Saluki

[jemimah]

Hi,

I have a laptop with intel core duo with 1g ram and I install Saluki frugal in a nfst vista partition , without swap.

The problem its that the laptop its getting freeze complete , I have to poweroff removing battery. I was using web browser lightly . Also some times the memory begins to increase to 800mb .

Where could be the problem , How resolve that

I like Saluki but now....

Thanks!

Hi taca0 i had this problem when first setting up saluki. unlike other puppy os, which need only 3 files for a frugal install, saluki needs 4 for a frugal setup. You need these files vmlinuz, intrid.gz, saluki.sfs and zdriv.sfs which will give you a working puplet.

You will also notice an adrive.sfs file. this contains all the apps added ontop of the saluki operating system in the saluki build. if run without adrive you will have very limited apps installed and it will be very bare boned.

if you ever use the saluki custom builder it will build a new adrive.sfs file with your changes. any new apps added and ones you remove and any other changes you want to make. then you just replace the original adrive with your new built one

I must also note it is a good idea to allow puppy to make a small swap file on the partition, swap is useful if you may run out of ram, or if you want to put puppy in sleep or hibernation. A 512mb swap should be ok for general use, but, for sleep and hibernation the save file should be at least the same size as the amount of ram(this is true of any linux operating system). swap file should will be great.

remember saluki works a bit different that the standard slacko, lupu, wary and racy puppies. I hope this helps clear things up and you have fun using saluki.

If you're using Midori for browsing, you should install Firefox, Opera, or Chrome. Midori is still a bit unstable and the memory leak is probably Midori's fault.

[jemimah]

Here is Freeplane, this needs java to run http://www.smokey01.com/saluki/Geoffrey ... 1.3_10.pet 16.4 MB (17,242,265 Bytes)
please test, if it works as it should it will be moved to the repository

I added freeplane to the repo.

I will work on the rest of the requests after the saluki 022 release.

[gcmartin]

... i have been thinking about

1. latest release forum support link: it would be really handy to have a link on the first page of this post for each release(or for releases from now on) to link to the page where the support for that version begins. eg the page you announce the release on. make it a tone easier especially if there are 10 or more pages to look through. I think this makes real sense and saves the usual separate posting for each new version that can make the forums hard to find things. keep it up.
2. ...
3. ...

@Jemimah, I think this is a good suggestion for those developers who come up with really popular distros and have successive releases.

Some developers also employ a "new" thread for each new distro so as to corral the posting's information, assistance and comments. This might help in insuring that releases we comment on are not mixed. And, it should help developers and assistants as they follow product progress as well as make it a little easier for those testing to relate their test findings to the specific release(s).

If you find it a method of reducing your workload, run with it.

Thanks for all of what you've done for us in this community. Hope this helps

[gcmartin]

Hi jemimah:

I'll intend to tell her about Ctl-Alt-Backspace anyway, but I couldn't find Xorgwizard on the Menu or by typing it into the Control Panel's Searchbox. Maybe I missed it. But it should be there for complete noobs.

@HiDeHo has already shared one approach. @DaveMusic has too.

I would use "Personalize Settings" as it provides a single reflection of the system localization where xorgwizard and other display settings are apparent.

hope this helps

[Geoffrey]

Here you go, a list of latest release forum links. there seems to be no 002 listed, so 002 must be the first post.


Saluki-003 Saluki-004 Saluki-005 Saluki-006 Saluki-007 Saluki-008 Saluki-009 Saluki-010 Saluki-011 Saluki-012

Saluki-013 Saluki-014 Saluki-015 Saluki-016 Saluki-017 Saluki-018 Saluki-019 Saluki-020 Saluki-021

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[url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=589674#589674]Saluki-003[/url] [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=592499#592499]Saluki-004[/url] [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=593678#593678]Saluki-005[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=595056#595056]Saluki-006[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=597356#597356] Saluki-007[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=598823#598823]Saluki-008[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=600225#600225]Saluki-009[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=601809#601809]Saluki-010[/url] [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=603317#603317]Saluki-011[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=606272&sid=9688e9ac3f4e75e6e2b447dbf45ea060#606272]Saluki-012[/url] 

