Firefox 9 -- next version, same game as FF 8

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#41 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:All is well that ends well .... I forgot all the time to look in quickpet column "Internet" where old Firefox4 still is listed.

525 reasonably stable again now and I intend to stick to FF4 till I am sure something better is ready.
Tman has a .sfs of FF9 (which should allow you to mount it, try it, and umount it if it doesn't work):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72177

Playdayz has rebuilt/repaired FF9 (Firefox-9.0.1-2-Lucid.pet):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 178#594178
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... ges-lucid/

This is suppose to fix the problem that Firefox would not use its own libraries (and eliminated the symlinking we had been doing, which can cause other problems).

Obviously, I would back up your lupusave before trying this (I try to always have a fresh backup before installing new software). I always have 3 or 4 lupusaves laying around all the time (often in addition to my backups).

I put some version of FF9 on my 5.25 install, and it seemed to work.

I need to rebuild this 5.28 install (and upgrade to 5.28.004) since I mucked with symlinks and such to fix the system -- I'm going to try a fresh install, and then try Playdayz FF9...

BTW, a 995MHz with 1GB RAM shouldn't be too bad. I have a 900MHz Netbook that runs 5.20 without problem (going to try 5.28 eventually).

One thing I've seen is that Firefox will eat a lot of RAM, so you might want a largish swap partition or file (on my 2 1GB RAM system, I run 1.17 GB swap, just larger than my RAM -- I'm running no swap on the 1GB netbook, since it's all flash memory).
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#42 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:Started lupu 525 CD and immediately installed one of the lower 2+ versions Seamonkey as offered (not the beta of course).

As usual, I installed addon XMarks; not the usual dialogue, so I opened it by hand and made the settings. No result, no bookmarks retrieved.

Reboot without saving.

Used Dillo to go to NLUUG and found there newer/higher versions Seamonkey marked for puppy 525.

Picked Seamonkey 2.4 and installed addon XMarks which now worked and I then disabled since I have bad experience with alive addons.

Installed 525 on USB stick and rebooted:
- install flashplayer dead
- quickpet partly paralyzed, a.o cannot reach "more pets" and "news"
- many sudden Seamonkey crashes, self-recovering in restart.
====

Maybe I need a browser outside the Mozilla family.

Note: I keep using XMarks since "Sync" seems a bad joke to me; endless dialogues and never got a bookmark retrieved, I deleted my account.
What would be interesting to try...

When your system does this, open the terminal and enter

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free
(this will report free memory) -- I wonder if you're becoming memory-bound, and something isn't releasing the memory (when you run out of memory, things get sluggish -- some of the Gurus here whipped up a script to flush the RAM when that happens).

If desired, I'll post my script to flush these buffers.
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#43 Post by willem1940NLD »

I will read further messages quite interestedly .... till I think something newer than FF4 is trustworthy.

;)

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#44 Post by willem1940NLD »

Firefox 4, after a few sessions and reboots:

- install flashplayer pet is in menu, but dead
- Firefox crashes every time I close it.

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#45 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:Firefox 4, after a few sessions and reboots:

- install flashplayer pet is in menu, but dead
- Firefox crashes every time I close it.
Interesting...

This is 5.25, right?

How are you running your system? Lin'N'Win or otherwise installed? Boot from flash? Or boot from CD, reading save file on HDD?

I wonder if your lupusave is becoming corrupted.

If booting the CD, when offered a command line, enter "puppy pfix=fsck"

If you have it installed or running from flash, we can patch your boot sequence to automatically "fsck" the lupusave on every boot (I've been doing this since 4.3.1).
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#46 Post by willem1940NLD »

Changing ....

I boot starting CD first few seconds which activates my puppy525 USB stick in original USB1 of mainboard. Mainboard/bios has no facility to boot from USB. No other OS on board and no harddisk.

Made a 2GB Linux swap partition on an extra USB stick and put it to the extra USB2 card which I have to remove the (any) stick from before booting, else CD takes over and goes RAM only. If I put a stick with OS there, booting blocks after loading pupsave. So, I have to insert the "swapstick" after booting.

FF4 suddenly seemed to improve, did not crash at 10 times open/close.

Tried FF9 again but it keeps putting half of Petget out of reach so back to FF4 again and will see what next sessions bring.

