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Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012
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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec 2011, 13:59    Post subject:  

Difficult to express sufficient appreciation for anything-demux & anything-streaming!
Public spirited citizen of the world, you deserve a gong for kicking the idiot US politicians and greedy Hollyweirdos! How about a universal *ss-kicking flash-player, next?


Just one teeny-weeny comment. 'calc' opens a spreadsheet. This is a very elaborate way for adding two and two! Perhaps the label could be changed to 'spread', hopefully not causing offence amongst double-entendre aficionados. Something simpler for tax calculations might be appropriate, with a .pet for those working in the imaginary quadrant? Maybe I am missing something? People often say I am...
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec 2011, 16:41    Post subject:  

Playdayz
I have to admit Lupu 5.25 fast became my favourite from 214X, one I started using it...then the mobo decided to burn out its USB power, and, try as I might, I couldn't fix it...so, my replacement is a Supermicro server...with SCSI hdd, 5gb ram and 2 xeons...and that's where Slacko 5.3 got me puppified again, as it has both SCSI and PAE support...but if I get another P4 PC, or you add SCSI/PAE to the kernel....I'll be back LUPUing - great job, indeed Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec 2011, 17:18    Post subject:  

Sage,

Why don't you merely right click and edit your desktop icon label by deleting "calc" and typing "gnumeric" or "s'sheet" or ..... ? Then you can relax and have "A Happy Christmas".

My regards
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 04:04    Post subject:  

Quote:
Why don't you...

Yes, of course. that would solve the matter for me. However, I am more concerned with the general improvement of the breed for the benefit of other users, notably incomers. Polish and polishing some more is the only way Puppy will be able to snap at the heels of Mint.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 13:30    Post subject: 5.2.8
Subject description: Help
 

First 528 worked good, 002M when I did a save to CD are made a savefile I lost the use of the keyboard and with 003 it turns my ethernet off and it will not work again with any Puppy are windows till I shutdown the system. Then I have to unplug the ethernet csble and put it back in.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 21:12    Post subject: Re: 5.2.8
Subject description: Help
 

l2ulinux wrote:
First 528 worked good, 002M when I did a save to CD are made a savefile I lost the use of the keyboard and with 003 it turns my ethernet off and it will not work again with any Puppy are windows till I shutdown the system. Then I have to unplug the ethernet csble and put it back in.


l2ulinux, First, please try 004 in the first message of this thread. If the problem persists then try Menu -. Internet -> Frisbee Network Manager Install.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 22:06    Post subject:  

Playdayz

new versions of abiword and gnumeric are out. Would it be possible to get pets for lucid 528 and luci 001

thanks

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 23:10    Post subject: torrents and releases  

Torrents might be good during these new releases. Ibiblio is downloading this evening at about 34, even diddywah is around 40, tried aaarnet (the repository for Pirates, matey), even worse. The iso would take over an hour to pull down. (which really, when you think about speeds ten years back, ain't that bad). But I want to whine, and I'm gonna. It appears the original torrent creator must be hooked to internet 24/7? Is that right? Might be something we could put on forum somewhere? Especially with the ever increasing popularity of the Pup.

EDIT: bit here on torrents for Puppy

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72863

Back to the holiday cheer....

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 23:27    Post subject: At last, another patch (6) for sound issues  

Playdayz & others interested,
Here is the long-promised patch with my best shot at solving the sound issue without changing the original design. It is intended for Instant Update 002 through Lucid 5.2.8-004 (so far). The primary changes for the flash-drive save layer:
    - Removes /dev/snd, /dev/mixer & /dev/ttyUSB* files during initialization, as in wary.
    - Disables automatic saving by setting the save interval to zero in /etc/eventmanager file; user can change that file to activate (possibly risky) automatic saving.
    - Prevents conflict among installer, uninstaller and save snapper that could corrupt an installation.
    - Allows user to choose to be asked whether to save during shutdown, by setting "ask" in the /etc/shutdown_save_mode file.
    - Corrects/activates jemimah's removal of the actual file represented by a whiteout.
    - Creates parent directories for whiteouts if needed for storing them.
    - Cleans files out of the save layer for /dev/snd only, leaving only the whiteouts.
    - Processes whiteouts for /pinstall.sh, /puninstall.sh & /pet.specs (from package installations); whiteouts for other top (/) level files are not retained, per design.

The installer additions address situations that can damage puppy on a flash drive. Package installations are prevented if an uninstallation has taken place in the same session before a save has been done, because the uninstallation may override the installation. Uninstallations are prevented if a "save" or installation have been done, because the uninstall might corrupt an installation or fail to survive a reboot.

The conflicting situations will require a reboot to trigger saving to flash drive between installations and uninstallations. Ideally, you should be able to uninstall, then save, then install, all in the same session. But this is not possible due to a problem with the package installer. It must be completely terminated in order for a "save" to be performed. But the installer/uninstaller does not terminate completely, leaving its main process executing, even though its dialog window is closed by the "Exit package manager" button. I need a gtkdialog expert to resolve that before we can implement the all-in-one-session mode of operating.

EDIT: To clarify how the conflict prevention works, it merely instructs the user to reboot if a conflict among packages is possible. Having disabled automatic saving, I do not want to save as an invisible part of the package manager/petget. In general, it is safest to change packages as the only activity in a session, to avoid the possibility of accidentally modifying package components.

The installation of this package is a little unusual. Normally in the flash-drive environment, if a file has been uninstalled, the older version will remain functional until a reboot. In the patch package, the package manager and snapmerge components are copied to the top layer, to make them functional immediately. In case the package is uninstalled then reinstalled, the uninstallation script restores those components, to retain the new control of uninstall-save-install sequences. Therefore, use an expendable setup for early testing.