[url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=609103&sid=63173686e49245a5c4ff17cabee70b51#609103]Saluki-013[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=610606#610606]Saluki-014[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=613608#613608]Saluki-015[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=614701&sid=6a0d03c0e7d4a0ba695118eb90ed0ee2#614701]Saluki-016[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=615987#615987]Saluki-017[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=617799#617799]Saluki-018[/url]  [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=619995#619995]Saluki-019[/url]  [url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=621806#621806]Saluki-020[/url] [url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=622778#622778]Saluki-021[/url]

[HiDeHo]

Here you go, a list of latest release forum links. there seems to be no 002 listed, so 002 must be the first post.


Saluki-003 Saluki-004 Saluki-005 Saluki-006 Saluki-007 Saluki-008 Saluki-009 Saluki-010 Saluki-011 Saluki-012

Saluki-013 Saluki-014 Saluki-015 Saluki-016 Saluki-017 Saluki-018 Saluki-019 Saluki-020 Saluki-021

wow thanks Geoffrey that's a big help for us. now it just needs Jemimah to add them to the first page of this forum post and follow through with any new release.

[HiDeHo]

Hi all I have saluki 0.21. got a problem with pidgin. One day it stopped booting so what i did was

1. run from terminal. and i got this
   # pidgin
   Pidgin 2.10.1 has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file.
   This is a bug in the software and has happened through
   no fault of your own.
   
   If you can reproduce the crash, please notify the developers
   by reporting a bug at:
   http://developer.pidgin.im/simpleticket/
   
   Please make sure to specify what you were doing at the time
   and post the backtrace from the core file. If you do not know
   how to get the backtrace, please read the instructions at
   http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GetABacktrace
   Aborted
2. I checked the version number. in a terminal

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   # pidgin --version
   Pidgin 2.10.1 (libpurple 2.10.1)

3. I looked in the ppm for the same pidgin version and installed it over the top.
4. i rebooted and ran again with the same error.
5. i removed pidgin again, (I noticed pidgin is not one of the default apps anymore),
6. i re-installed again. still same error

I am stuck as to what to do. my only solution would be to make a new save file

I dont know what caused this error to happen at all. if i create a new save file i will keep this old one incase anyone has any ideas how to fix it. or what would be causing this error.

incase it helps my setup is as follows.

1. saluki 021 with origional adrive and zdrive.
2. thunderbird sfs
3. chrome.sfs
4. libreoffice.sfs
5. flashplayer

maybe one of the apps i use has caused this errror.
.

[shinobar]

Test release: sfs_load-1.9.4.pet
Note that this is a test release, but has many important fixes. All users and pupplet makers using version 1.9.x series are recommended to upgrade.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 680#625680

@jemimah, pemasu and to all interested in:
At last, I guess i have found the issue with the 3.2.x kernels of pemasu. The dissociation, 'losetup -d', does hung up as you know, but the association, 'losetup LOOPDEV FILE', is problematic too. The solution is never use both.
P.S. I could not see similar issue with Racy-5.3/3.0.25+unionfs(?) or Slacko-5.3.3/3.1.10+aufs.

[pemasu]

Thanks...losetup binary...I did need to pick up losetup-FULL binary from Barry`s iso...some version...otherwise the encrypted savefile didnt work. the password phase didnt open the encryption.
Might it has something to do with it ?

Anyway...here is the losetup-FULL binary gz tarred package for inspection.
Ooops. this was Saluki thread....well....I let it be here. Sorry about posting this comment here.

[jemimah]

Hi all I have saluki 0.21. got a problem with pidgin. One day it stopped booting so what i did was

1. run from terminal. and i got this
   # pidgin
   Pidgin 2.10.1 has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file.
   This is a bug in the software and has happened through
   no fault of your own.
   