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#47 Post by sredmon »

I am using 5.2.8-4 and have tried every suggestion to make FF9 work, but it continues to freeze and will not play youtube videos. Unintalled FF9, reinstalled FF8, copied my profile into /root/.mozilla/firefox, started FF8 - all add-ons setup as previously, no freeze, and youtube played immediately.

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#48 Post by willem1940NLD »

RetroTechGuy wrote: ..............................

What would be interesting to try...

When your system does this, open the terminal and enter

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free
(this will report free memory) -- I wonder if you're becoming memory-bound, and something isn't releasing the memory (when you run out of memory, things get sluggish -- some of the Gurus here whipped up a script to flush the RAM when that happens).

If desired, I'll post my script to flush these buffers.
I used "free" command, with all progs (firefox, pidgin, skype, office) closed ...... of my 1GB RAM, less than 200MB free only and often less than 50.
No idea what causes this.

Isn't there a "pet" for your script to be installed automatically? I am not a technician, might cause harm.

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#49 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote: ..............................

What would be interesting to try...

When your system does this, open the terminal and enter

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free
(this will report free memory) -- I wonder if you're becoming memory-bound, and something isn't releasing the memory (when you run out of memory, things get sluggish -- some of the Gurus here whipped up a script to flush the RAM when that happens).

If desired, I'll post my script to flush these buffers.
I used "free" command, with all progs (firefox, pidgin, skype, office) closed ...... of my 1GB RAM, less than 200MB free only and often less than 50.
No idea what causes this.

Isn't there a "pet" for your script to be installed automatically? I am not a technician, might cause harm.
I don't know that there is a "pet".

I just place this script in "/root/my-applications/bin/" (you can name it anything you want -- just make sure that the name doesn't already exist -- open a blank file, paste in the contents, save and make sure it has "execute" privilege).

I don't recall which guru(s) we have to thank for this (I'm thinking it was bruce, but won't swear to it at the moment).

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clear
echo " Initial free space"

free

echo ""
echo " clearing cache"
sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
echo ""

echo " Final free space"
free
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#50 Post by RetroTechGuy »

playdayz wrote:Let's Call This Testing for Now! At least it's on the fast server ;-)

This is a new version from the previous 9.0.1 pet. This is 9.0.1-2. The code below is implemented in this new pet.

Firefox 9.0.1 seems very sensitive to how it is started. One way it starts but it locks up. Another way it doesn't lock up but flashplayer doesn't work. This way seems to work.

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/usr/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
Firefox 9.0.1-2 -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Firef ... -Lucid.pet

You should uninstall any other Firefox pets before installing 9.0.1-2. And it should be OK to update--for a while at least ;-)
BTW playdayz, I did a clean 5.28 upgrade to v.004 (just to make sure I have no remnants of older versions -- I have multiple lupusaves, and rather than patch each of them....), then I installed the latest FF9.01-2.

Thus far, it seems to be working fine (I needed to add in the latest flash player also).

Looks good -- I'll keep abusing it and see...
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#51 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:Changing ....

I boot starting CD first few seconds which activates my puppy525 USB stick in original USB1 of mainboard. Mainboard/bios has no facility to boot from USB. No other OS on board and no harddisk.
Hrrrmmm... I'm rather suspecting that (for some reason) that your Puppy may not be shutting down cleanly... This leaves the filesystem goofed up, and eventually corrupts things (perhaps to a point of non-functional).

This occasional issue goes back a long ways:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=50524

The latest versions appear to be shutting down clean (from what I can tell), but I automatically run a "fsck" on every boot.

I've been hoping that this would be set as default for CD booting (when I ran 4.3.1 for a long time, booting from CD, I went in an patched the CD image to do this by default).

You can manually do this by when you boot the CD:

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puppy pfix=fsck
I went back to look at your machine specs/issues...

Can you try putting a working HDD on the second IDE channel? (or the other channel, from whichever one you think was damaged)

You have 2 channels, and even if one is blown, the other may still work. If you can get it booting from HDD (or USB), you can add the "fsck" code to the boot sequence.
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#52 Post by RetroTechGuy »

willem1940NLD wrote:Changing ....

I boot starting CD first few seconds which activates my puppy525 USB stick in original USB1 of mainboard. Mainboard/bios has no facility to boot from USB. No other OS on board and no harddisk.
I'm wondering if you could use this to fire up the system fully from the USB:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=7979

My hope would be that you could get it to read the syslinux.cfg residing on the USB (which is where you can force a "fsck" on every boot).

