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nooby

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 14:01    Post subject:  

Did you make a CD/DVD/USB full install on a linux partition
or did you do a "Live" frugal iso install or a "Live" frugal install
on NTFS internal hdd?

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 14:05    Post subject:  

No jnstall at all just yet; I'm booting it from the CD-R and running it live.

- CP

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 19:43    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
I'm posting from the new Archbang release, 2011.11, which I downloaded yesterday. It's fast and works really well, but I still find the default themes much too dark. I also can't find any office apps such as Gnumeric and Abiword. Otherwise, it would definitely be a contender for my favourite live distro apart from Puppy.

At the very least, it's an easy route into Arch.


here you go
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/

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this looks pretty good
http://wiki.archbang.org/index.php?title=Default_ArchBang_Configs
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 04:54    Post subject:  

Thanks. I've installed abiword and gnumeric (and a handful of other packages such as gkrellm and midnight commander) now.

For most people, especially ones with a bit of Linux experience, I think Archbang would fulfil their needs for a Linux distro. It's both fast and lightweight, and via the Arch repositories can access a large collection of apps which are all very up to date (this in particular impressed me).

It doesn't have Portabase, however (as both Puppy and Debian do), and I can't see any way of installing it in Arch or Archbang. Slackware has the same problem.

Best,

CP .

(A quick update: I've now managed to install Portabase in Archbang by converting the Portabase 2 pet to a tar.gz file. It would probably work for a Slackware distro as well).

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2011, 08:59    Post subject:  

Currently trying a live USB of Bodhi Linux - a ubuntu LTS based distro using 3.0.0.14 kernel - surprisingly it picked up my B43 wireless out of the box with NetworkManager (every other buntu distro i tried in the past failed at this)
The windows manager is Enlightenment, im not sure if i like it or not you see some real slick screen shots of it but there are settings for absolutely everything which can be a bit frustrating and overwhelming - it is however light weight using around 120mb of ram at idle - i imagine it would use a bit less for a normal HDD install.
There's not much installed applications wise (Midori browser, Leafpad text editor, PcmanFm file manager ) <-- and thats it ! so if you are looking for a complete distro this probably isn't for you - but if you like to have the freedom to install what you want then this is a plus - as there isn't much pre installed the .ISO is only around 350mb download.
Overall i give Boghi Linux a thumbs up - light weight in size and resources - and if you don't like Enlightenment then Bohdi linux will probably make a good starting point for installing some other windows manager like LXDE with out all the bloat of the official version of Lubuntu.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 13:08    Post subject:  

Another quick update. Apart from Puppy Classic, I'm just Just using ArchBang at the moment. I stopped being able to log in to Swift Linux (which I'd installed to my hard drive) for some reason, and without Swift there's not a lot of point keeping Mint Debian (since the Mint Grub installer won't pick up ArchBang on my drive, or vice versa, and I'm still figuring out how to work with Grub manually).

This reminds me of something; wasn't there an attempt recently to build Puppy out of Arch? If so, does anyone know what became of it?

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nooby

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 13:19    Post subject:  

There was such an attempt yes but
maybe it was too difficult to accomplish?

while I am at it. Archiso by Gedano is the only arch
that allow one to boot frugal install on NTFS?

I totally failed with ArchBang. It search something
but never find it.



title Archiso-live boots okay on frugal install but don't allow me to write to the partition it booted from
root (hd0,2)
kernel /archiso/boot/vmlinuz from=/dev/sda3/archiso rw elevator=deadline session=xfce nonfree=no
initrd /archiso/boot/initrd.img

But Godane then had a HDD crash and being a poor student
could not afford to buy a computer with similar specifications
and the one that was given to him by supporters of Archiso
that one had not enough specification to run well so he changed
from Arch to Slitaz and try to make Slitaz modular in same way
as his Archiso was modular???

