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Is our Puppy community aware of JAVA's direction?
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 19:28    Post subject:  Is our Puppy community aware of JAVA's direction?  
I have been informed at a recent seminar that the current direction of the Linux (and PC) community is to use OpenJDK under ALL circumstances for compatibility with sPhones, xPad, Tablets, and other futures in computing.

I looked up its history, here

My Question
Has anyone of our community developers produced an PET with this Open-Sourced Java provision?

Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 01:24    Post subject:  
Does anyone still use Java? I always found it painfully slow and cursed website developers who used it. I do not have it on any of my systems.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 02:09    Post subject:  
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OpenJDK under ALL circumstances


Puppys make their own circumstances. Wink
Having said that, I believe we have to move towards Android (and therefore java) compatibility.
There is a loathing of Java bloat by many Puppy developers.
Many years ago I tried many cut down Java alternatives. None of them worked and the full Sun (at the time) SDK and run time Java was the only one guaranteed to work.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

Java for PARM will be a necessary option.

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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 02:48    Post subject:  
I like Java and I am learning it at the moment.
I use JDK 7 on my system.
I'll have to look at installing OpenJDK.
Thanks for the heads-up!
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 15:12    Post subject:  
Yes. I've been watching this. I don't think openJDK works as nimbly as the old now non-free Javas did, but the differences are subtle and would probably not be noticed by the majority of people.

I continue to hope for the best, but as always, it is important to remain vigilant where proprietary software is being taken away from us and regulated by patents.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 17:07    Post subject:  
I am not a developer. But, if OpenJDK was made available in Puppyland, I would begin to exercise it.

I have always run LIve-media PUPs in RAM. I've had 2 different occasions since my joining the community for which I have run 64bit PUPs for over 8 months separately, rebooting ONLY to save the running session back to LIve media. And, prior to those, I ran a 32bit PUPs for 7 months without the need to reboot.

Currently in Puppyland, I have seen several problems as follows:
  • some 32bit distos have shown issues where a JAVA release doesn't appear on a subsequest save-session-reboot.
  • some 32bit developers are NOT providing 32bit PETs for PPM installation; instead providing SFSs which require tools outside of the PPM.
  • some 32bit distros do NOT provdie a PPM REPO with any JAVA present
Hopefully, should someone provides us a solution, it will be in the form of a PET that can be installed via the PPM.

There are various useful tools already available in Puppyland which can run in a JAVA environment.
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