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Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 12:16    Post subject:  

LupuPlusLibre 5.2.8.005-2

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/lupupluslibre-528.005-2.iso
4f581325d497077be811f88800aeff3a

This has the adjustment to java that was omitted in the earlier version. Nothing else has changed--if you have the earlier version you can achieve the same effect by installing shinobar's pet http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=623442#623442

If you are using Lupu Libre or 3HD Libre you can add java with shinobar's sfs or with the pet I made from it.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=623455#623455
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1062230108&t=61287
The java pet is also in the Lupu Repo of PPM. Quickpet -> More Pets -> Update Lupu PPM

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 13:02    Post subject: continuing ntfs reliability problems on USB port  

Have just booted my Toshiba laptop with Lupu 5.2.8 (02 patch) and the USB3.0 driver pet.

As reported previously. The ntfs USB external drive mounted read-only on the first several attempts at access (as always, the internal ntfs drives mounted normally without such issues).

However, when I experimented by unmounting the external drive and moving it to the second port, it mounted read-write, and I was able to copy a 2.2GB iso file to it without evidence of problems.

On reboot, I was unable to repeat this feat. I was also unable to add a second USB3.0 device (card reader with FAT SD card). Pmount failed to see it. And after only a few remounts, the external drive on the USB3.0 port would no longer appear in pmount at all.

After several failed attempts to remount the drive on the USB3.0 port, I moved it to the USB2.0 port, where it mounted read-write on the first try (which is NOT always the case).

I also had a very strange experience with Pmount and the Toshiba's internal SD/MMC/XD reader.

When I inserted a 4GB HCSD card into this slot, lupu mounted it automatically and displayed an icon "mmcblk1p1"on the desktop for it. I had no trouble writing to it either . However, repeated attempts to show it in pmount failed.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 15:34    Post subject:  

Full install of lupu-libre-528-005-2 to ext4 partition.

Everything I have tried works OTB.

One thought - add entry in /usr/local/bin for
defaultdatabase and defaultformula
This would be helpful to those who want to add these to wbar or place entry on desktop.

I really like libreoffice suite. On remaster I have deleted all reference to abiword and gnumeric.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 15:58    Post subject:  

Quote:
Full install of lupu-libre-528-005-2 to ext4 partition.

Everything I have tried works OTB.

One thought - add entry in /usr/local/bin for
defaultdatabase and defaultformula

If you use Base you will probably want java--links in my message above.


Quote:
That pretty much showed that it was a driver problem, So then I tried checking the version of asound in 3 distros where my soundcard works, results here:

Lupu 528 -v5 sound does not work:
Code:
sh-4.1# cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.


vtpup, Is it a new computer--if so you could be right. These are kernel mode drivers specific to each kernel---as it sounds like you know. What you tried to do seems pretty clever, but that might have been for a different Ubuntu kernel--anyway it is a can of worms I don't want to open. I would suggest first that you try Three-Headed Dog, which has a different kernel and therefore a different set of drivers. A second thing to try might be Lupu Plus which has some tweaks to the infrastructure that include some to alsa by rerwin so that might make a difference.
3HD http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736
Lupu + http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=622054#622054

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 17:10    Post subject:  

Playdayz

please confirm that my list of luci/lupu/sulu iso's is correct.

sulu-001 from page 5

lupu528-005 from page 1
lupulibre528-005-2 from page 1

lupuplus-528-005-1 from page 112
lupupluslibre-528-005-2 from paage 117

luci-005-005 from 3HD page 1
lucilibre-001-005 from 3HD page 1

I have d/l all of the above and am currently working through each one.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 17:27    Post subject: Thank YOU  

playdayz:
http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/lupupluslibre-528.005-2.iso

".....I must say that I did not appreciate trying something innovative and having someone carry on like the whole thing was screwed just because it did not work like he thought it should. To reiterate, Libre Office worked just fine with java and all of the browsers worked just fine with java and I still have never had single request for any java program to work with Lucid. ...."

Please IGNORE the NAY Sayers and folks that demand things.. seem to be a bit of an epidemic of that sort of thing on all of the Puppy blogs lately. Folks do not realize the time and VOLUNTEER effort put into PUPPY. FOLKS please be respectful. PLEASE.

I just downloaded and tried the wizard... NOW WORKS.. Thank you. I will experiment more with this. Glad to see the base working. Thanks for all your time and effort.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 17:28    Post subject:  

majorfoo wrote:
Playdayz

please confirm that my list of luci/lupu/sulu iso's is correct.

sulu-001 from page 5

lupu528-005 from page 1
lupulibre528-005-2 from page 1

lupuplus-528-005-1 from page 112
lupupluslibre-528-005-2 from paage 117

luci-005-005 from 3HD page 1
lucilibre-001-005 from 3HD page 1

I have d/l all of the above and am currently working through each one.

Thanks.


Yes. Correct, LupuPlus and Lupu+Libre are both listed on 112 now and linked from page 1. Sulu was a one-off. I don't think it will be pursued but there is one report of it solving a problem for someone.

