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Microsoft, Puppy and the UDF Format
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zigbert


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 15:10    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
try do modprobe udf then mount the disc on command line "mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom"
Will do next time I get a windows-burnt disc in house


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 15:27    Post subject:  

Smithy wrote:
If I can achieve the same thing with Pburn in a multisession way, that would do!
The only reason for using UDF (as I see it) is if your files are more than 4Gb. Else, a multisession with ISO9660 combined with an extended filesystem (Rockridge and/or Joliet) would be just perfect.

The above answer is only true if you mean audio-files written to a data-CD/DVD. If you on the other side actually mean an audio CD, you wouldn't use UDF, so ISO9660 would obviously also fail (Pburn supports burning Audio-CD). Audio-DVD is a completely different story. It is a set standard, but never active used. If this is what you are talking about, we have to dig deeper to learn more about the Audio-DVD specs.


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 15:28    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
Pburn is an awesome goodness that I only use but don't understand Smile
I guess that mean my coding is unreadable Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 16:51    Post subject:  

The mount command should normally load the udf driver by itself .

If mount fails, it indicates a incompatibility with the driver or something written on the dvd disk like a MBR or whatever makes mount-FULL binary believe something is not (100%) correct or whatever .

I can mount udf dvd without problems, if i haven't experimented too much with them .

mount has got the '-s' option to tolerate sloppy mounts .
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Mount options for udf

udf is the "Universal Disk Format" filesystem defined by the Optical Storage Technology Association, and is often used for DVD-ROM. See also iso9660.

gid=
Set the default group.

umask=

Set the default umask. The value is given in octal.

uid=

Set the default user.

unhide

Show otherwise hidden files.

undelete
Show deleted files in lists.
nostrict
Unset strict conformance.

iocharset
Set the NLS character set.
bs=
Set the block size. (May not work unless 2048.)

novrs

Skip volume sequence recognition.

session=
Set the CDROM session counting from 0. Default: last session.
anchor=
Override standard anchor location. Default: 256.
volume=
Override the VolumeDesc location. (unused)
partition=
Override the PartitionDesc location. (unused)
lastblock=
Set the last block of the filesystem.
fileset=
Override the fileset block location. (unused)
rootdir=
Override the root directory location. (unused)


So i would try something like
Code:
mkdir /mnt/DVD
mount-FULL -s -o nostrict /dev/sr0 /mnt/DVD

The codepage option might be of interest, too ; for now i have no idea about the codepage thingy.
Default codepage is mostly cp437 for western i think .
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 18:57    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
jamesbond wrote:
Pburn is an awesome goodness that I only use but don't understand Smile
I guess that mean my coding is unreadable Rolling Eyes

It's a compliment, really Very Happy It means pburn works so well that I never need to see the innards to figure out what's wrong with it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 02:12    Post subject:  

Udf is iso of a different number,

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2116688522&t=74519

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2012, 06:49    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Smithy wrote:
If I can achieve the same thing with Pburn in a multisession way, that would do!
The only reason for using UDF (as I see it) is if your files are more than 4Gb. Else, a multisession with ISO9660 combined with an extended filesystem (Rockridge and/or Joliet) would be just perfect.

The above answer is only true if you mean audio-files written to a data-CD/DVD. If you on the other side actually mean an audio CD, you wouldn't use UDF, so ISO9660 would obviously also fail (Pburn supports burning Audio-CD). Audio-DVD is a completely different story. It is a set standard, but never active used. If this is what you are talking about, we have to dig deeper to learn more about the Audio-DVD specs.


Sigmund


Hi Zigbert, yes I am just burning data, wavs, .pod files (music application file) so I will try out multisession. If I was burning 4gb+ I would just burn a closed DVD.

Giving up on reading my old discs now as after trying various codes on this thread, the Veritas/Sonic udf/packet writing formatted discs could not be read.

Cheers to everyone for help on this issue !
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PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012, 06:13    Post subject:  

@Karl

Quote:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/DVD
mount-FULL -s -o nostrict /dev/sr0 /mnt/DVD


i tested this to read udf disc burned by nero linux and it work.

shouldnt this be implemented in puppy ?

