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playdayz


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 16:03    Post subject:  

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But if I want to make Libreoffice Writer my default wordprocessor, I can only choose between Abiword, and some other

Volhout, To set LibreOffice Writer as the default word processor that opens by clicking the write icon on the desktop, you can right-click /usr/local/bin/defaltwordprocessor and choose Open as text. Then change abiword to swriter and Save. (I don't have Libre installed so I can't check, but I am almost certain swriter is the name/command for the Libre writer. I believe it is called swriter because Libre Office is ultimately descended from Star Office, which was part of the gui developed by Xerox PARC that was later adapted to form the Macintosh.)
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 17:26    Post subject:  

Here is a command line tool that can change default apps.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54587

Here is a GUI program for selecting default apps. Not clear if it is finished product.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=426145#426145

Default Chooser
This is probably the best one
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56282
Edit:
The default chooser seems to work OK in Puppy 5.2.8. Only problem is some programs do not show in drop-down menus, but you can manually input program name into item entry slot and it works to change default to that program.
Have to select update button for changes to take affect.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 17:31    Post subject:  

Upgrade works perfectly on my Acer Aspire One D255.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:23    Post subject: default program chooser  

@BigPup: the last one you showed is the one that is implemented in puppeee. Great tool. I am not sure what Jemimah did, but when you install a browser or any other program she had in her repository, it automatically was selectable in the default program chooser. I did not know you could manually enter text in the fields, I allways used the pull-down selection. And that was what I expected in 528 also. Especially if you install from the main menu (not from an UBUNTU repository or so) in 528.

@PlayDayz: thank you for showing the work around. I already used this method before in 525 (for OpenOffice at that time). But I was wondering if it would be possible to improve the libreoffice upgrade in 528 by making it more user friendly. And I am still puzzled if the file associations for the file types handled by libreoffice are adapted if libreoffice would be the default wordprocessor/spreadsheet/presentation manager. Where would that be uopdated ? Is that XDGopen ? It would be nice if I open a mail with powerpoint attached, and it would automatically open in Libreoffice.

If I sound confused, I appologize. I don't know how this works "under the hood", but would like (no offense..!) to open files with the best software package to handle them. And Openoffice supports more file formats then Abiword, and displays less garbage when I throw microsoft documents at it. I understand Abiword is in puppy for very good reasons (size) but inadequate for my work and my wifes work. And it would be great if Libreoffice could be installed as seemless as Abiword was implemented.

Regards,

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:27    Post subject: Patch updated with latest wary version of snapmergepuppy  

I have added snapmergepuppy to patch-1 to make "-2". It is the version in wary 5.2, last changed in May. It now omits the /dev/snd directory from its operation. Maybe that will improve sound reliability with USB flash drives.

Install "-2" with or without patch-1, since it replaces "-1", but can go "on top of it". For the change to be effective, the /dev/snd directory should probably be deleted manually and "snapped", before installing "-2", since that directory is probably already on the drive. Not a problem if you are starting afresh.

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Install lupu-528 and
then make a save file and
then reboot and
then do the Instant Upgrade?
and then reboot and
then install the MultiMedia Upgrade?
The reason I advise making a pupsave file before installing some packages is that if they contain a pinstall script that removes files or directories, the removals are ignored during creation of the pupsave file.

I sometimes include such removals as a precaution to ensure obsolete files are eliminated. But most dotpet packages do not remove files/directories, so can be installed either way.

The exception to the rule is the case where you only want to install packages, immediately make a remaster and then shut down without making a pupsave file.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:44    Post subject:  

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To set LibreOffice Writer as the default word processor that opens by clicking the write icon on the desktop, you can right-click /usr/local/bin/defaltwordprocessor and choose Open as text. Then change abiword to swriter and Save.

I changed it to libreoffice and that worked for me.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 19:28    Post subject: ppm  

I just noticed that 528's ppm doesn't include packages-puppy-common-official.

Something for the next patchfile?
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 19:33    Post subject:  

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would like (no offense..!) to open files with the best software package to handle them. And Openoffice supports more file formats then Abiword, and displays less garbage when I throw microsoft documents at it.

Volhout, I tend to agree with you but as you say, Abiword is in Puppy for size reasons--IMHO simply small size would not be a good enough reason, but Abiword does also open *simple* docx files reasonably well, and I bet that most files people come across and need to open are docx. For more serious work, there is Libre Office.

