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pemasu


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec 2011, 17:33    Post subject:  

Misinformation. I thought that all-firmware should have b43 folder with firmwares but they seemed to be in /lib/firmware folder already. Wrong alarm. Sorry about this post. But I thought that I post something than remove just content. Lol.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec 2011, 17:42    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
Misinformation. I thought that all-firmware should have b43 folder with firmwares but they seemed to be in /lib/firmware folder already. Wrong alarm. Sorry about this post. But I thought that I post something than remove just content. Lol.


Hi pemasu

/lib/firmware/b43 has all the firmware.

My B43 works fine with saluki as it is based on racy and is NOT currently a 3-series kernel....

I think Barry decided in racy - which is series 3 kernel - to provide the B43 firmware already unpacked so all that is then needed on racy is to force load the B43 driver - this does not apply to saluki.

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CLAM01

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec 2011, 23:00    Post subject:  

jemimah, Tman and all,
The Saluki project looks interesting, especially with the fork to build with an essentials core surrounded by user-selectable sfs add-ons. It is much easier to keep track of what fits into a small core and to isolate problems that may come into a system with parts of sfs-isolated add-ons.

In today's insecurity environment puppies are meeting some problems for the woof core having all sorts added into it and then just being used. Something that slips in, or is slipped in, with a program may not be noticed and be spread around with the woof it's in. A problem puppy's "benevolent dictator" core controller model has is that a single sentry is easier to slip things by than many. When the one sentry is focused to a project and busy the sentry-duty part can go by the way. A small core is easier to police, and the more who are looking into its parts, adjusting and tuning, the more and he better the policing, and the more likelihood of anything untoward being found.

The solar core with planetary sfs's will make it easy to select and deselect for particular needs, letting the user modify his system more or less on the fly. A scanning-printing sfs, for example, could be left out, hooked in when needed, then put back on the shelf, in /home until next wanted. I would suggest sfs add-ons in two groups, one of groups, or selections of programs and apps, the other of individual apps, for example, office, printing, graphics group sfs's (of various flavors), and also specific office, printing and graphics sfs's. Lots of flexibility.

in 2009 and '10 jrb built ChoicePup along this sun and satellites plan. He began in 2009 with 412 and apparently closed shop after doing 431 in early 2010. Archives of his "barebones" cores (about 60M) and sfs's (at least the 4's) are accessible through http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47465&start=120 .

Another thing a new branch of puppy needs is to have the init system modified so a puppy can be launched true live-CD. You may have noticed that puppies all probe the HD, snooping the partition table, even when launched pfix=ram. There does now exist malware capable of installing itself as a "guest OS" in "free" space on an HD. Once it has set itself up it boots from the partition table. This means that a puppy.iso will boot the "guest" OS before it boots itself. Also, because puppies auto-start a web connection on start-up (which not even MS Vista does), it opens a connection for the "guest" OS to communicate home through immediately it starts. To clear out the "guest" you have to remove its partition. To do that now, you have to run a non-puppy live-CD OS, that is a real live-CD, to get around the mounted-partition locks that protect the "guest" OS. This is a real problem in puppy. Puppies are not immune to these. I managed to collect one that came with files downloaded with firefox on a recent puppy. Its parts were hidden amongst some of the twenty-eight social-media and advertising files that accompanied a download. I don't know if they attacked from the pup-save or not, because I moved the download to a folder in /mnt/home, on a 3fs extended partition. I noticed the problem from having a blank screen and disk activity when the guest re-arranged my disk to make a 20gb 4th primary partition for itself. Had I been running Windows I would have been given the "Windows is installing your updates" screen, and, being a trusting everyday user, I would have believed the screen...
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 02:21    Post subject:  

thanks for the guest OS info CLAM01
have added here as it deserves further clarification, that may hijack this thread and I believe applies to all Puppys Smile
http://puppylinux.info/topic/firefox-extras

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 02:58    Post subject:  

Aye, the "Guest OS" and other potential
security weaknesses are a very serious
concern.

The way Saluki seems to be shaping up is
very encouraging. I especially like the
thoughts regarding innovative methods of
enhancing the flexibility of "installing" apps
and drivers with potential for ease of updates
and/or painless changes.

This project may herald a new approach to
Puppy by showing us a better way to demonstrate
all that it is capable of doing! With much less
hassle!

It is so good to see Jemimah back in the groove!

Something tells me this one is gonna be a great
one!

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 08:04    Post subject:  

just posted a <1Mb initrd that boots straight to jwm and brings up an rxvt terminal
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=589511#589511

also included a build of qemu to run it, I have an arm build of qemu too if anyone wants to experiment with arm
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 14:35    Post subject:  

Download saluki-003.

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/isos/

Currently it has no applications and no printer drivers.

The kernel is 2.6.39 i686 SMP PREEMPT built by Pemasu.

I've done a bit of cleanup and added a control panel. The freememapplet is patched with a menu entry for increasing save file size.

My next projects are acpid, frisbee, sfs-on-the-fly, and various other enhancements.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 14:58    Post subject:  

Hi jemimah; I hadn`t noticed if Puppy still supports a Save partition.

My thought has always been... Why a whole partition? Why not a Save dir.?
This way the Save`s size is not limited by it`s file or partition size.
Obviously the dir`s. partition limits it`s size, but most partitions are tens to hundreds of GBs in size.
So the Save dir. would have almost unlimited space to expand into.

Setup would need to check for available Linux partitions to use of course.

# So how about options for: a Save File, or a Save Dir.?

A Save partition is unlikely to be used, so don`t bother if there isn`t one already.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 15:42    Post subject: Saluki
Subject description: 003
 

I did a manual frugal install of luki003 to an HP desktop pc.
First boot worked well to set up the screen resolution etc. and
rebooted loading the devx and my xineplus-racy-i686.sfs (it has 6 apps
in it).
Also installed pupsnap to get a screen shot.
I need to track down the kernel source sfs next to allow me to install
the nvidia driver.
It startled me when it said goodbye, I'm glad the volume wasn't real
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 15:52    Post subject:  

Kernel source: http://smokey01.com/pemasu/Saluki/

I think the nvidia module is there already. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 16:08    Post subject:  

Man frugal install 003 to HD. Nightmare setting timezones etc as so terribly slow. Racy was like this during betas, Barry fixed it somehow. I will look on his blog for the fix. Configuring touchpad area crashes X, same in Racy, B43 is detected and sets up nicely, survives re-boots. Have Opera running from an SFS, no problem.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 16:17    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Man frugal install 003 to HD. Nightmare setting timezones etc as so terribly slow. Racy was like this during betas, Barry fixed it somehow..


Fresh frugal install here and same problem with dropdown comboboxes. Beieve Barry K changed gtk.
Repoted earlier in Racy and Wary....http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=581607#581607

Think this post addresses the fix http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=581896#581896
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 16:18    Post subject:  

Cant see where to add an SFS?
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 16:52    Post subject:  

Fresh frugal install here and same problem with dropdown comboboxes

The same.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011, 17:35    Post subject: Manual frugal install of luki003  

Manual frugal install of luki003 an ext4 partition on a Dell Inspiron laptop with intel graphics will not boot. It appears to be booting properly but hangs up at a black screen which will accept no input. Menu.lst
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title Test (sda7/test)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies /test/initrd.gz
  kernel /test/vmlinuz  pmedia=atahd psubdir=test pfix=fsck
  initrd /test/initrd.gz

I had same problem with 002 on this laptop, although it ran fine on my desktop.

Regards,
Jim
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