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#201 Post by jim3630 »

nooby wrote:Guys! Please Teach me how to boot into root on Semplice!
Thanks for telling about it.

nooby, iirc first web page stated Semplice has a login error of some kind.

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http://semplicedev.posterous.com/

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#202 Post by nooby »

Thanks I have to take a look at that one then.

I need to learn how to add things to Bodhi and then to do a remix.
That is the only way for me to get åäö swedish unique chars.

Edit. I tested Semplice again and it is kind of odd in the log in.

One have to give user user and password live two times

Them ask about confirming English and that is the only way for me to log in. If I chose other or something them the boot in fails but accepting English then it works but ask one to give password again after doing the English set up.

So now I have Peppermint, Bodhi and Semplice and Elementary OS too. Do you guys know anything about that one? I remember me even entered their forum but now when try to find my posts them don't even
have a forum but DistroWatch says them have. Mystery!

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distri ... elementary
http://elementaryos.org/
Have you checked the address you entered for mispelled words?
So the link is wrong or them shut it down?
Ah them have had a forum and then them shut it down read here
http://elementaryos.org/support/answers/362

I did not write in their forum I wrote here in Puppy :)


Elementary seems to be Ubuntu only remixed to a lighter version.
AnywayI am in Elementary now and it can even save changes to files on the internal hdd which both Pussy Linux and Crunchbang and Semplicity and AntiX and Simply Mephis fails to do if one boot the way I did iso boot frugal install.
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#203 Post by Aitch »

nooby

I dare to suggest you are better at testing/booting OSes than anyone here....certainly better than me!

Aitch :)

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#204 Post by nooby »

I dare say that I am too sloppy and careless and too hastily
when I do it. And being retired with now wife no male friends
no children or pets then one have too much time on ones hands.

So this is the only way I know to survive. I really wished me
was good at testing. I fail to remember even what I did a few
minutes ago when I test things. So it is not what I recommend.

I recommend one are keen to write down whatever step one do
that way one can reconstruct any error and find solutions.

Haha one time I changed the log in to yahoo groups.

Took me a month of testing to get back that user name and password

My body knew way down layers beyond my conscious recall.
I had to trick it to just do it. To do some kind of mental short cut
to my deeper layers and just let the auto pilot take over and place
it back in time when it last logged into yahoo and to silent my conscious
and then just look on the fingers when them did what the body knew
but which Nooby had no recall of what to do and suddenly I just did it.

big surprise I had that user name and password. My body has a will
of its own Hahah
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#205 Post by nooby »

Now I have 4 or more of the remixed Ubuntu lightweight versions?
Elementary the latest I tested. Bodhi and Peppermint and Semplice and Elementary OS.

And there is another too. What was the name? Ultimate iso OS
That one looked rather cool but was too involved for my taste.
So much to learn.

And there is AriOS and Asturix and Moon OS and Netrunner and
Crunchbang and ArchBang and so on. Endless almost.

I only keep those that allow me to save on the HDD that I iso boot on.

Is Peppermint maybe the most easy to use due to them having more
installed like flash player?

Edit

An embarrassing question. Now that I have tested five?
small variations of Ubuntu/Debian varieties.
Bodhi, Peppermint2, Elementar, Semplice and Ultimate linux OS

Why would one prefer one over the other.

As a total noob I get kind of dizzy not knowing which to chose.
I guess I can make one USB for Bodhi and one for Peppermint Two?

The very bad thing are/is that two of these OS have Chrome/Chromium browsers.
I am more used to using Firefox.
So that makes it complicated. I would try to get rid of the Chrome thing
and add FF7 instead? But maybe Chrome have shared libraries that other
progs need?
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#206 Post by nooby »

Edit. Now with more experience I would place Netrunner OS before Elementary OS due to Netrunner booting easier and having more
Out of the Box for us noobs.
old text follows

ElementaryOS seems easy to use. But I know nothing about it.
It uses Midori while some of the other small versions use Chrome
and as we all know Chrome don\t want to be root.

here is my way of booting elementary on my NTFS hdd frugal iso boot.

title Elementary OS elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso
kernel /elementary/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /elementary/casper/initrd.lz

So you need this iso elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso and then you use
puppy to extract the casper and preseed dirs by copying them to a dir
named elementary

I am writing from within now and it allow me to save changes to the hdd.
Which is unusual for an iso mounted Ubuntu variant.

Sorry the bad thing about Elementary is that it lacks Flash player
while the Bodhi and Peppermint Two most likely have these built
into Chrome browser youtube being Google and Chrome also such!

