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#81 Post by vtpup »

thanks 01micko for the explanation. I don't think it's worth pursuing further then.

The only program this seems to affect is gmplayer. VLC doesn't have the view re-size problem. So I can simply make that the default.

Otherwise, graphics intensive and typically difficult programs seem to run well. For instance, I can run Google Sketchup (3D CAD) in Wine.

So doesn't seem worth it jto try to solve ust for a gmplayer quirk, unless I find some other problem down the road.

I'm still curious for future reference, how one could recover from a messed up video driver .pet installation. Is there a way to remove the .pet and restore the former Xorg system?

I imagine it would be a sequence performed in the console before starting X. Can you remove a .pet from the command line?

Seemed like if there was something wrong with xorg, you used to be able to boot into xvesa and correct it. But I don't think I saw that as an option this last time -- or maybe it didn't work. Can't quite remember.
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#82 Post by 666philb »

pemasu wrote:# find /root/my-documents/x_xorg76_mega_pkg_DEV-7.6-5-w5c -name "Xv*"
/root/my-documents/x_xorg76_mega_pkg_DEV-7.6-5-w5c/usr/X11R7/include/X11/extensions/Xvlib.h

/root/my-documents/x_xorg76_mega_pkg_DEV-7.6-5-w5c/usr/X11R7/include/X11/extensions/Xv.h

http://her.gr.distfiles.macports.org/mi ... -5-w5c.pet

DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS:
yes|x_xorg76_mega_pkg|x_xorg76_mega_pkg|exe,dev,doc,nls| #RACY Xorg 7.6 mega-pkg
hi pemasu.... is that for me?

i'm still getting the same error
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#83 Post by Karl Godt »

There are two possibilities :
1) The configure script is testing something not correctly (buggy or lacks options)
2) the needed library does not include the needed function (function not enabled at compile time, function not implemented (anymore) in library or library not found in the search PATH)

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#84 Post by rjbrewer »

One Gmplayer solution with Racy:

My Latitude D820 has 945gm graphics.
The default boot loads vesa, which gives the big yellow
border when trying to use Mplayer full screen.
Running Xorgwizard and choosing "intel Intel" solves the
problem.

Having a PAE kernel is useless for machines with 945 graphics.
It will not read past 3.3 of the 4Gb of ram.

edit:

Deleteing the i915 files from the new (3.xx) kernel versions
increases glxgears speed from 20fps to 330 fps on the
Latitude.

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#85 Post by vtpup »

After trying out 5 other late kernel Puppies and testing for a week, Racy is the clear winner on this brand new dual proccesor machine. It is far superior to the others in performing graphics intensive CADs through Wine.

Racy 53 also worked perfectly out of the box with wireless, and sound, and the screen dimming keys also worked.

Racy will now be the day-to-day operating system for this computer. It replaces Puppy 4.3.2 v3 and my old Thinkpad T43, which gave years of stable use as a heavy duty work computer.

Thank you Barry for this solid high-performance OS!


(EDIT: blacklisting i915 module caused big problems with this particular computer, overloading the proc when clicking on desktop icons. Restoring i915 to the loaded modules solved the problem. I'm not messing with the graphics system any more. Performance is great using vanilla setup and simply choosing "Probe" in xorgwizard.)
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#86 Post by vtpup »

It looks like the new Puppy wallpaper setter actually alters image files in /Usr/share/backgrounds/.

I put an image in there, and running the wallpaper setter actually cropped the image and saved the new file over the old one!

In Nathan wallpaper setter, the image wasn't overwritten in /.../backgrounds, and you could select it and show it uncropped as a tile or centered, etc.

This new wallpaper setter actually messes up the image, and once that happens you can never go back to showing the whole image as a tile or centered. It seems to serially re-write the image every time you make a change.

I'd like to get rid of this app and bring back Nathan Wallpaper setter on this computer, if possible.

Programs like these should never re-write an image!