   If you can reproduce the crash, please notify the developers
   by reporting a bug at:
   http://developer.pidgin.im/simpleticket/
   
   Please make sure to specify what you were doing at the time
   and post the backtrace from the core file. If you do not know
   how to get the backtrace, please read the instructions at
   http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GetABacktrace
   Aborted
2. I checked the version number. in a terminal

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   # pidgin --version
   Pidgin 2.10.1 (libpurple 2.10.1)

3. I looked in the ppm for the same pidgin version and installed it over the top.
4. i rebooted and ran again with the same error.
5. i removed pidgin again, (I noticed pidgin is not one of the default apps anymore),
6. i re-installed again. still same error

I am stuck as to what to do. my only solution would be to make a new save file

I dont know what caused this error to happen at all. if i create a new save file i will keep this old one incase anyone has any ideas how to fix it. or what would be causing this error.

incase it helps my setup is as follows.

1. saluki 021 with origional adrive and zdrive.
2. thunderbird sfs
3. chrome.sfs
4. libreoffice.sfs
5. flashplayer

maybe one of the apps i use has caused this errror.
.

It's best to backup the save file maybe once a week or so you don't need to start from scratch if something goes south.

You should try removing the config files for pidgin from /root/.purple

[elroy]

I’ve been using Saluki for a few months now (I’m still using 017 as my daily while testing 021), and I decided to touch base with a few distro iso’s that I have laying around. I checked out pupngo (interesting - I have a penchant for bare-bones-basic stuff), and I also re-touched with Racy. It amazed me how much more usable Saluki is (Racy was my favorite Puppy prior to Saluki - I started using Saluki with 009, and haven’t used any other distros since. This is why I choose to retouch and explore). And then I did a fresh install with ArchBang. While those distros all have their merits, I found myself pining for Saluki. It just reinforced to me how useful, small, and versatile Saluki actually is - and not to mention pleasing to the eye. Setting up a wireless connection in Racy is torture compared to Saluki. It struck me that Saluki, while certainly not as tiny as pupngo (or tiny core, or damn small linux - but Saluki has the advantage of still being active), it’s very tiny in comparison to ArchBang. And even so, it’s much more usable out of the box than any of the previously mentioned. Because of the fact that it can be run from so many mediums, and because of it’s user friendly boot-loader (Grub4Dos), I can’t think of a better linux distro in terms of well roundedness, in particular because of the afore mentioned merits combined with the chosen window manager (icons on desktop that behave pretty much like MS-Windows (file manager behavior, too)). And I get eye-candy with a trashy-computer...gotta like it when it comes in such a small package!

For myself, frugal install is where it’s at. And Saluki provides certain customization features that other puppies don’t - Custom Builder, mainly, and a hand-held compiling pet. If this isn’t the cutting edge type of things that should be considered for inclusion in Puppy 6, then what else would be? I’ve been reading the Murga forum, and I haven’t read anything else that’s as cutting edge as what jemimah has been doing recently. You could argue that Debian compatibility with lucid is desirable, and certainly that speaks for stability, but who wants apps that are a few releases behind the curve? Saluki is based off of Wary/T2, and therefore is more in-line with what Puppy was meant to be in the first place. Granted, Saluki is geared towards more modern machines. But a couple of years down the road, that won’t be an issue at all. Modern machines ‘five years old or newer’ will be tomorrows old news. Seriously...how many Pentium II machines will be in use five years from now?

But this is what strikes me most of all...it’s really hard to believe that Saluki is still in beta. It’s better than many release versions of other distros. If you’re running a single user system, I can’t think of a better alternative than Saluki. Being ‘root’ from the start is a beautiful thing. But if you’re running a multi-user system, well...not so much - as with any Puppy flavor. Still, my preference lies with being the root. It makes life that much simpler. Having to type ‘sudo’ or ‘su’ reminds me of having to click on notifications in Windows Vista to let me do what I want to. I never did end up clicking ‘no’ or ‘cancel’. It made me wonder what the purpose was. If I want to do something, then let me do it, dammit! Frustrating experience it was. If you want to protect me, then there has to be a better way than nagging me about doing something that I’ve chosen to do.