This package is consistent with the woof/wary design, by working only with /dev/snd for the sound issue. If that is still insufficient, it may support arguments for expanding special treatment in the /dev directory.
lupu528-IU002_rerwin_patch-6.pet
Description  Mods to patch-5 to improve sound issue. Be sure to reboot after installing this.
pet

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011, 23:36    Post subject: Re: torrents and releases  

cowboy wrote:
Torrents might be good during these new releases. Ibiblio is downloading this evening at about 34, even diddywah is around 40, tried aaarnet (the repository for Pirates, matey), even worse. The iso would take over an hour to pull down. (which really, when you think about speeds ten years back, ain't that bad). But I want to whine, and I'm gonna. It appears the original torrent creator must be hooked to internet 24/7? Is that right? Might be something we could put on forum somewhere? Especially with the ever increasing popularity of the Pup.

EDIT: bit here on torrents for Puppy

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72863

Back to the holiday cheer....


Since I hadn't downloaded 004 yet......I checked Ibiblio and was downloading at about 75 kB/s and I'm downloading now from diddywahdiddy at 130-140 kB/s ... both a bit slower than normal but not too bad. FWIW.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 01:35    Post subject:  

rerwin,

I am glad you understand all of that. Confused
A few minutes to sink in. Very Happy

Thank you very much for the fine tuning and your continued support. Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
We are in AWE.

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 05:05    Post subject: "ask" in the /etc/shutdown_save_mode  

rerwin wrote:
- Allows user to choose to be asked whether to save during shutdown, by setting "ask" in the /etc/shutdown_save_mode file.

Tnx rerwin, excellent work.
Sorry i haven't read through your codes but have one question regarding ask saving at shutdown.
How the user set the ask flag, /etc/shutdown_save_mode?
Isn't it easer to see the value of RAMSAVEINTERVAL set by the eventmanager?

My code in the pupsaveconfig(corresponding your update_save_layer_func):
It only ask when RAMSAVEINTERVAL=0, and no save without asking when RAMSAVEINTERVAL="-0".
Code:
save_flash() {
  [ -s /etc/eventmanager ] && source /etc/eventmanager
  RAMSAVEINTERVAL=$(echo $RAMSAVEINTERVAL| tr -dc '0-9-')
  [ "$RAMSAVEINTERVAL" != "" ] || RAMSAVEINTERVAL=30
  NOSAVE=""
  if [ $RAMSAVEINTERVAL -le 0 ]; then
    if echo "$RAMSAVEINTERVAL" | grep -q '\-'; then
      NOSAVE="yes"
    else
      dialog --timeout 60 --yes-label "SAVE" --no-label "NO SAVE" --yesno "Press ENTER key to save session...
Or, press TAB then ENTER to not save session...
Or, wait 60 seconds to shutdown without saving session..." 0 0 >/dev/console
      [ $? -eq 0 ] || NOSAVE="yes"
    fi
    if [ "$NOSAVE" != "" ];then
      rm -f /initrd${SAVE_LAYER}/etc/.XLOADED
      echo -e "Session not saved." > /dev/console
      return 1
    fi
  fi
  echo -n "Saving session to $@... " >/dev/console
  /usr/sbin/snapmergepuppy /initrd/pup_ro1 /initrd/pup_rw && echo "done." >/dev/console && return 0
  echo -e "\\033[1;31mfailed.\\033[0;39m" > /dev/console
  sleep 8
  return 1
}

Note that we need to delete the file /etc/.XLOADED (exists if the user made manual save by the 'save' button).

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 07:43    Post subject: petget  

rerwin wrote:
- Prevents conflict among installer, uninstaller and save snapper that could corrupt an installation.

Regarding the petget, i may be misunderstanding what you are going to, but i do not think your way is not a good solution.
My approach too does not solve the general issue on the install/uninstall pets but can be some help:
#Avoid was messing uo with save interval=0 under PUPMODE=13
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73829

I think we need more investigation on this issue. One thought is to force running the snapmergepuppy after removing packages.

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 08:20    Post subject:  

Torrent file for Lupu 5.25-4

Unzip and open with Transmission or other torrent handler, and, please seed.
Lupu-5.28-4.zip
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 12:30    Post subject:  

shinobar,
Thanks for your feedback on patch-6.
shinobar wrote:
How the user set the ask flag, /etc/shutdown_save_mode?
Isn't it easer to see the value of RAMSAVEINTERVAL set by the eventmanager?
RAMSAVEINTERVAL is intended to control only the automatic saving to flash drive. The prompting at shutdown is a separate issue. In response to playdayz desire for a "user-proof" puppy, but to avoid requiring user modification of a puppy script, I do not want to disrupt shutdown with a question that most users could not answer knowledgeably. A user comfortable with changing /etc/eventmanager for the automatic interval is also capable of editing /etc/shutdown_save_mode.

I am open to implementing another way of specifying the choice for shutdown, but that is what I settled on for now, to get on with the rest of the fix. Maybe the option should be associated with snapmergepuppy, and a file, /etc/snapmergepuppy.conf.

shinobar wrote:
Note that we need to delete the file /etc/.XLOADED (exists if the user made manual save by the 'save' button).
Good point! I think it can/should be done in snapmergepuppy, in the "find" command for files, to exclude that file. It would also need a cleanup removal for existing pupsave files.

shinobar wrote:
#Avoid was messing uo with save interval=0 under PUPMODE=13
I am unfamiliar with that issue, but will examine your petget package to see if something should be ported to the patches.
EDIT: I found the code in script install.sh. I prefer to wait until Barry accepts that new code, before adding it to lupu, which is playdayz's call, anyway. But if there is a test case available that reveals a bug in lupu that would be fixed by it, we might consider adding it in the interest of "user-proofing."
Richard

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