So should one use Bodhi and Peppermint Two instead?

Edit have now tested both and Bodhi lacks both picture viewer and media player
so Pmint2 is the best so far apart from LinuxMint 11 but that one is slower.

Semplice AFAIK lack ability to allow me to even see the drive that I boot from due to it being a pure Debian. Them take security dead serious.

Linux Mint don't even tell what password their live user have.
Name seems to be mint but password is everybody's guess?

Linux Mint 11 is the most complete of these but very slow being Gnome and
overloaded with lot of things going on.
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#207 Post by dagodemon42 »

Nooby, on the Linux Mint Community page, they say that the login is mint, password is blank.(just hit the enter key). I hope this helps.community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/69

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#208 Post by nooby »

Yes and it is true if one boot from the CD or a DVD or maybe from an USB too.

But it is not true if one boot the way I do. And I am not alone to have experienced this
a few others write about it too that it fails if one use other ways to boot.

Them even fail to find it okay that one boot like I do. Why don't you do it the proper way
them ask me.

Is that not cool? I mean was it not Debian that came up with Frugal boot way back in time?
Maybe my memory is failing me but Knopper when him did Knoppix used something
he named "Poor Man's Boot" and as I get it him learned that from Debian?

Regardless. The more I test these small Ubuntu/Debian varieties the one that works
best out of the box seems to be Peppermint Two. It has Flash and it has pictureviewers
and it has mediaplayers installed from scratch and it can save changes to the menu.lst
so what more can one ask for in a crazy booting of iso directly on HDD. So practical.

Sure it is not "Real Linux Partition Full Install" but it is a Nooby way of doing Linux.
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#209 Post by nooby »

Sorry that I ask such stupid question.

if Puppy is already 100% compatible with Debian then why would
I or anybody even look at LMDE or Bodhi or Peppermint or Semplice
or Pussy or Crunchbang or anything else than Puppy?

Is even IguLeder's GuyDog compatible with Debian repo?
I know too little and fail to search for such info too.
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#210 Post by nooby »

Saline OS which are now actual on DW having a release this week
are on of these Debian distros that also fail to allow us to have access
to the internal HDD if we boot using frugal install grub4dos code.

I tested this version.

title Saline OS 1.5 live find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /salinelive/vmlinuz live-media-path=/salinelive boot=live noautologin quickreboot noprompt nosmp
initrd /salinelive/initrd.img

I have not tested if iso booting behave differently. I doubt it does.
anyway you click on the iso and drag it out to / and copy the live file there and rename it to salinelive.

title Saline OS 1.5 live iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso
kernel /salinelive/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed live-media-path=/salinelive boot=live iso-scan/filename=/SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso quiet splash --
initrd /salinelive/initrd.img
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#211 Post by jim3630 »

nooby wrote:Sorry that I ask such stupid question.

if Puppy is already 100% compatible with Debian then why would
I or anybody even look at LMDE or Bodhi or Peppermint or Semplice
or Pussy or Crunchbang or anything else than Puppy?

Is even IguLeder's GuyDog compatible with Debian repo?
I know too little and fail to search for such info too.
one reason is LMDE downloads the program and all of it's dependencies.

have downloaded some, at least one, programs in LMDE that did not work and plan to call it up in the console later and try figure out why didn't work first time.

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#212 Post by nooby »

Thanks Jim. I can add Illume OS to the Debian that refuse to
allow saving to the drive it booted from if one boot up as live
user frugal install on NTFS.

It did not help I was root either. The whole drive is set up as Read only
and there is no way to set it as rw.

Another short report. Lubuntu worked as good as Peppermint and
as Bodhi does but lacked the codecs for some formats.

But I guess that is to be expected them being FOSS?

Among the small lightweight liteweight? distros I guess Porteus
is most like Puppy in that Porteus can save in a save file

but I don't remember now if one can log in as root. Maybe one do?
I have such a poor memory. Anyway it do allow one to edit files like
menu.lst on the drive one boot from.
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#213 Post by rokytnji »

nooby wrote:Sorry that I ask such stupid question.

if Puppy is already 100% compatible with Debian then why would
I or anybody even look at LMDE or Bodhi or Peppermint or Semplice
or Pussy or Crunchbang or anything else than Puppy?

Is even IguLeder's GuyDog compatible with Debian repo?
I know too little and fail to search for such info too.
Different strokes for different folks nooby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98PdrZqd4Ko

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#214 Post by nooby »

Linux is a touchy feely subject :)
Wow I know I have had Netrunner before
but fail to remember why I did not keep it.