But the embarrassing thing is that the official Slitaz 3 boot very
easily while Godane's Slitaz fails to boot using the frugal code
that I tried it with. So either that I miss a needed code or him
changed something that is needed to boot in fruga install on NTFS.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 16:24    Post subject:  

Juts an update to my previous post r.e. Bodhi Linux - well i went ahead and did a HDD install - all pretty much straight forward, uses what looks like the ubuntu installer, install time was about 5 minutes from a live USB - installed size on the HDD is 1.3gb - ram usage when installed around 90mb. Im really not sold on E17 so installed openbox + tint2 + mplayer ram usage 70mb Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 17:40    Post subject:  

Bodhi makes a great live CD, using Remastersys.
Using it now.
Boots in under 2min.
It only loads progs into RAM when needed.
Puppy 525 takes a full 4min.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 18:16    Post subject:  

Puppy 525 takes a full 4min. (to boot)

How do you boot it then? Mine boot within a minute not sure 45 or 35 seconds from power on to desktop usable. How can it take four minutes?

Oh you use an old version of Flash thumb memory and has a huge pupsave file?

I use Netrunner live when I want an ubuntu and booting it frugally like this

Quote:


title Netrunner 2011 frugal iso boot of netrunner-3.2.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /netrunner-3.2.iso
kernel /netrunner/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/netrunner.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/netrunner-3.2.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /netrunner/casper/initrd.lz


I boot that on internal NTFS hdd same partition that have Windows on it.
Grub4dos code and it allow me to both read and write without being root or to do any sudo or su or any change of permissions whatsoever.

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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 18:20    Post subject:  

I just timed booting into my Lucid 528 install on my old Athlon XP box....... it took a whole 30 seconds.From selection in Grub to a full,working desktop..... plenty quick for me. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011, 18:40    Post subject:  

James that seems very reasonable. 35 seconds seems statistically fair to guess most people boots.

So WindUpToy how have you set it all up? Full install on ext4 or somethign on USB?

But WindUpToy gets it most likely very right.

If one have a cheap 2 or 4 GB Flash memory of the older type.
I have several that are say 3 years old. I booted a lupu513
from one such the other day and it took many many minutes.
I did not expect it to take that long time so I did not look at the clock.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 15:15    Post subject:  

I tested one of those Ubuntu that is not FOSS because
these versions have already installed a lot of proprietary codex
and programs and so on that the standard Ubuntu tells you
to download on your own conscience to use.

But that makes it not practical if one boot frugally because
Ubuntu don't save on the NTFS drive so it does not remember
the changes one have made.

Now why would one want to do a frugal install of Super OS
or SuperX or Netrunner or Bodhi or Peppermint or any of all the others?

Because it is a very fast way to get to know them before one decide
on doing real installs of them.

Quote:

title Super OS 2011 11.04 frugal iso boot of Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso
kernel /superos/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /superos/casper/initrd.lz



The boot code that I have described allow one to iso boot
and with the feature that one can do edit and almost anything
a nooby need to do with Puppy and without being root and not
having to learn Sudo or Su or Admin or any such. It just works.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 15:57    Post subject:  

I pretty much stopped distro hopping when I loaded Bodhi on my laptop.
As much as I am impressed with Puppy, I need to be able to install printer drivers for a Lexmark which are designed for 10.04. Also, it is nice to have a fully functional apt-get on the command line. The other issue I have always had with Puppy is a dislike for ROX.
E17/Thunar is a nicer mix in my mind. Bodhi stays small if one is carefull not to allow a full upgrade and the online instal option from the repos is very nice. As the puppy wends his way twords slackware, it might be that I will stay with a 'buntu spin, but I will be watching some of the debian based Pups to see if I can go back to Puppy.
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Location: melbourne.au Slick525DVD

PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 17:00    Post subject:  

Quote:
Bodhi makes a great live CD, using Remastersys.

and that is the topic of that post. I.E: live CD.

I would like to hear if anyone is able to boot a remastered Puppy 525 live CD that has only 3 extra installed progs, including Firefox, in under 4mins.

Asking questions about how I have it installed completely ignores the topic.

@linuxbear,
I know exactly how you feel, altho I use several "activity" setups of Puppy for different purposes, e.g: Publishing, GPS & Mapping, Testing & Building, etc, but for the NET I use a LIVE CD.

I hope that clears things up for those who didn't get it.

(a clue may have been got from the line under my location, on the left... Slick525DVD) Very Happy
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