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Lobster
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 06:30    Post subject:  Puppy on ARM
Subject description: New Processor, New Puppy
 



Guys sufficient developers have committed
to buying a Raspberry PI ARM motherboard

You can too - soon . . . Cool

Puppy on ARM = PARM
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

**The (very rough) Plan**

Task 1
Get Debian working on pi board

Task 2
reconfigure working environment
boot to root
terminal
Rox
JWM
+ Geany + c compiler
ash/bash script language
+ Xchat or link to meebo and Puppy IRC
gmail and twitter links

Task 3
first line icons
file goes to rox
help goes to this wiki page
install not needed
edit goes to Geany
console goes to terminal
second line icons
mtpaint or cut down version in igus version
calc
draw = inkscape or Xara
browser
gmail and twitter links

Task 4
turn into ISO and provide pre-alpha

task 5
start adding puppy scripts and programs, linking from menu
eg. Puppy Phone

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 07:59    Post subject:  

First we need to be able to boot.

As I remember but could have misunderstood?

The company Broadcom that owns the "binary" of the boot
them prepare these boot binaries for each OS that are allowed
by them to use it. Without such a binary there is no way to boot it!

Up to now them have allowed Debain and Ubuntu but them jumped ship?
Them have allowed Arch but none else to boot.

The boot code is proprietary Only Broadcom knows how to set it up.

None of the current Devs knows how to set up other linux.

I could be wrong but for as long as the Admin of the RPi has not asked
Broadcom to include Puppy then there is no way to boot Puppy on it.

So the interesting thing is will the Broadcom management accept that
Puppy wants to run as root. I trust that Broadcom will insist that Puppy
make a multi user environment for Raspberry Pi!

Them own the proprietary binary code and them set the policy
for it's usage and them care about the company image of Broadcom.

To allow any Linux to run as root can be a red herring to them.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 09:55    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
First we need to be able to boot.

2) Really hard to brick these devices. And, in the case of an R-Pi, you yank the SD, re-image, re-insert the SD, and BOOT.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=572461#572461

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 12:45    Post subject:  

yank here most likely means delete or erase?
Re-image with what? where do you get the code to re-image it with?

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:03    Post subject:  

Lobster, when I posted my opinion on ARM based Puppy, people tried real hard to convince me that it is NOT possible because ARM structure is so much different from x86.

I was so discouraged. (even though I have seen similar posts in this forum..)

Do you really think it is possible? People brainwashed me and I did become skeptical.

I don't think logo is the first thing.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:11    Post subject:  

Pi isn't complete. need casing, power supply etc. Please check the Indian $35(or $60 for non student).

Why not convert old notebooks into PAD using motion sensor.
No touch screen but motion sensor.

It might make more economical sense since you are using laptops being discarded.

It is now possible on phone(started from a Korean half old lady's idea)

I am saying this as ARM based could be difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:12    Post subject:  

Pi isn't complete. need casing, power supply etc. Please check the Indian $35(or $60 for non student).

Why not convert old notebooks into PAD using motion sensor.
No touch screen but motion sensor.

It might make more economical sense since you are using laptops being discarded.

It is now possible on phone(started from a Korean half old lady's idea)

I am saying this as ARM based could be difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:16    Post subject:  

Pi isn't complete. need casing, power supply etc. Please check the Indian $35(or $60 for non student).

Why not convert old notebooks into PAD using motion sensor.
No touch screen but motion sensor.

It might make more economical sense since you are using laptops being discarded.

It is now possible on phone(started from a Korean half old lady's idea)

I am saying this as ARM based could be difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 14:17    Post subject:  

Oh my,

triple posted.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 16:00    Post subject:  

puppyiso wrote:

Do you really think it is possible?


We are a penguin.
Linux runs on Pi
We are a Linux.
Puppy can run on Pi.

I am not getting a Pi to run Debian or Fedora.
It was always possible. It was a question of the right device.

This is now it.
Developers are interested. Testers are poised. Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 18:06    Post subject:  

As I get it Puppy will only exists on Raspberry Pi
if the Admins of that Univrsity tell the Broadcom
to allow for it on the Binary that is needed for the boot.

That means somebody has to sit down and make a new binary
just for Puppy to be able boot on the Pi.

Okay them maybe do it for John Murga and Barry Kauler.
But it also depends on if Broadcom accept that Puppy run as root!

Do we know if Broadcom want to spend money on Puppy?
What is in it for them?

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 22:33    Post subject:  

The boot up stage is like so at the moment
http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardBeginners
A ready made ISO will be considerably simpler.

Pi intend to supply ready made ISO for the inbuilt SD.
So early adopters will be booting to Fedora (we would be able to use code from Drake Pup) or Debian (Dpup). Ubuntu and Slackware ISO are not available at present. We are using the Pi board as a common starting ground for Puppy on Arm Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2011, 03:25    Post subject:  

A .img has already been produced for the Elonex/Trendtek/etc and runs well. Since when did Scandanavians cow-tow to greedy Yankie cartels?! Puppy is an Oz creation and the Raspberry claims to be 'all Indian'. Presumably the chips are made in Phillipines/Singapore/anywhere-not-USA and the balance of components are mainly Chinese/Indian. Folks worrying about Yankie retaliation should cut off their vital supplies...
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2011, 03:26    Post subject:  

Quote:
cut off their vital supplies

or even: cut off their vital s
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:03    Post subject:  

Its definitely possible to run linux on pi.

The challenge is to get a GUI that is a similar to the 'puppy experience'.

that is, easy to use, basic packages ready to go (browser, writer, editor, etc.) and speedy (as in usable).

Eben said computing power is about an eighth of £200 x86 box.

I believe it can be done. arm version of linux exist, its a question of optimising to the fullest.

I wonder how the GPU and CPU can be used effectively together. may need to optimise some ARM code.

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