I would have thought that changing the defaultwordprocessor would cause word processor files to open in Libre Writer. For spreadsheets you would need to change defaultspreadsheet. And I am not sure about presentation files, since there is not a default presentation program. This all could be automated--with some work--right now we are using 01micko's Get LibreOffice program to make installing easy. He could possibly add the defaults to that program, if he could find the time and you ask nicely Wink

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The Super Multimedia Update for Lucid 5.2.8 will not be released. There is a bug in the new mplayer that screws up DVD menus worse than ever. If you like it there is nothing wrong with it other than that, but since one reason for upgrading was to *fix* the problem with DVD menus it seems pointless to make it official. XineDVD is the default DVD player and has no problem with menus, but it seemed that since gnome-mplayer is right there on the desktop it should play DVD's at least decently, and it does with Instant Update 002.. XineDVD also has better quality with Instant Update 002.

However, Pmusic_Update for Lucid 5.2.8 is released. It provides the dependencies to update Pmusic to version 2.2.2 (and then further updates of Pmusic can be installed from the Pmusic thread).

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Pmusic_Upgrade-Lucid528.pet

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People might want to look at the first message of this thread. It now has the Instant Update 002, plus sections for Recommended Updates and Optional Updates.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 20:11    Post subject:  

Sylvander,
Thanks for the new diag file. Note that when the speaker icon disappears, "retrovol" has crashed, probably because something is not right with the sound setup, or it has not been fully activated.

I think the multimedia card may be the issue, in that it contains 2 separate sound devices that use the same driver, snd-cmipci.
    0 [CMI8738 ]: CMI8738 - C-Media CMI8738
    C-Media CMI8738 (model 37) at 0xd000, irq 9
    1 [CMI8738_1 ]: CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
    C-Media CMI8738 (model 55) at 0xa400, irq 10
Their events that trigger module loading are:
    12:59:59 add_0000:00:0b.0_pci_0x13f6_0x0111_pci:v000013F6d00000111sv00001681sd0000A650bc04sc01i00
    12:59:59 add_0000:00:05.0_pci_0x13f6_0x0111_pci:v000013F6d00000111sv00001043sd000080E2bc04sc01i00

Puppy treats them as the same sound card, whichever gets assigned to be device 0. Assuming that the number is assigned in the order the events occur, maybe the events can occur in either order. Both diag files show the one identified as 0000:00:0b.0 occurring first. Maybe 0000:00:05.0 is the actual sound card part. You could check this by entering this command during a session where the sound is normal:
Code:
grep '0111' /tmp/udevtrace.log
I am hoping that 0000:00:05.0 will be listed first. Also list the device assignments with:
Code:
cat /proc/asound/cards
To see if the order is reversed.


The next thing to try is wary 5.2, to see how it handles the multimedia card. You might simulate what you did to get your second diag file, by rebooting wary and making a pupsave file, then installing its service pack and rebooting again. And try whatever you can think of that might kill the speaker icon.

Note that others are suspecting a connection with USB flash drives, so look out for that factor.

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1. When I tried to create a lupusave file at 1st shut-down, that attempt FAILED!
That concerns me. That should not happen unless you you have no space for the file. Can you give more details? All the other stuff you did to work around that simply confounds the problem. Please try the normal pfix=ram, reboot and make pupsave procedure -- on a hard drive or even a multisession CD, to avoid any issue with USB drives. Resolve the failure, so we can have a "pure" test. Thanks.
Richard
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 12:13    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
Yes. The easiest way to kill the multiple splash screens was to restart X.


I thought it as good an excuse as any to investigate LXTask. Smile

playdayz wrote:
I was testing something the first time it happened and I about died, thinking "How could I have caused this?!" But I finally figured there was no relation. Whew.


Yeah, always a little odd when unforseen wierdness coincides with one changing something that was completely unrelated. The script should probably be altered to quit cleanly and error if it can't find what it's looking for. I suspect it would've also message spammed in cases where the internet connection was unavailable too, which was my first thought when it happened to me.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 12:42    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
When will they ever learn. Never ever under no cicumstance upgrade. Always always start afresh and make everythings fresh install Smile


Or at least make sure that your save is backed up first, in case something does go wrong.

nooby wrote:
That is the Puppy rule man! Smile Yes I am a sinner too. When the old works so well it is a core to install everythign again but the rule is there for a reason. Do a new install and not an upgrade!


I've generally been lucky with upgrades. One of the wierdest things I've seen during testing was in the run-up to Lupu 520. I'd been using the same Lucisave on the K6 since Luci 238 without problems right up to Luci 246. Once the RC Lupu 516 came out I found I couldn't create new saves. After a lot of testing, I found that the problem had actually started in Luci 242 but I hadn't noticed it at the time as I wasn't creating new saves.