Note that there is both a floppy version and a CD version.
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#53 Post by willem1940NLD »

That is all too technical for me.

Fsck sometimes happens spontaneously in startup, after an irregular shutdown (freezing mouse/keyboard, computer has no working reset button, just switch off the power). Little harm to be feared since I am fully on Ext3 format.

At any doubt, I start with F2 and then "clean" or "purge".

Just tried 2 versions 431 again (standard and HaRo); both charming but too outdated, I need a more modern browser, in fact one that supports the Xmarks Addon.

Re-installed 525, this time with Firefox 7 ..... many browser crashes. Strange, with FF4 the extra swapspace I pottered seemed useful to the purpose so I may have to take FF4 back again.

Looked at all messages at saving newly installed 525; it loads a lot into RAM if over 256MB present .... better make that at 2G only but I cannot alter that. It now takes so much RAM constantly that rarely over 100MB stays free, often 30-40 only.

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#54 Post by willem1940NLD »

Back to Firefox 3.6.13 and all seems quiet, no crashes yet.

Note: amply over 200MB RAM free with firefox opened and pidgin active.

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#55 Post by mleschishin »

Has anyone attempted to install Firefox 8 using the method described here?

http://www.libre-software.net/how-to-in ... ll_firefox

If so, care to share your experience?

Mark

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#56 Post by willem1940NLD »

Hardware luck, for as long as it may last: got 2x HD 80GB working again, except cannot boot independently so I leave the puppy CD in one of my 2 players.

RAM 1GB is helped a lot by each HD having a 2GB swap as first partition.

FF 3.6.13 still behaving fairly well, few crashes, recovering rather easily.

Now I can wait quietly for a more modern Firefox pet that will work out of the box.

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#57 Post by sfeeley »

I read through this thread-- a bit was too technical and over the head for this newb reader.

My experience: This morning I decided to update firefox from 3.625 to 9.01 figuring that I was out of date. I did this by "checking for updates" in the help menu. (I normally keep the auto-update function off).

Firefox 9.01 seemed to work . . . . sort of. When I would click for a new page, though it would "hang" for about 10 seconds seemingly frozen, and then splash the fully rendered page up. Not nearly as snappy as my nearly instantaneous old firefox. (by which I mean what I was using until this morning). Unacceptable.

I successfully rolled back to ff 3.625 and all is running well again.

My questions:
1) So does firefox 9 just not work well with puppy? If so, which is the most recent firefox that I should upgrade to? Is there a preferred pet to or sfs to use, or another method?

2) If I'm happy with firefox 3.625 is there any real reason for me to upgrade? Firefox likes to tell me that old versions lack "security features"--is this really a concern for puppy?

My system: Lucid Puppy 5.20 on a 528ram sony vaio laptop. I've not upgraded to 5.28 or slacko --and would prefer not to--because I spent ages tweaking this install and getting wine configured to run some of my programs.

If my newb comments hijack this thread, I apologize.
thanks!

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#58 Post by rokytnji »

mleschishin wrote:Has anyone attempted to install Firefox 8 using the method described here?

http://www.libre-software.net/how-to-in ... ll_firefox

If so, care to share your experience?

Mark
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 3&start=30

Go back to page 3 post 9. Still works OK for me.

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Just installed the new Firefox 10 in Slacko...

#59 Post by AnalogReigns »

Installed version 9 as at the beginning of this thread. Then, went and deleted the firefox folder from /usr/lib and unpacked the (brand) new FF 10 into /usr/lib . Seems to work fine, without a hitch so far.....

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#60 Post by darkstrike »

sfeeley wrote: ...Firefox 9.01 seemed to work . . . . sort of. When I would click for a new page, though it would "hang" for about 10 seconds seemingly frozen, and then splash the fully rendered page up. Not nearly as snappy as my nearly instantaneous old firefox. (by which I mean what I was using until this morning). Unacceptable.
Hi folks - just decided to try installing Firefox 11 on my old machine this morning (was previously running FF7) and now I am having the same highly annoying glitch as sfeeley was in his post above (except for me as it is an older computer, the "hang" is more like 12-15 seconds or so)...any kind souls willing to try giving me ideas how to fix it? I could roll back to FF8, but I like having the latest version of programs for bug fixes, etc...

Cheers and thanks!!! :)

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