EDIT: Clarification -- I was using an image that was larger than the screen pixel dimensions, and the monitor is a wide screen.

Basically the wallpaper setter cropped the image to wide screen aspect ratio, then saved it over the original image.

This destroyed a lot of the original image. When I tried to "center" or "tile" it to see the original whole image, it didn't work because the new cropped and saved image exactly fit the screen. I had expected that the original image would be retained and fit onto the screen with gray space at the edges when "centered".

I've subsequently found that if I use an image that is smaller than the screen, centering and tiling work. I do not believe under these circumstances that the image is re-written. But I'm not sure about the stretch option which may rewrite the image. Haven't tested that.
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#87 Post by rjbrewer »

vtpup wrote:

(EDIT: blacklisting i915 module caused big problems with this particular computer, overloading the proc when clicking on desktop icons. Restoring i915 to the loaded modules solved the problem. I'm not messing with the graphics system any more. Performance is great using vanilla setup and simply choosing "Probe" in xorgwizard.)
Trashing and blacklisting are 2 totally different things.

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#88 Post by vtpup »

RJBrewer, would you explain further in relation to i915 files:

1.) Why it would be desirable to trash them? What do they do and why would they interfere with graphics speed?

2.) What is the difference in system modules loaded and running between either trashing all i915 files, or blacklisting the i915 module?
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#89 Post by rjbrewer »

vtpup wrote:RJBrewer, would you explain further in relation to i915 files:

1.) Why it would be desirable to trash them? What do they do and why would they interfere with graphics speed?

2.) What is the difference in system modules loaded and running between either trashing all i915 files, or blacklisting the i915 module?
If I go to setup-configure startup-blacklist modules and
blacklist i915; i915 still appears in the loaded list and the
blacklist list.
It generally has no effect or a negative effect on glxgears.

Trashing a few major i915 modules increases glxgears fps
on both my 855gm and 945gm laptops in some (but not
all) cases.

On the 945gm Latitude the fps jumped from 20fps to 300
fps.
Unfortunately, when I rebooted it wasn't possible to restart
x. May be related to running frugal as I don't have a hard drive
for that machine yet and I always use full installs if possible.

i915 modeset was a hot topic back when Lupu was just
getting started and was pushed as a cure for intel graphic
black screen and shutdown problems.
I found that using i810 module was a much better solution
on my 855gm laptop.

I have no way of knowing what is going to work without
setting up experimental installs.

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#90 Post by vtpup »

rjbrewer wrote: On the 945gm Latitude the fps jumped from 20fps to 300
fps.
Unfortunately, when I rebooted it wasn't possible to restart
x. May be related to running frugal as I don't have a hard drive
for that machine yet and I always use full installs if possible
Same here, and I use frugal installs.

Were you able to recover from the X problem?

I'd really like to know how such a system (say from a blacklisted i915) could be repaired without trashing the personal savefile and starting over.

Is it possible to un-blacklist a video module if you can't start X and you get a black screen with blinking cursor, and no key response.

I did try pfix=clean in the grub menu.lst stanza but that made no difference to the start up problem. Didn't try pfix=purge.

Seems like there might be a less extreme alternative means if you could boot to terminal and then load the blacklisted module, and then do an xwin to boot to X with module in place. Then use Bootmanager to un-blacklist the module. Then re-start.

But what pfix line boots to cursor, and what are the commands to load a module from console, say i915?

I'd like to just know this stuff in case of any similar future X problems.
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#91 Post by Karl Godt »

vtpup wrote:
rjbrewer wrote: On the 945gm Latitude the fps jumped from 20fps to 300
fps.
Unfortunately, when I rebooted it wasn't possible to restart
x. May be related to running frugal as I don't have a hard drive
for that machine yet and I always use full installs if possible
Same here, and I use frugal installs.

Were you able to recover from the X problem?

I'd really like to know how such a system (say from a blacklisted i915) could be repaired without trashing the personal savefile and starting over.