Some may find fault with Xfce as the Saluki defacto window manager. Many Puppy vets are used to Jwm. Personally, I despise Jwm; I’d rather use EvilWM if I were to limit myself to such a degree. But that said, certainly it comes down to personal preference. However, based on the size of the Saluki ISO, and the responsiveness on my cheap laptop (not to mention the functionality offered), I’ve come to be an ardent fan of Xfce as the choice for the Saluki window manager. As with other flavors of Puppy linux, different window managers can be used, but certain functionality may not be available due to the fact that said functionality is hard-coded to be used with the distros’ chosen window manager. That certainly may be seen as a weakness. And that can’t be argued with. Perhaps that’s one of the trade-offs of having a small OS. Maybe someday we’ll see forks of Saluki with Jwm, etc., with the default functionality incorporated. I know that for myself, I’ve deferred creating custom adrives’ in anticipation of the release version. So possibly there’s someone waiting in the wings that desires to do such a fork when the time becomes ripe. Either way, it wouldn’t be detrimental to Saluki. On the contrary, it’d be a plus. But for what it’s worth, considering the small ISO, relatively small memory footprint, and the vast offerings that Xfce has to offer towards usability, I think that Xfce was a good choice for the Saluki window manager. It certainly makes life easier for ex-windows users that choose to take the linux plunge. And it gives a more modern feel to Puppy, at least from this distros’ perspective.

My only concern for Saluki, and this may seem ridiculous to some, but I have to say it if only because it’s my honest opinion, is that if Saluki is to be released (and it will be) it needs to incorporate a dialog that allows the user to download their ‘big-boy’ browser of choice. Because Midori, in its present state, isn’t presentable as a usable release version browser. I like the concept, but at present it’d be detrimental to Saluki to be included in a release version. Other than that, I think the choices of default applications included with Saluki are rock-solid. Obviously something as simple as a browser can be changed via the ppm or Custom Builder, but first impressions are important, especially if the user happens to be a novice first time user. And that’s why I feel that Midori, in it’s current state, should not be the browser of choice for the official Saluki release.

[l2ulinux]

elroy

Saluki provides certain customization features that other puppies don’t - Custom Builder, mainly, and a hand-held compiling pet. If this isn’t the cutting edge type of things that should be considered for inclusion in Puppy 6, then what else would be?

My only concern for Saluki, and this may seem ridiculous to some, but I have to say it if only because it’s my honest opinion, is that if Saluki is to be released (and it will be) it needs to incorporate a dialog that allows the user to download their ‘big-boy’ browser of choice.

I feel the same way elroy does about Saluki and the only downfall that I have found is the Midori browser. I understand why it is there to keep Saluki small.

DistroWatch.com News: New distributions added to waiting list

Saluki Linux: Saluki Linux is a Puppy-based distribution (or, more precisely, a distribution built from Puppy's Woof build system). It is primarily designed for developers who wish to create highly customised solutions or specialist distributions, but it can be used as a standalone operating system as well. It features the Xfce desktop environment.



So lets encourage jemimah to go ahead and release this great little Puppy.

[HiDeHo]

It's best to backup the save file maybe once a week or so you don't need to start from scratch if something goes south.

You should try removing the config files for pidgin from /root/.purple

Yea it worked thanks I deleted all the xml files did the trick. will keep you posted. hopefully it was not the extra pidgin skype plugin i was using.

edit: it is the skype plugin that is causing this error in pidgin. to fix it i

1. had to first run skype. (usually pidgin can just start skype itself).
2. i then had to do is add the path to skype /opt/skype/skype to the settings in pidgin

now everything works as it should.

[jemimah]

Hmm I didn't tell distrowatch about saluki - guess they found me.

I was intending on releasing the xfce 4.10 beta/preview today, but it ate the partition table on my Windows partition and a couple of my USB drives sometime during development and I want to figure out why first.

The new drive mounting stuff is a major overhaul and a major improvement but it's taking some time to get it right.

[HiDeHo]

Hmm I didn't tell distrowatch about saluki - guess they found me.

