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d4p


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 13:45    Post_subject:  

Nothing special, just boot slitaz-4.0-RC1 directly from iso with grub4dos.
No problem booting on NTFS external/internal HDD in multiboot.

At least 60% of linux lives (my multiboot) can boot from NTFS.
Defragmenter tool is important for multiboot no matter what type of partitions.
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amigo

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 15:54    Post_subject:  

"To sum it up - tiny size means nothing. The best way to achieve this is removal of crucial features and separation of crucial components into add-on packages.

I see this as a bad idea, since it confuses users and makes installation harder. Moreover, it is nothing but lying to users. That's simply cruel."

Well said, iguleder. I think too many Puppy devs/contribs are too fixated on making everything as tiny as possible. As you say, the end result is always semi-cripple applications.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 16:29    Post_subject:  

d4p wrote:
Nothing special, just boot slitaz-4.0-RC1 directly from iso with grub4dos.
No problem booting on NTFS external/internal HDD in multiboot.

At least 60% of linux lives (my multiboot) can boot from NTFS.
Defragmenter tool is important for multiboot no matter what type of partitions.

I would not mind if you share what code you used on NTFS.

On reboot pro they suggest this for the 4.0 version

title Slitaz 4 RC Live
find --set-root /slitaz-4.0-RC1.iso
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 /slitaz-4.0-RC1.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader /boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin

But that is on usb and not on internal hd AFAIK.

Here is another reporting having trouble too
http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/40-rc1-crashing-on-boot-up-with-kernel-panic-help
but got solved in the end. I fail to find the code they used through?

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 16:39    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:


So, this brings the possibility that when installing a linux system to ntfs that it could be all over the place unless you defragment your windows partition


I had trouble back in the way-back with a puppy install on a FAT 32 drive because, well, I don't rightly remember just WHAT was going through my head at the time. I was fixin-ta-git-ready-ta reboot Puppy when I got it into my head to defrag under windows. Result" Puppy refused to boot. From that point on, I kept them on separate partitions

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 16:44    Post_subject:  

d4p wrote:
.....grub4dos.


I absolutely refuse to grub around in DOS except for 20 percent of the time when absolutely I have to........
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Bert


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 16:49    Post_subject:  

I'm unable to remain silent much longer. For the last week or so, I've been using a new Linux distribution, based on Debian Stable, called Solus OS. ('Solus' is old Irish for 'light'.)

This distro is created by Ikey*, a well known Linux Mint developer and it is a truely amazing. I would have never thought to ever use a Gnome distro again, as Gnome had become, in my experience on low power hardware, the definition of a snail struggling through molasses.

Not so with Solus OS. Imagine a full colour, luxurious Gnome desktop, using about 119mb of Ram at bootup... Everything working out-of-the-box and amazingly fast!

Based on Debian stable usually means, well.. stable, but also boring...not here!
SolusOS comes as a (now) traditional live-cd, with the 'install' button on the desktop.

One thing I find difficult to cope with, after all these years in Puppy, is the constant nagging to 'authenticate' as the administrator, typing the password again and again, even to just drag a simple text file from /downloads to my data file system on another partition. I have been running several 'buntus as user root for months without any problem, but Debian does not accept the 'buntu root password trick.

But how I love this combination of speed and stability!
From what I understood, this is just the beginning. Gnome 2 will eventually disappear, but that will not hinder Ikey and his developer friends to come up with a unique combination of low resource usage and user friendliness.

Just don't expect to run SolusOS frugally from NTFS... Laughing

* Ikey Doherty
website: http://solusos.com/

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nooby

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:07    Post_subject:  

Writing from Slitaz. Found a way to boot using google.

