and mind mapping.And the best: Docear works seamlessly with many existing tools like Mendeley, Microsoft Word, and Foxit Reader.

Docear is free and open source, based on Freeplane, funded by the German Federal Ministry of Technology and developed by scientists from around the world, among others from OvGU, and the University of California, Berkeley.


Well- I extracted the tar.gz straight to root, clicked on "docear.sh" in the newly-generated "docear-1.0.0_beta3_build72" directory AND IT WORKED OOTB after I got through the registration process.
Now I've been a serial pest on the forums regarding pets for this software- and there have been recent requests from others on the Saluki thread for example - thought I'd have a ding at creating a pet of my own.

So here it is,nearly 34MB, compiled within FATSlacko:
http://www.mydrive.net/
username: puppyt
password: puppylinux
MD5: 97f36e067c29441ae6aa08f4892d01f0 docear-1.0.0_beta3_build72.pet

See what you think? For users in other puppy versions I can't give advice as yet, but java 1.6.0 is the major dependency.
Again - My First Pet so any feedback /repackaging/etc warmly welcome,
Thanks Smile

EDIT: Bugger. Just removed the previous install and ran the pet here to re-test. BROKEN. DON'T DOWNLOAD MY PET! Not only do I seem to have an error in the reconstituted file structure (there are 3 directories normally loaded into root - 1 is hidden) - but also I forgot to include a Menu entry. Can't work out the error diagnostics at present, but will try again shortly. Apologies all...

EDIT2 (23rd May): Still 'no go' with my effort at a pet. I've polished various internals re Menu entries and extra icon creation etc, but have apparently broken something while trying to point the exec to the "docear.sh" file in the default library "/root/docear-1.0.0_beta3_build72". Unistall and re-install of the tar.gz has Docear operational again. Java path search looks kosher, maybe the Freeplane directory could be better organised if someone was serious about constructing a proper pet. Tis beyond my ken, so I'll pitch a request. Cheers Sad

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 17:07    Post subject: making a PET for FAT Slcako  

THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE! BUT, i'm going to go out on a limb to assist by asking few questions
Puppyt wrote:
... I just downloaded the latest Beta (3) for Linux of Docear http://www.docear.org/ - from their website: ...
  • You mentioned that you did an "untar" and this worked perfectly. I believe there is a tar2pet feature with PUPs that would allow your tar file to become a PET without the need to compile.. Did you try this?

  • Also, you mentioned compiling. So after your compiling and linking the compiled program into the system. Did you test it to see if it worked OK prior to making the PET?

  • And, as I remember, there is a src2pet package which will take your compile into a PET for you. Was this tried? As well, are you aware that by posting your efforts on that site, those that do this all the time will find your problem and ensure guidance for compiling source into a Puppy PET.
Just trying to understand. Here to help

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 22:55    Post subject:  

Cheers gcmartin,
those tips are great - yes I'll give them a try soon (work beckons), 666philb has already given me some additional tips on SFS production on the 'Request' section of the forums.
While I want to get a working puppy pet/sfs of Docear available come hell or high water, my additional goal is to post a 'how to' with screenies and other notations made to reach that goal. A comparison of different strategies used -such as you have raised - to achieve a working pet (etc) and success/fail I think would be helpful to demystify/troubleshoot pets made by 'L'-plate end-users like my myself. With my currently uploaded pet I haven't been able to locate an error log (if any generated) to flag whether the fault lies with re-locating JRE etc.
Sorry 01micko for hijacking the FATSlacko thread for this - as I said the Docear "raw" tar.gz works out of the box in this derivative. Big Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 19:14    Post subject:  

LibreOffice (LO)

When LO is opened to full-screen, the X desktop crashes at ALL resolutions on this laptop. I have the same problem when using the Intel driver or when switching to Vesa. The system test were done at Pristine, boot.

I have attached the My FATDOG laptop system report for review.

Is this an X problem or an LO problem?

Here to help
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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2012, 10:58    Post subject: FATSlacko
Subject description: QupZilla
 

I made a pet of QupZilla, a QT web browser, this works in Fatslacko
which has all of the dependencies included.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2012, 18:45    Post subject: Re: FATSlacko
Subject description: QupZilla
 

Billtoo wrote:
I made a pet of QupZilla, a QT web browser, this works in Fatslacko
which has all of the dependencies included.

That picture is obvously a happy Windoze user
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