It is actually very good. only used some 250MB
of my 1GB while my current Snow Puppy is so
overloaded that it take ssome 900mb.

Netrunner seems to have everything and
it just works using the way I learned from d4p
which I brutally shaved down to a minimum.

His version as I get it is really for USB while
my lean version works very well on my machine.

Code: Select all

      
 title Netrunner 2011 frugal iso boot of netrunner-3.2.iso 
 find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /netrunner-3.2.iso
 kernel	/netrunner/casper/vmlinuz rw  file=/cdrom/preseed/netrunner.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/netrunner-3.2.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
 initrd	/netrunner/casper/initrd.lz
as usual one place the iso on / and create a dir on / named as the distro
and in that dir one extract and copy the casper directory and the preseed dir maybe I don't trust one need the isolinux though but it could be good to ahve if one get curious on their code for usb and CD.

it all boots and work like a charm. One of the better apart from being KDE which is a bit too bloated for my 1GB small computer.
the Fan whine due to cpu workign hard.
http://www.netrunner-os.com/

I trust that Netrunner will be among my most faved for frugal iso install
outside of Puppy distros that is.
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#215 Post by nooby »

D4P you should have given me the link! No criticism just facts :)

Here is the proper link.
Install Ubuntu directly from hard disk
Author An article by Bharat Balegere

http://agnipulse.com/2011/08/install-ubuntu-hard-disk/

he writes
In this article I will be showing how you can install Ubuntu(and its derivatives) directly from hard disk.
Advantages of installing Ubuntu directly from Hard Disk

1. Secondary media like CD,DVD or USB Flash Drive are not required
2. Installation is faster
3. No need to change boot order.You have to boot normally from your hard disk

Install Ubuntu from iso using Grub4Dos

1. Install Grub4dos to your Hard Disk.Grub4Dos is powerful bootloader which supports iso emulation
2. Download Ubuntu to the root of any drive.
3. Add the following entry to menu.lst
Comment he gives the same code as you did D4P. I guess you got it
from him or somebody quoting him???

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title Install Ubuntu
find --set-root /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
map /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso (0xff)  || map --mem /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed noprompt boot=casper only-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.lz
Then he tell how one unmount the hdd for to install the Ubuntu to it.
Which I am not going to do due to that start to resize and partition it.

I want my hdd to be as it is when I bought the machine.

You can read about it on the link.

What I experienced was that it did not work on my machine so I made
a cheat version of the one that Bharat Balegere gave us.

Netrunner which is a Kubuntu variety looks then like this

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 title Netrunner 2011 frugal iso boot of netrunner-3.2.iso 
 find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /netrunner-3.2.iso
 kernel	/netrunner/casper/vmlinuz rw  file=/cdrom/preseed/netrunner.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/netrunner-3.2.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
 initrd	/netrunner/casper/initrd.lz
this part differ. only-ubiquity which maybe is needed at some times.
I know too little to give advice on ubiquity what is that thing :)

I've kept the noeject ? anyway it is good that we have a proper link now
to the guy that came up with it?
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#216 Post by nooby »

sudo umount -l /isodevice

suggested by Bharat Balegere above.
Would that allow me to use the casper-rw file for saving changes?
I mean if one do sudo umount -l /isodevice before shutting down
would that make casper-rw see a way to save changes.

or is it that it resides on a NTFS drive that makes saving to it fail?
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#217 Post by d4p »

Sorry I dont know about that link at all.
If you really want to learn at least read the guide
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/map.htm

If you need advise maybe ask the guy who successful create multiboot with multiple partitions on many internal HDD
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... a57174d363

We are not on the same direction:
I have no problem to figure out multiboot with internal HDD.
I have used grub4dos for multiboot manager for a while I think since 2007 or maybe before. My concentration is always multiboot and portable; cd/dvd/UFD is just too small so that I choose external HDD for many purposes and for many good reasons.
At least I have now 150 multibootable images on a single USB external HDD.
It tested & worked on many computers.
Just added in my multiboot:
Mandriva2011
Neptune2
Asturix3
USU7
Semplice2b

Dreamlinux & opensuse & ghostBSD work fine in single boot, not yet in multiboot.



""Comment he gives the same code as you did D4P. I guess you got it
from him or somebody quoting him???
Code:
title Install Ubuntu
find --set-root /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
map /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso (0xff) || map --mem /ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed noprompt boot=casper only-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.lz

Then he tell how one unmount the hdd for to install the Ubuntu to it.
Which I am not going to do due to that start to resize and partition it.""