Is it possible to un-blacklist a video module if you can't start X and you get a black screen with blinking cursor, and no key response.

I did try pfix=clean in the grub menu.lst stanza but that made no difference to the start up problem. Didn't try pfix=purge.

Seems like there might be a less extreme alternative means if you could boot to terminal and then load the blacklisted module, and then do an xwin to boot to X with module in place. Then use Bootmanager to un-blacklist the module. Then re-start.

But what pfix line boots to cursor, and what are the commands to load a module from console, say i915?

I'd like to just know this stuff in case of any similar future X problems.
Newer Intel graphic chips (900+) and goo' old Xorg-1.3.0 intel_drv.so from Puppy-4.3 don't play very well together .

Newer Xorg-1.7+ since Lupu should be fine with i915.ko and Xorg's driver intel(_drv.so) .

Blacklisting using the bootmanager adds to the modprobe configuration file used to autoload kernel drivers at boot time (/tmp/modprobe.conf) . Xorg itself seems to be capable to load drivers itself and won't care about /tmp/modprobe.conf . Former puppy modprobe-v3.6 seems to be patched to automatically obey /etc/i[modprobe.d]/[modprobe.conf]* blacklist DRIVERNAME entries , while it is not the default . To make modprobe command obey blacklist entries , modprobe has to be aliased in configuration files like "alias modprobe='modprobe -b'" in /etc/profile , same as already "ls" is aliased there .

To load i915 for example :

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modprobe -v i915 modeset=0
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modprobe -v i915 modeset=1
What modeset actually does is still not clear to me ...

There is also the insmod command, but it requires the full path/driver-file-name.extension :

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insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko[.gz]
To remove a module :

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modprobe -vr i915
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rmmod i915

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#92 Post by rjbrewer »

vtpup wrote:
Were you able to recover from the X problem?

I'd really like to know how such a system (say from a blacklisted i915) could be repaired without trashing the personal savefile and starting over.

Is it possible to un-blacklist a video module if you can't start X and you get a black screen with blinking cursor, and no key response.
Guess that's why constant backups are necessary with
frugal.

With full installs; I just pop in the cd, rerun the install, choose
upgrade instead of wipe, and it fixes any file problems
without destroying my setups.

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#93 Post by npierce »

vtpup wrote:Can you remove a .pet from the command line?
While I don't know about Racy 5.3, this worked from the text console in Puppy 4.3.1:

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petget -packagename
Notice the minus sign before the name, and the lack of ".pet" after it.

(The opposite was not true: petget could not install from the text console in 4.3.1, it only downloaded the pet.)
vtpup wrote:But what pfix line boots to cursor . . .

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puppy pfix=nox

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#94 Post by vtpup »

Thanks very much Karl Godt and npierce, that information is very very valuable to understand, and to have. I'm writing it in a little notebook I keep by the computer. I guess it would be a good idea to add all of the pfix commands there, too.

that -packagename is very cool......
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#95 Post by vtpup »

Possible bug -- just mentioning it here as a bug report -- I've raised a separate request for personal help on this in the regular User's forum.

Symptoms:

After a couple weeks of using Racy53, I'm suddenly getting many instances of a process called kworker. These use up processor resources to the point that the OS is inoperable a few seconds after X starts. I have to hard reset with the on-off button. Menu shutdown, Alt-Ctl-Del doesn't work. Can't open a terminal for poweroff, either. Well maybe if I could do it quick enough.....

The computer is listed in the sig below. This computer and Racy53 were working fine yesterday evening. I haven't installed any hardware or software since then, or made any changes at all. I did not have any hard shutdowns, or suspends before this occurrence. Now I have, of course.