First thanks to d4p for mentioning that one should try iso boot
So I googled and came up with this try on NTFS internal HD.


title Slitaz 4.0 RC Live
find --set-root /slitaz-4.0-RC1.iso
kernel /boot/bzImage
initrd /boot/rootfs4.gz /boot/rootfs3.gz /boot/rootfs2.gz /boot/rootfs1.gz

why it failed for me latest try could be the , comma that I left there.
That is code for isolinux so maybe grub4dos can not handle commas

This time I did manage to get internet as you can see.

I have to test again without the commas.

Edit and it where the commas that made it fail. now without them it boots
Here is the code I use now after a reboot

title Slitaz 4RC username root password root
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /boot/bzimage
kernel /boot/bzImage rw root=/dev/null home=sda2 lang=en_US kmap=fi-latin1 vga=791 screen=1024x768x24
initrd /boot/rootfs4.gz /boot/rootfs3.gz /boot/rootfs2.gz /boot/rootfs1.gz

home=sda2 maybe should not be there. Try without first

So one don't need the iso on the HD only the boot directory extracted out
of the iso and placed on the /mnt/home/ if one see it from puppy perspective.

The fi thing is to get swedish chars. Finland are using both languages due to a Swedish minority that have been there for some 600 years.
I am going to bed now so thanks for teaching me how to boot Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:20    Post_subject:  

Bert I'm still downloading it but it's rather large at 839M.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:22    Post_subject:  

Much Thanks to d4p this is the second time you tell me things
that makes me able to boot a linux distro that I failed to boot.

But why not give your code. Can not be that hard is it? Smile

I mean if even I manage to give the boot code. What can stop you from doing it?

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:26    Post_subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
Bert I'm still downloading it but it's rather large at 839M.

Yes, It's a big download... I think this is because of the way Debian includes all locales in the initial download. On the other hand, most of the big Linux dogs seem to be over 1GB nowadays..

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:33    Post_subject:  

I guess size is part of the reason that I like puppy so much. Two minutes to download, one minute to install and you're operational.

Anyway I'm at 40% download and will have a look soon. It's going to have to be burned to a DVD as it won't fit on a CD.

Cheers

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Bert I'm still downloading it but it's rather large at 839M.

Yes, It's a big download... I think this is because of the way Debian includes all locales in the initial download. On the other hand, most of the big Linux dogs seem to be over 1GB nowadays..

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 17:41    Post_subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
I guess size is part of the reason that I like puppy so much. Two minutes to download, one minute to install and you're operational.

I agree totally! (make that 10 minutes on my 'dsl' connection Laughing )

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 18:03    Post_subject:  

I'm posting from SolusOS now. It does look quite nice but it doesn't have that nippiness that most of the Puppies have.

Connected to internet OOB and also straight to desktop, so far so good.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 18:35    Post_subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
I'm posting from SolusOS now. It does look quite nice but it doesn't have that nippiness that most of the Puppies have.

Connected to internet OOB and also straight to desktop, so far so good.


Two things: I installed Solus OS on a fanless Atom D525 with 2GB of ram and a ssd HD.. Many would call this a low-power box, but it is of course very modern. Especially the ssd disk makes things fly.. Second: did you run from live-dvd or from a HD install?

But I agree, some of Puppy's snappiness is lost, but not much in my experience.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2012, 19:08    Post_subject:  

Bert wrote:


Two things: I installed Solus OS on a fanless Atom D525 with 2GB of ram and a ssd HD.. Many would call this a low-power box, but it is of course very modern. Especially the ssd disk makes things fly.. Second: did you run from live-dvd or from a HD install?

But I agree, some of Puppy's snappiness is lost, but not much in my experience.


Running from a live DVD.

It's quite nice. I tried to view a .MOV file but it didn't have the appropriate dependencies installed but it downloaded them without a hitch then worked as expected.

Getting sound recording to work is a bit of a problem. So far that's the only thing that doesn't work. Ah and Openshot, it didn't work either but that may be because I'm running live.

Being able to resize icons on the desktop is pretty cool.

All in all quite impressive. It won't replace Puppy though.

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