I was intending on releasing the xfce 4.10 beta/preview today, but it ate the partition table on my Windows partition and a couple of my USB drives sometime during development and I want to figure out why first.

The new drive mounting stuff is a major overhaul and a major improvement but it's taking some time to get it right.

its ok jemimah it needs to be right. I wish there was an puplet incorporating features from both lighthousepup(lhp) click here and saluki.

the reasons i say this is that.

Lighthouse pup

1. the new lhp 64bit version runs on my pentium 6 wow.
2. is built using slackware apps
   [*has ability to load 40sfs files at boot.
3. also has several desktops as sfs files including xfce and kde
4. is based around sfs files and frugal usage.
5. the apps for lhp run g=better than in other puplets.

saluki pup

1. has the custom builder (based on the old woofy builder)
2. nice build of xfce desktop.
3. is fast and reliable
4. has lots of other great features.

I am not to fussed if this does not happene. as saluki is a great os i am very happy to use. There is no need to reinvent the wheel if it works only try to improve it.

A big thanks to jemimiah

one thing i do miss from the regular puppy is the app quickpet / slickpet. they both have the common, popular apps people use these days in them. something that saluki would also benefit from.Maybe someone else can take this on for jemimiah and maintain it

[HiDeHo]

Does saluki have the option to run as spot or the fido user account ability, both are handy as at times soem apps dont work, i cant join an irc channel as puppy is root by default and my irc client is in root.

so how do i use spot and Fido to do this.

edit: found we have spot.so i tested with pidgin.

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su spot -c pidgin.

I just add that code to the desktop app and it will run the app and user spot. would anyone know how i can make this system wide so all instances of pidgin or other apps will run as spot by default..

this is a test really so i can see how it is done. i am wanting to run irc client pidgin, xchat etc s spot mainly.

my options are as follows.

1. run just the apps i need as spot.
2. run the whole os as spot user.
3. or run as fido user (if this ability is in saluki)

can anyone advise what is the best options.

I notice that running pidgin as spot i have now 2 pidgin instances. the origional /root/.puiple and /root/spot/purple making the save fiel bigger. is it safe to remove /root/.purple if i am only going to run pidgin as spot. I assume it is.

Thanks in advance for any ideas and suggestions you may have. .

[greengeek]

I was intending on releasing the xfce 4.10 beta/preview today, but it ate the partition table on my Windows partition and a couple of my USB drives sometime during development and I want to figure out why first.

I had a weird thing going on with Saluki20 the other day, where it was confusing a HDD partition and a USB stick partition. Both of the had the same name (Boot) and I wondered if that was confusing Saluki.

Sorry I don't have any real detail - it took me a few minutes to realise that it was mounting and unmounting the wrong partition and in the confusion I decided it was safest to just shut down. Didn't seem to lose any data, but just thought I'd mention it in case there was any common cause.

[HiDeHo]

here are some things i noticed today

1. midori browser cant even play youtube videos. (maybe midori does not by default look for the flashplayer in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins like other browsers. where would i put the plugin for midori). i have the flashplayer installed and can use view youtube fine in the google chrome browser.
2. there is no java app or sfs in ppm

I hope this helps.

[jemimah]

Regarding the default browser - lets not start a big discussion about that. No matter what the default is, it will disappoint the majority of users. At this point there is no good choice for a default.

I personally strongly dislike nag screens telling that pop up and tell me what do do (like install a browser). That's one of the reasons I hate running Windows. Perhaps a message about it that comes up the first time midori is run would be less obtrusive.

Slickpet and the like were developed in response to the fact that the PPM was pretty unusable and unreliable. For me, it makes no sense to maintain two PPMs - I'd rather have just have one that works.

The saluki website is nearly ready for action. That will be the ideal place to put documentation and introductory information.

[l2ulinux]

I hope I did not upset you about the Midori browser. I understand you wanted a small browser and it fit for use and size. If they would check many Linux releases are starting to install it as start-up browser.

And you are right about Windows, I also only use I/E when I really have to.
We can use what you want there are install one we like better.