Now, of course, creating a new save is a major part of my testing but I generally upgrade.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 14:43    Post subject:  

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The script should probably be altered to quit cleanly and error if it can't find what it's looking for. I

Yes it is changed Jades

Install Flashplayer. Adobe moves Flashplayer so the original GetFlash is obsolete. This program prevents obsolescence. Run it every week or two to keep up with the latest Flashplayer. ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-lucid/flash_install-0.1.pet

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For those who use Three-Headed Dog, Instant Update 001 for 3HD is posted in the first message of that thread. This is an improvement over the RC. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 17:26    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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would like (no offense..!) to open files with the best software package to handle them. And Openoffice supports more file formats then Abiword, and displays less garbage when I throw microsoft documents at it.

Volhout, I tend to agree with you but as you say, Abiword is in Puppy for size reasons--IMHO simply small size would not be a good enough reason, but Abiword does also open *simple* docx files reasonably well, and I bet that most files people come across and need to open are docx. For more serious work, there is Libre Office.

I would have thought that changing the defaultwordprocessor would cause word processor files to open in Libre Writer. For spreadsheets you would need to change defaultspreadsheet. And I am not sure about presentation files, since there is not a default presentation program. This all could be automated--with some work--right now we are using 01micko's Get LibreOffice program to make installing easy. He could possibly add the defaults to that program, if he could find the time and you ask nicely Wink

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The Super Multimedia Update for Lucid 5.2.8 will not be released. There is a bug in the new mplayer that screws up DVD menus worse than ever. If you like it there is nothing wrong with it other than that, but since one reason for upgrading was to *fix* the problem with DVD menus it seems pointless to make it official. XineDVD is the default DVD player and has no problem with menus, but it seemed that since gnome-mplayer is right there on the desktop it should play DVD's at least decently, and it does with Instant Update 002.. XineDVD also has better quality with Instant Update 002.

However, Pmusic_Update for Lucid 5.2.8 is released. It provides the dependencies to update Pmusic to version 2.2.2 (and then further updates of Pmusic can be installed from the Pmusic thread).

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Pmusic_Upgrade-Lucid528.pet

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People might want to look at the first message of this thread. It now has the Instant Update 002, plus sections for Recommended Updates and Optional Updates.


Hi playdayz

Are you referring to the one that is currently the RC Super Multimedia Update? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 18:01    Post subject:  

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The Super Multimedia Update for Lucid 5.2.8 will not be released

Are you referring to the one that is currently the RC Super Multimedia Update?

Yes nooby. There is a problem with the newer mplayer version leaving a box on the screen after selecting from a DVD menu. Instead of the SWM (Super Multimedia Update), there is a Pmusic_Upgrade which has the other half of the Multimedia Upgrade, and provides the dependencies for running Pmusic 2.2.2.

Pmusic Upgrade provides the dependencies to upgrade Pmusic to version 2.2.2, and then further updates can be downloaded from the pmusic thread http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Pmusic_Upgrade-Lucid528.pet

If for some reason you like the Multimedia Upgrade and you don't play DVD's with gnome-mplayer then you can leave it installed or uninstall it. If you uninstall it, then gnome-mplayer will do better with DVD menus--though XineDVD is still the recommended default for playing DVD's. The Pmusic Upgrade is for people who want to use the latest Pmusic which has a lot of cool new features over the 1.8.3 that is in Lucid 5.2.8. The Pmusic_Upgrade is not small however, 3.7MB because of the dependencies.
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 18:25    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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The Super Multimedia Update for Lucid 5.2.8 will not be released

Are you referring to the one that is currently the RC Super Multimedia Update?

Yes nooby. There is a problem with the newer mplayer version leaving a box on the screen after selecting from a DVD menu. Instead of the SWM (Super Multimedia Update), there is a Pmusic_Upgrade which has the other half of the Multimedia Upgrade, and provides the dependencies for running Pmusic 2.2.2.

Pmusic Upgrade provides the dependencies to upgrade Pmusic to version 2.2.2, and then further updates can be downloaded from the pmusic thread http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Pmusic_Upgrade-Lucid528.pet

If for some reason you like the Multimedia Upgrade and you don't play DVD's with gnome-mplayer then you can leave it installed or uninstall it. If you uninstall it, then gnome-mplayer will do better with DVD menus--though XineDVD is still the recommended default for playing DVD's. The Pmusic Upgrade is for people who want to use the latest Pmusic which has a lot of cool new features over the 1.8.3 that is in Lucid 5.2.8. The Pmusic_Upgrade is not small however, 3.7MB because of the dependencies.


Thanks for the clarification playdayz.

Pmusic 2.2.2 update installed,works great Very Happy
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