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8-bit


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Oct 2011, 05:29    Post subject:  

Fragmentation of a hard drive will not stop it from booting.
Defragging a drive tries to put files back together in one piece on the drive So the read head does not have to move all over accessing pieces of a fragmented file. It also speeds read access up as a result.

I hope that was understandable to you.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Oct 2011, 17:07    Post subject:  

8-bit, I don't say you are always wrong on that one Smile
I would say that I 've been told that for an iso to boot from
Flash USB memory the boot loader need it to be in one piece there.

So who knows maybe that is required from a NTFS internal drive too?

I have no idea how to find out other than to try.

Now I have a poor memory. I booted many and failed to boot many.

As I remember.

Ubuntu the latest 11.10 booted using the code that d4p
inspired me to test. And varieties of Ubuntu

d4p added a lot to the code like map and hook that worked for him
but never worked on my computer so I edited those part that failed
out for my computer. Then it worked. To my great surprise too.

I mean this is what I have wanted to work since 2008 and have
asked and asked on Ubuntu forum and Linux Questions and Linux
Mint forum and so on. Almost none cared. Them love to do partitions!

So very many Ubuntu derivatives do boots using the following code.

Here is the important part
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso and this part may be very important too.
iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso

None has explained to me what this part do? --
are them needed? What role do them fill?

a few examples that boot on my computer. A Netbook with Atom CPU

Quote:
title LMDE-11 Gnome Linux Mint Debian Edition 2011 persistent fails on frugal ntfs or I have no idea how to activate it.
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso
kernel /LMDE-11/casper/vmlinuz rw persistent file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /LMDE-11/casper/initrd.lz



title ubuntu 11.10 desktop version
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso
kernel /ubuntu/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso kmap=se LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 keymap=sv-latin1 noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /ubuntu/casper/initrd.lz

title Bodhi Linux boots from bodhi_1.2.1.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd
kernel /bodhi/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso quiet splash --
initrd /bodhi/casper/initrd.gz

title Peppermint Linux boots from Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso noeject noprompt splash --
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso
kernel /Peppermint/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso noeject noprompt splash --
initrd /Peppermint/casper/initrd.lz

Now the following is more Debian than Ubuntu. And it did boot
but it has problem with permissions due to it being Debian?
Which the others based on Ubuntu above don't have.

title crunchbang-10-20110105-xfce-i686.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /crunchbang-10-20110105-xfce-i686.iso
kernel /live/vmlinuz1 boot=live rw live-config live-config.hostname=crunchbang live-config.username=crunchbang noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /live/initrd1.img

Ultimate Edition based on Ubuntu does boot but had some problem
that made me discard it. But if you like it do try this code. Not sure why
I did not like it.

title ultimate iso boot frugal ntfs
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ultimate-edition-3.0-lite.iso
kernel /ultimate/casper/vmlinuz persistent file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/ultimate-edition-3.0-lite.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /ultimate/casper/initrd.lz

The following failed and I have no idea why. Them say or give error message that them fail to find the needed media. So maybe I did something wrong.

Asturix linux 3 lite, AriOS, Pinguy_OS, PureOS and Zorin,

Them can boot on other computers maybe. Or one have have to change something in the set up.

It is like a lottery.

title LMDE-11Gnome worked and is the best one
while title LMDE-11 xfce failed. Could be bad iso or something?
Or are them set upo differently when them made the iso?

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Oct 2011, 18:04    Post subject:  

just to bring this up to topic Very Happy
i am using archbang for about 5 month now. update once maybe twice a week. still working good and looking good... (the few issues i have were sortet out quick by looking on this great archwiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Oct 2011, 07:40    Post subject:  

Archbang?

I have tried to get that one to boot for some 10 months or so.

I trust you boot it from USB or from it's own partition formatted to
ext2 or 3 or at least Fat32? I don't trust it boot from NTFS partition.

If it does please give code how one boot it Smile

Archiso by Godane boot but one have to activate the ntfs-3g to allow to save to same partition I guess. Maybe I should test that one again?
http://godane.wordpress.com/ He is into Slitaz making it modular now. Maybe he go back to Arch sooner or later. I have no idea.

title Archiso-live
root (hd0,0)
kernel /archiso/boot/vmlinuz from=/dev/sda3/archiso rw elevator=deadline load=overlay session=xfce
initrd /archiso/boot/initrd.img

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Oct 2011, 08:17    Post subject:  

Yes, i have archbang installed as my main OS on sda1 (ext4). What i really like is that AB is still using grub1 for its bootloader. That makes it so easy to reach all my puppys on sda3 (sda2 is my swap).
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Oct 2011, 08:30    Post subject:  

How is Archbang different from Archiso then?
Do you know if Godane made many changes?
I mean why would Archiso boot and not ArchBang?
What is different? Okay thanks. You have at least
a working system Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Oct 2011, 08:57    Post subject:  

Well, Archbang comes preconfigured with openbox as its windowmanager, tint2 as a panel and conky for systeminfo on the screen. Also with a few preinstalled apps for browsing, multimedia and so on...
The archiso gives you a basic arch system with no graphical environment and on top of that you can install whatever you want, just like a debian netinstall. This of course means a lot more work to do Wink
Don't know about Godane, sorry.
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 00:36    Post subject:  

looked at Archbang last week saw it on distrowatch. maybe it had a recent upgrade.

decided on Linux Mint Debain Ed, lmde with gnome3. a bleeding edge rolling release with frequent testing repos for updates.
has boot menu dual option of 3.0x kernel or 2.6.37.x. 1.1g download but this thing is fast.

lmde uses Grub2 bootloader iirc. after full hdd install I started puppy for my usual Grub4dos loader which picked up lmde
and the list of frugal puppy installs on the hdd.