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PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012, 12:39    Post subject: Blueray boot  

Just got a blu ray burner and a 50 pkg. PuppyLinux has some unpolished support. But no coasters yet. Pburn throws an error but disks are readible in mythbunu, but not puppy 5.3.3

Working on it and will have something in a few weeks
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PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012, 23:56    Post subject:  

Hey Ted! Long time no hear from you. Very Happy

Late last year I got a LG Blu-Ray burner and several Kodak BU-RE disks to learn on. I found that Pburn generally has no trouble burning to Blu-Ray disks, including rewritable ones, though there was some odd thing I can't remember. I may have mentioned it in the Pburn thread.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2012, 18:51    Post subject:  

add -UDF and remove Joilet switches works for my blu-ray bootable puppies.
I made a little script/system. First open a downloaded puppy-version iso. click and copy everything inside the iso into a isotemp folder copy or move (what I did, its faster on the same drive) large file stuffs up to 24.02 G as shown by right clicking on isotemp folder and properties. Then run the burn script, 35mins later repeat, until all files are backed up. Hope to finish backing up my 'storage' 1.5T HD to blu-ray bootable data discs before Shocked Monday. Need to add a 'beep' or 'bark' to the script, this blu-ray burner is so quiet I can't tell if its finished burning.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 18:37    Post subject:  

Master_wrong wrote:
@Karl

Quote:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/DVD
mount-FULL -s -o nostrict /dev/sr0 /mnt/DVD


i tested this to read udf disc burned by nero linux and it work.

shouldnt this be implemented in puppy ?

Thanks


Really dont know for the moment ..

Have a quriky burner atm that only cp 1GB from a disk- no more, but burned PUPPY 130 MB OK ...

Many of my old UDF would not mount with it, will have to test to mount them with a reader-only .. have to rearrange the cables .. might be a kernel issue .. will have to test on vista .. at least i was not able to mkudffs on it .

But nice to hear that it worked for you . Bookmarked this page .. cos i cannot remember the syntax exactly some days later ..
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Aug 2012, 16:48    Post subject:  

Sorry to put the bushel in front of the light, but I'd like to ask what may be an essential question...

What is the utility of the UDF format nowadays ?

And its corollary:

What is the utility of having UDF in Puppy? (Besides reading data from UDF CD's burnt in Windows or other distros, of course.)

Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Aug 2012, 17:22    Post subject: I recently ran into some issues with UDF media  

I recently received a couple of sticks of files that Windows users have burned onto Live media (DVD). No PUPPY that I have would read them.

At first, I had assume that I had made some mistakes. So, that what led me to try differing distros. I tried
    LightHouse64 - My 64bit production system
    FatSlacko - My 32bit production system
    RACY, Puppy, FatDOG601, etc.
For those who are unaware of this problem, this may help you:
Scenario
Windows user uses their system to copy a file (say an ISO, for instance) to a new DVD media. It is given to you. You wait for your PUP to register its icon and you click on it when it arrives onto your desktop.

(What was so embarrassing about this is that they were staring over my shoulder as I was "flailing" around the desktop trying to read this in front of these seasoned Windows users. Sheer embarrassment!)

The only system(s) that I have which had no problem with the media is Windows and my MAC.

I, too, thought this odd and am hoping that the recent distros in alpha-beta-RC testing acknowledge this thread and add this into the system, OOTB....please. As minor as this may seem, addressing this should help the broad spectrum on our community.

Thanks for understanding the need of something which is expected to be so simple...reading media without thinking about its formats/protocols.

Here to help.
Edited to add picture of the desktop error resulting when DVD clicked
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Aug 2012, 19:41    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Sorry to put the bushel in front of the light, but I'd like to ask what may be an essential question...

What is the utility of the UDF format nowadays ?

And its corollary:

What is the utility of having UDF in Puppy? (Besides reading data from UDF CD's burnt in Windows or other distros, of course.)

Thanks in advance.


I believe all DVD-Video and Blu-Ray video discs are written using different versions of UDF. Not sure about commercially-released/retail data DVDs/BDs - I haven't checked, but they're probably also written using a UDF format (like ISO+UDF).

I think most burning programs also default to a hybrid UDF mode when burning data DVDs.

Overall, I'd say that if you plan to work with DVDs or BDs from some outside source, you'll probably have to deal with UDF-format discs at some point.

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