I always will avoid of using mem, particular for big distros. Remember mine is all portable.
On small images is ok to use mem and on some I use memdisk or not at all.

I mentioned already somewhere in this thread or at least in this forum.
For good reasons I am not interested persistent ala Ubuntu, except ctbankix.
I need only small simple created module(s) or some kind of small file(s).

Sorry about my limited English. Try it out and you know it is not easy.

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#218 Post by nooby »

Thanks that link goes to a thread
boot 145 operating systems in a PC
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22957

So typical that not a single person responded?
Where I active at that time. I feel now that I would
have loved it. But you give very little info and example
in that thread. We seems to be close in some ways
and very afar in other ways.
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#219 Post by nooby »

[quote]Step 1 – A simple hardware scheme

An operating system needs to reside in a home. That is a partition to me. I used 2x300Gb Pata disk and 2x200 Sata Disk to set up 152 partitions. I always put one operating system in one partition. As an extended partition of each hard disk has no storage of its own, one data-only partition is needed for my personal data, another data-only partition to house the common boot loader and one Swap partition is needed for all the Linux I ended up losing 7 partitions leaving 145 partitions to house the 145 operating systems.

Step 2 – A simple boot scheme

I put Grub in a data-only partition, created a boot menu to boot all the partitions before any of the operating systems was installed. When a partition is filled the system inside becomes bootable instantly. This scheme is dead simple, technically sound, perfectly applicable is every situation but can be viewed unconventional to some PC users. For those who know nothing about Grub it is just one of the two boot loaders commonly used in Linux. The other one is called Lilo possibly used by less than 40% of the Linux distros at the begining of 2007.

In a nutshell I use this Grub to boot up the boot loader of any of the 145 systems that I choose to use. Afterward it is the duty of the second boot loader that brings up its master.

Step 3 – A simple installation scheme

It is really simple. I just installed each system inside a single partition. For MS systems there is more work as I had to install each as a stand alone system so that it always boot to a “C
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#220 Post by nooby »

Do remember that my following comment is no criticism.
I just tell how booting may look from a very common set up
of a newly bought computer and from a totally different approach.
A different set up and way of relating to computers.
Step 1 – A simple hardware scheme
An operating system needs to reside in a home.
Seen from another perspective that is a given.
Seen from my perspective one buy the cheapest computer
because that is the one one can afford to use.

That one already have Ms WinXP or Win7 on it.
So Linux users ask me why don't you wipe that
OS from the hdd and do a Linux partition instead.

Because one need that OS to do changes and updates
to the many smartphones one have. A must to keep them.

Sure you can buy a used computer to have Linux on
and them maybe even cheaper than the new one
but then one have to know much about computers and
linux to do such a elaborate set up. Is it not for the newbie?

So now I talk about somebody buying over the shelf at the Mall!

So which hardware was cheapest where I live? Netbook for 1995SEK
That is about 300USD so I got me a Acer D250 with Atom N270 and
1GB memory and the HD will be from say 160GB to 250 GB
depending on if it is WinXP or a Win7 version.

Okay then we have the warranty. two years where you are not allowed
to do any kind of changing of the partitions. So it is a very different
situation than the one you descibe in the link and post that I quoted.

So I need to find ways to Dualboot that retain the original untouched.
so that means I keep the original and don't do any kind of partioning.
Step 2 – A simple boot scheme
That needs to be done in a way that can restore the original boot.
I first used Ubuntu with wubi because them promised that it could be
uninstalled from within Win7 without changing the boot in any way.

Using that wubi menu.lst I could add Puppy to it.

Later I added grub4dos but maybe that one did destroy the MBR
of the original. I will only know that if I try a recovery.
The Acer D250 has three partitions from factory.
1. is the one Acer own. 2. is the Win recovery 3. is the real partition
for the user and there everything is. Win7 and puppy and ubuntu
and so on.

Step 3 – A simple installation scheme
It is really simple. I just installed each system inside a single partition.
Yes that is how I do it too kind of. I only use the NTFS third partition that
is set up to be for the user of the computer.

So how can one explain that your code works on your computer and mine works on mine but yours totally fail on mine.

My explanation is that we have different set up.

Your set up is very unique. At least to me as a noob reading about it.

My set up is the original for that Netbook and 100 000 or more have same computer the world over. So my suggested code can help all
those who don't want to do resize and partitioning. Them just want to
test a distro and don't have CD or USB at the moment so my way of doing it will allow that while your way is rather unique as I get it.
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