The computer hardware seems to be fine, I am dual booted right now into Upup Precise to write this.
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#96 Post by Karl Godt »

Haven't had such problems, googling revealed these :

https://porteus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=250

http://lwn.net/Articles/403891/

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/workqueue.txt;h=01c513fac40ece66b73a1709f6df496b5aade8d2;hb=HEAD

The links are from one page ( in german ) with several additional likks to try :

http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kworker-frisst-cpu/

The best possible solution seems to be

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echo N >/sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll
which may be related to your radeon? craphics chip/card .
and permanent solution /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf

options drm_kms_helper poll=N
So we likely need to know the drivers which are loaded .

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#97 Post by vtpup »

Thank you Karl. The problem is suddenly gone, but I would still like to try to pin it down if we can, anyway.

The only difference I can see between multiple attempts to start up this morning, and starting up now, is that I moved my physical location. I was at a coffeeshop this morning, and am home now, so I'm wondering if it is related to wireless connection processes.

My understanding now is that kworker processes are actually place holder processes for other processes. Possibly wireless was one of those.

In older kernels pprocess or top would list actual processes running, but now these are seen as kworker processes -- so it is a lot harder to tell what is actually causing the hang up.

I like the older system better where you could actually see what was going on and what the cause was.


Anyway, to answer your questions, Karl, I don't have Radeon graphics. It is a laptop with integrated graphics using Intel Second Generation Core Processor graphics.

To get a list of drivers loaded would I run modprobe -l ?

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#98 Post by Karl Godt »

No vetty , it was lsmod command , one of the very few commands without ARGV[S] :D

If the list is very long , then maybe filter it by |grep "PATTERN"

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#99 Post by vtpup »

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Module                  Size                 Used by
parport_pc                      19580   0 
lp                                   5996    0 
parport                           21043  2         parport_pc,lp
i915                                290754  2 
drm_kms_helper              17982  1         i915
drm                                121018  3       i915,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit                     3556  1          i915
cpufreq_ondemand          4432  2 
acpi_cpufreq                   4481  1 
mperf                             787  1            acpi_cpufreq
fan                                 1714  0 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi        16805  1 
snd_hda_codec_realtek     203051  1 
uvcvideo                         47297  0 
videodev                         52792  1        uvcvideo
arc4                               962  2 
ath9k                              62987  0 
mac80211                       134600  1        ath9k
ath9k_common               1242  1             ath9k
ath9k_hw                       238866  2          ath9k,ath9k_common
ath                                10746  2           ath9k,ath9k_hw
cfg80211                        113680  3         ath9k,mac80211,ath
pcspkr                            1195  0 
snd_hda_intel                  16395  0 
snd_hda_codec                52722  3   snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep                     3730  1         snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss                  28135  0 
snd_mixer_oss                10062  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                         47219  4 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy              915  0 
snd_seq_oss                    18929  0 
snd_seq_midi                    3280  0 
atl1c                                23866  0 
i2c_i801                            6154  0 
i2c_core                            12704  6 i915,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit,videodev,i2c_i801
snd_rawmidi                     11899  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event           3596  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq                            32450  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer                         11590  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device                 3509  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd                                  33474  13 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec, snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
soundcore                        3255  1 snd
snd_page_alloc                 4765  2         snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
shpchp                            18143  0 
sparse_keymap                2056  0 
rfkill                                 10068  1       cfg80211
intel_agp                          8065  1         i915
intel_gtt                            9446  3        i915,intel_agp
agpgart                           18222  3       drm,intel_agp,intel_gtt
wmi                                 5859  0 
battery                             8251  0 
thermal                           6066  0 
video                               9504  1           i915
evdev                              5773  1 
button                              3315  1          i915
processor                         20797  1       acpi_cpufreq
thermal_sys                      9477  4        fan,thermal,video,processor
hwmon                             961  1          thermal_sys
ac                                    2303  0 
fuse                                 47724  0 
aufs                                121827  47 
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fontconfig is absent in the GTK includes. Compiling with

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 `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` 
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/usr/lib/gcc/i486-t2-linux-gnu/4.3.4/../../../../i486-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lfontconfig 
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