Quote:
folks that demand things

Thanks Minnesota. I was just irritated. I'm over it. It goes with the territory. That's good news on Base.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 17:44    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:

vtpup, Is it a new computer--if so you could be right. These are kernel mode drivers specific to each kernel---as it sounds like you know. What you tried to do seems pretty clever, but that might have been for a different Ubuntu kernel--anyway it is a can of worms I don't want to open. I would suggest first that you try Three-Headed Dog, which has a different kernel and therefore a different set of drivers. A second thing to try might be Lupu Plus which has some tweaks to the infrastructure that include some to alsa by rerwin so that might make a difference.


Yes playdayz, it is brand new. I'll try three headed dog, then. Downloading now.

I was mainly interested in Lupu because glxgears ran about ten times faster in it than in other distros I'd tried (after xorg-high was added), and I really liked the "user experience." It also felt very stable, and is obviously well supported.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 17:50    Post subject:  

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I was mainly interested in Lupu because glxgears ran about ten times faster in it than in other distros I'd tried (after xorg-high was added), and I really liked the "user experience."

3HD is just like Lucid, except I have no clue why glxgears ran faster.

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Enable Java in Chrome if java is installed of course
Click on the wrench icon, then select Options.
Select Under the Hood and then Privacy Content Settings.
The Content Settings panel will appear.
In the Plug-ins section, select the Disable individual plug-ins link to check whether Java is enabled
Click on the Allow box (if the Disable link appears, Java is already enabled)

test applet http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 22:24    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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I was mainly interested in Lupu because glxgears ran about ten times faster in it than in other distros I'd tried (after xorg-high was added), and I really liked the "user experience."

3HD is just like Lucid, except I have no clue why glxgears ran faster.


playdayz Sound worked in 3HD, but wireless wasn't functioning because it has the same older version of ath9k that Lupu 528 does. I could upgrade ath9k (as I did for Lupu 528) but I first wanted to try glxgears in it because I couldn't quite understand why I was getting such a range of speeds in different late kernel puppies. I'm adding the below notes just as a point of information.

I ran glxgears in Lupu 528, Racy, Sulu, and Upup Precise, all of which I have on this computer as frugal installs.

3HD and lupu and Sulu all ran it at about 2000 frames in 5 sec, while Racy and Upup were running only 300, Which seems like a big performance difference.

But I did notice that on tha last 2 OS the terminal had a note that the frame figure was a result of being synced to the monitor refresh rate (which was 60 hz), so that would indeed result in 300 frames in 5 sec. The glxgears programs for Lupu Sulu and 3HD did not note anything about the monitor refresh rate. Maybe they are earlier versions of glxgears.

So I think the difference is due more to a change in the way glxgears now works vs how it used to, than being indicative of graphics speed differences for these OS's..

Then out of curiosity I tried a different more practical test, which was to do a bunch of operations in Google Sketchup under Wine 1.5.2 in all of them.

Most of these late kernel OS's were a little jerky in panning the drawing, and noticeably slow in updating pen position, except for Racy which was very fast and smooth in both of these operations. I use Sketchup all the time, so that is really important to me, and is enough to determine an OS for this computer.

I do want to add however, that no one else should draw any more general conclusions from this. It only means that this specific computer, with these specific chips, using the xorg drivers offered under each OS, is faster in one specific program run in Wine, under Racy.

I would expect different results with different computers drivers chips and programs.

Anyway, I thought the glxgears anomaly would be of interest.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 11:58    Post subject:  

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I ran glxgears in Lupu 528, Racy, Sulu, and Upup Precise, all of which I have on this computer as frugal installs.

What kind of video do you have. if you want maximum video the proprietary drivers are the way to go. Lupu has them available for nvidia and ati, as does 3HD. Slacko has them because 3HD uses the video drivers from Slacko 5.3.1. I don't know about the others. It is often possible to compile them yourself--but it can be a hassle sometimes. Sometimes people post them on the forum.

On my 3850 ati the ati catalyst driver shows about twice as fast as the open source xorg_high driver.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 12:55    Post subject:  

Yes playdayz I've compiled Nvidia proprietary drivers before on my old desktop computer, and know the difference that makes.

On this current new Acer laptop (see signature below for type), the chips are Intel:

Code:
VGA compatible controller      : Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller


I don't know if there are any proprietary drivers. I used Xorg-High driver in Lupu 528.

Racy came already configured with a driver (possibly part of the 3.x kernel) I'm not sure why that particular OS is so much better with Google Sketchup graphics on this machine. Maybe Barry compiled something special re. drivers into that one. Anyway, the difference is really noticeable.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 13:28    Post subject: Workaround for LibreOffice-3.5.1-en_us-2.sfs with LupuPlus
Subject description: App Maximize issues on wide screen
 

Deleted: Issues arose from starting with SaveFile from another Lupu/Lucid.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 14:03    Post subject:  

otropogo,

What is the model of your Toshiba laptop?

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 15:06    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
otropogo,

What is the model of your Toshiba laptop?


Satellite A500 -02F

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