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Music2Go Pup! - A Puppy for doing some music
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 18:11    Post subject:  

Yes I did try all the Linux packages, the only one that is starting to "get there" imo is Ardour.
Depends if you are used to Fruity Loops, Reaper et al as to what you would like to use.
The interface of Ardour is good and understandable, seems pretty solid, but I think the devs have not been too happy just yet with the MIDI side of things.

I do believe Prince's studio has been using Ardour for years.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 08:50    Post subject:  

Internet up ; -)

I've just finished integrating Irfanview into 5.28 with Wine.

By adding menu entries and adding file associations- for example with Wavosaur you could right on a WAV and select 'edit with Wavosaur'

going to make wiki, the trick is the following script

Quote:
#!/bin/sh
# Purpose: To convert Unix filename to DOS style to pass as an argument
# to wine when starting IrfanView from filer.
#
FileName="z:"${1//\//\\}
exec wine 'C:\\Program Files\\IrfanView\\i_view32.exe' $FileName

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Smithy


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 19:30    Post subject:  

That sounds handy dark city.

I was just doing some test recordings last night in Podium and saving them
to disc, and then seeing if they come back alive and uncorrupted!

So far so good.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 16:54    Post subject:  

I've found some extra plugins from Sir Elliot, compression limiting, a big old school graphic equaliser and a coupla amplifiers, might be worth having a look at.

http://sirelliot.blog.com/category/vst-plug-ins/

As with all decent plugins,you just need to put the .dll in to the vst plugins folder and then get podium free to update the plugins list, (on the right when you open Podium).
They should then be ready for use.

I think Wavosaur might pick them up automatically, and Reaper too possibly.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Feb 2012, 15:40    Post subject:  

sirelliot blackbox looks interesting Cool

i've made a wiki on Associating Files
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/AssociateFiles

I've been looking at LazyPup which has some SFS file with all the Linux music software. I wonder if they'll be compatible with music2go three headed dog?

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Feb 2012, 18:43    Post subject:    

Should do I guess, might bring this pup back into familiar territory.
RSH certainly put a lot of work into that pup.
I'm still on good old .pets!
I think the concensus amongst puppyists is that sfs'sss are the way to go.

If anyone could do an Ardour3 pet, (or squash) complete with vst plugin support, and no doubt all the bleeding dependencies it will require, I will certainly give it a good thorough testing in Puppy Linux.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 19:21    Post subject:  

ardour 3 releases use a binary installer, just click and go.
Might not need pets or sfs. Puts everything in /opt
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2012, 17:34    Post subject:  

Hi ciento, I had a think about this after reading many posts on Ardour 2 and 3, there are a lot of people out there testing Ardour.

It is advised by the devs that one shouldn't use Ardour 3 at this time to do anything that you might like to keep. That is probably cautionary, but "Warning Will Robinson, warning!"

I did notice that there are a couple of hundred plugins in the native Linux format, will have to have a look see what they are like.

I've had my fair share of crashing programmes. Hydrogen was constantly glitching on my comp, and did my nut in, and don't even go there with Windows..

And then what I wanted to achieve with this experimental ram based pup hybrid derivative.

It doesn't cause heating cpu issues as with Ardour+Studio 64, so it is pretty green I guess. Maybe the poster was running 64 tracks on a hot quad to hard drive or something..

The midi implementation kicks ass as is.

Is very flexible, Throw vst's and vstis' in there, if you don't like them, you just delete them, less hassle, more time to record and do other things in life.

There is an arpeggiator chorder plugin installed in there for a bit of trance.
(the one area where Podium was weak i.e midi transmit from a plugin).
There's even a bit of groove quantisation built in there.

It's ready to go, thanks to playdayz and everyone else who made Luci.

The linker, the most VITAL bit (Jack, wineasio, Alsa 10.24, seems solid).
Would be nice if that was all built in to a Puppy Linux with just a switch and a latency slider on the taskbar or something.

No virus protectors to get in the way Smile although the one built in seems benign, root is good.

Cut and paste. Internet, email, partition saving, paint, vector design, the iso burner is great, with its cryptic comments.

Things have come a long way since Dingo! (Which was pretty good btw).
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Feb 2012, 06:16    Post subject:    

Music2Go breaks winetricks but allows ApplesWorks to work Shocked

This is fairly random, but I have a portable version of AppleWorks 6,

in standard Puppy Luci 5.29 I can not get it to work (using QuickTime from winetricks or Windoze download) - 'qtmlclient.dll required' error

-see pic--

in Music2Go it works if I load QuickTime from Windoze download ; -)

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However, winetricks does not work.

Code:

sh-4.1# winetricks
Please install zenity if you want a graphical interface.