On booting got kernel panic. good thing about Grub4dos has a "find Grub" option in the bottom of it's list
and did correctly start lmde boot menu.

long way around to boot maybe easier way to get a list of frugal and full hdd installs?
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 01:14    Post subject:  

Jim wrote:
long way around to boot maybe easier way to get a list of frugal and full hdd installs?

Now my poor English get confused. Are you disappointed about LMDE
or happy about it booting on grub4dos? Smile

I use this code for grub4dos. I am on third partion original NTFS HDD.

title LMDE-11 Gnome Linux Mint Debian Edition 2011 iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso
kernel /LMDE-11/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /LMDE-11/casper/initrd.lz

Being on ntfs it does not allow it to get persistent using an casper-rw file. Them work on Fat32 and on ext3 but not on ntfs AFAIK.

But apart from that the LMDE works very good. Slow due to too big to do toram having only 1GB.

So most likely a smaller version like Bodhi Linux or Peppermint would
allow me to run from RAM but then I have to install programs and do
remix and such. So much to learn and all of that I already have in Puppy
so seems over kill to me.

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 01:37    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Jim wrote:
long way around to boot maybe easier way to get a list of frugal and full hdd installs?

Now my poor English get confused. Are you disappointed about LMDE
or happy about it booting on grub4dos? Smile

I use this code for grub4dos. I am on third partion original NTFS HDD.

title LMDE-11 Gnome Linux Mint Debian Edition 2011 iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso
kernel /LMDE-11/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /LMDE-11/casper/initrd.lz

Being on ntfs it does not allow it to get persistent using an casper-rw file. Them work on Fat32 and on ext3 but not on ntfs AFAIK.

But apart from that the LMDE works very good. Slow due to too big to do toram having only 1GB.

So most likely a smaller version like Bodhi Linux or Peppermint would
allow me to run from RAM but then I have to install programs and do
remix and such. So much to learn and all of that I already have in Puppy
so seems over kill to me.


nooby thanks for the boot code will copy and try with my specs.
my hdd has many partitions and now all are ext4.

very happy with LMDE I have 4g ram and 6g swap. someone said
swap should be 2x physical ram but I've never used swap in puppy.
LMDE now may well use it will have to start looking.

use LMDE for high graphics games and seems to run very fast without slowdowns, stopages and such.

nooby LMDE with xfce is smaller ~700-800mb iirc.
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 03:22    Post subject:  

Yes lxde is smaller. I have tried twice to get it going but failed both times.
But you using ext4 most likely get it going.

I don't trust you should use the code I have on an ext4 though if you make
full install. LMDE knows best how to make full installs with swap files.

My suggestion was for to get a quick and dirty boot on ntfs without having to make partitions and full installs or mess with usb memory.

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 03:38    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:

My suggestion was for to get a quick and dirty boot on ntfs without having to make partitions and full installs or mess with usb memory.


nooby, ok understand now. thanks
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 06:04    Post subject:  

jim3630 wrote:
looked at Archbang last week saw it on distrowatch. maybe it had a recent upgrade.

decided on Linux Mint Debain Ed, lmde with gnome3. a bleeding edge rolling release with frequent testing repos for updates.
has boot menu dual option of 3.0x kernel or 2.6.37.x. 1.1g download but this thing is fast.

lmde uses Grub2 bootloader iirc. after full hdd install I started puppy for my usual Grub4dos loader which picked up lmde
and the list of frugal puppy installs on the hdd.

On booting got kernel panic. good thing about Grub4dos has a "find Grub" option in the bottom of it's list
and did correctly start lmde boot menu.

long way around to boot maybe easier way to get a list of frugal and full hdd installs?


Archbang is a good live distro IMO and an easy entry route into Arch, but its themes are too dark for my taste. It now has Firefox as its default browser instead of Chromium which the last one had.

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 10:13    Post subject:  

CP your signature says Swift Linux 0.1.2 instead of AntiX 11 or something?

How do them compare? What is it in Swift that makes you prefer Swift?
As far as I know it is exactly the same only different theme?

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 14:54    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:

Archbang is a good live distro IMO and an easy entry route into Arch, but its themes are too dark for my taste. It now has Firefox as its default browser instead of Chromium which the last one had.


CP haven't installed Archbang. like most here have another older box but gave up trying to find something other than puppy for it. read the reviews at times but in print nothing seems to make a compelling argument.
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