I tried loading zenity - but it then says it needs Glade
Code:
sh-4.1# winetricks
(zenity:23866): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/local/share/zenity/zenity.glade'


Installing Glade reveals a different error
Code:
sh-4.1# winetricks
** (zenity:23866): WARNING **: Could not load glade file : /usr/local/share/zenity/zenity.glade


Would you be willing to list the changes made to 5.29 so I could trace the error?

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On a different note if you list the filetypes and what programs you want them to be associated and how (default-action or right-click) I can make a pet to sort them out and add to PuppyMenu.

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Feb 2012, 14:16    Post subject:  

I've made an Audio submenu including reaper and progs for LazYAudio SFS - using the category - SFS-Audio - see pic
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Feb 2012, 22:10    Post subject:  

Hi darkcity,

I must have got seriously bunt out when I was putting it together!
Have done an ammended version, same download url.
Hopefully this will not break winetricks, and in fact it is running a LOT better than before, I was wondering why Podium was seizing up occasionally on the cpu at 100%.
The correct look for music2go was with the Blue Moon Icon set and Xorg High, that's the one that calms me down...

Files association pet would be aiff, wave and maybe mp3, ogg?


The only sticking point is Wavosaur,as I have discovered through testing, that it needs MFC42 dll to run. Not sure if Winetricks does this, but if that file is obtained and shoved in the Wine system 32 folder, then Wavosaur will function.
This is the only step that is required now.

Partition Saving still functions ok (spart.linux) as does Sj phone.
Still got to test the Reaper a bit more as it was slightly quirky, a few crackles going on at low latency.

Jack Control needs a bit of tweaking to match your sound card, starting with 1024 and unticking realtime, periods of 3 or 2 until you can get a latency that you are happy with, but so far the setup is encouraging. It seems to start up automatically now in the background when loading a music app. You have to run the transport if you want to run the sequencer.

At the end of the day, this is an experiment to see if it is feasible to get a little writing/playback rig together in RAM. No frills, just hardline apps that do the job. And don't crash!

I use a few pieces of gear that have a Motorola 68032 or whatever it is inside, they never crash and have been going since neolithic times!
I think they maintain and repair themselves when you go to bed.

Had a look at Ardour 3. It is 610mb. So we are talking at leat an 800mb Puppy, probably 1.6gb in reality with extras, totally defeating the cuteness and practicality of Puppy Linux, other distros can do that.
If they could stick some plugin support and MIDI in Ardour 2 that would be cool! 17mb.
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PostPosted: Mon 13 Feb 2012, 09:50    Post subject:  

Wonder why Ardour 3 is so much bigger, I wonder if any slimming could be done?

What I'd like to see is an on going version of Puppy for sound. Maybe with realtime kernel - although I know some of the real time features have been merged with standard kernel.

Thanks for updating will try later Razz

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Feb 2012, 16:40    Post subject:  

Yes,
a realtime kernel might be interesting to try, if only to just push everything to 11!
I saw a question you were asking on this forum, but lost it in the maze of posts. It was about your MIDI.
If you have a joystick port on your comp, that is where the MIDI lives.

http://www.interfacebus.com/PC_Joy_Stick_Pinout.html

Here's some on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=joystick+midi+cable&_sacat=See-All-Categories

There are data lines within the COM port and I think it was quite tight because it was dedicated if I remember correctly.

USB has replaced COM port midi, but apparently the timing can be a bit sloppy sometimes with usb midi.

The Apples, Roland machines and Ataris were tight for midi too!
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb 2012, 20:33    Post subject:  

Hi,
I did make an ISO based on Three Headed Dog and pursuing the concept of Lazy Puppy. Except Open Shot, all LazY Puppy sfs files and its programs do work in this iso.

Talking about 800mb iso:

800mb is surely too big and therefor too much outside of the concept of puppy linux (as i do see this). I think every puppy should be as small as possible and use sfs files instead of installed applications whenever it is possible.

I like the idea of installed wine but do not like the idea of installed win-apps inside puppy. Unfortunately installed wine and gecko makes about 90mb.

Why not using the concept of LazY Puppy for msuci2go pup?

Why not using wine sfs and PortableApps? You can even run wavosaur as portable app. I do use wavosaur as portable app just by copying the installed directory of waveosaur to the PortableApps directory on usb. PortableApps finds wavosaur automatically after start.

This keeps the iso small as possible and offers you about 4 gb win software as portable app. Not all do work out of the box, but with a little work (copying some dll's like mfc42.dll into wine system32) some more will work.

Actually refining this wine and PortableApps stuff is one part of my LazY Puppy Update - i am working on.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb 2012, 21:01    Post subject:  

@smithy - thanks for the info on soundcard - my soundcard has no midi port but and emulate midi - haven't tried usb midi

@RSH - the portable apps sound good to avoid having a big C drive in
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