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#21 Post by Lobster »

But to me kinda seems like a smartphone without a screen, keyboard, sound, etc...
Cute yes, but useful??
Very useful.
Getting a group of Puppy's to develop for one phone or tablet may
not be feasible any time soon.

We have to start somewhere . . . 8)
However, Puppy ported to an ARM based phone/tablet...
Is this the path??
It is.
Barry originally designed Puppy to run from SD.
Puppy will become mobile and small again
It will be fun. :)
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#22 Post by puppyluvr »

:D Hello,
@Ed, have you seen this?
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02513
Maybe mobile devices will come to us???
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#23 Post by Lobster »

Thanks Jay - yes read that :)
The first run of 10 000 raspberry pi's will go very fast. There is a lot of interest. It is cheap. It works. It runs Linux. It is fun. Raffy is sending Barry one. We have Pi :)
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#24 Post by nooby »

Hey that is cool
The first run of 10 000 raspberry pi's will go very fast.
So them are sure of that these will get sold? I am a pessimist.
If them sell fifty or so within a year? I would have felt over whelmed something :)

10 000 is very cool and if all those people can get them running too
and some of them join that forum that would be nice to have a place
to get help.

I am not sure what to do. I love silent computing and
this one promise to have no fan what so ever on it?
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#25 Post by Lobster »

I am a pessimist
tsk tsk
I am a hypocritical pessimist.
I say the opposite of my doubts . . . :wink:

The interest in this is very high.
Some geeks have even put down their pizza
and taken an extra swig of jolt . . .

I have an evil plan . . . :twisted:
Puppy + hardware. :)
In the future we do not support everything
(been there got the t-shirt) - still available for the forseable future
We start to say:
'We are Puppy users and we will buy and use this hardware.'

Now we have Puppy Power . . .
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#26 Post by nooby »

Haha I feel for teasing you Lobster.

Saying is very cheap. To actually do something cost effort and talent. :)

I am a True Pessimist (TM) Hahah, I have made the Ultimate Pessimist Linux.
"This Pessimist Linux OS will never boot in Full install.
You have to do a frugal install on NTFS and use Grub4dos
and please don't read the Pessimist Manual, it will only discourage you . :) "
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#27 Post by veronicathecow »

Yup, I am interested in running one of those with Puppy. If fact I suggested to the developers they look at Puppy before I came across this thread.
Many thanks.

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#28 Post by Lobster »

Barry has mentioned the thread so we may get further interest :)
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02541

The Aakash tablet will inspire a Chinese built large phone (basically all a tablet is) at a commodity price. By then the Aakash may be more than the yearly Indian vapourware announcements. The Indian government (like most of our 'leaders'*) could not order a chicken masala in a curry house. This Aakash (Aakash cow perhaps?) could be a while yet. Time during which we can play with a cheap arm motherboard . . .

*My 'government' for want of a better word, spent £12 billion on . . . vapourware . . . :shock:
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The patients are having to sort it
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mark ... cheme.html
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#29 Post by technosaurus »

If anyone has the hardware (or at least something similar... including qemu) you may want to check out:

landley.net/aboriginal
Rob builds a full cross-compile linuxfromscratch environment that works in qemu
(I use the 586 build to make static uclibc multicall binaries)

The pupngo thread has most of my & goingnuts work on building a minimal bootstrap desktop environment (jwm, rxvt, ...) we don't run heavyweight daemons by default either.

Iirc, xvesa is fairly x86 specific, so you may need to check out jemimah's work with xvfb (puppy kernels have fbcon as a module, which requires some additional work)

Since there aren't really going to be any proprietary apps available, a build based on uclibc or musl libc makes sense IMHO alpine linux or openwrt are a good place for learning uclibc b/c that's all they do... but that brings us to needing replacements for flash (lightspark, gnash, swfdec...) and others(Skype, ...)
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#30 Post by JohnMurga »

technosaurus wrote:If anyone has the hardware (or at least something similar... including qemu) you may want to check out:

landley.net/aboriginal
Seriously cool, thanks for the link !

Ironically I already ported murgaLua to ARM a while ago (to the FreeRunner), so chances are that'll be getting one of these devices to play with too (once they are available).

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#31 Post by nooby »

Cool hope you get time to do some dev for puppy and ARM.
That LUA you have done what is that? I know too little to even guess
what it is. Linux User Application? What can it stand for?
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#32 Post by Svartalf »

technosaurus wrote:Since there aren't really going to be any proprietary apps available, a build based on uclibc or musl libc makes sense IMHO alpine linux or openwrt are a good place for learning uclibc b/c that's all they do... but that brings us to needing replacements for flash (lightspark, gnash, swfdec...) and others(Skype, ...)
Wanna bet that there'll not be any proprietary apps? I port games to Linux after hours in addition to my puttering around with making Linux distributions. :D

As for being uclibc...bad idea, really. It works decently enough for embedded solutions, but it's missing all sorts of things to get it to being that way. You'll find that it works nicely enough on a router, firewall, or similar (which is what Rob's aiming for with Aboriginal...), but past that, you're better off with glibc or eglibc. (Not to mention that I've already gotten an OE userland I'm in the process of proving out that's optimized for ARMv6 for the R-Pi... ;) )

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nooby wrote:Cool hope you get time to do some dev for puppy and ARM.
That LUA you have done what is that? I know too little to even guess
what it is. Linux User Application? What can it stand for?
murgaLua's a platform that combines the simplicity of the Lua programming language with a lightweight GUI toolkit, FLTK, and a DB engine, sqLite, to make a usable tool that's cross-platform as all get-out.

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#34 Post by Lobster »

Guys :)

John Murga aka Judge Dredd, who finances this forum is a developer and Murga Lua was in Puppy for a while - and in the past John has created the very fast 'Mean Puppy'.
He is ordering 4 units :D
I for himself and 3 for Puppy developers.

His generosity has prompted me to start Parm. I will announce a wiki page soon. 8)

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#35 Post by Lobster »

Guys have created a formal announcement
and written to Raspberry Pi of our intent

We have been talking of a Puppy Phone and lately
ARM tablets for long enough.

Puppy + ARM hardware = PARM
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

We will be smaller
more efficient and have a better logo
(coming soon once our crayons are sharpened) :)

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#36 Post by nooby »

As I said if John need money I can send to cover for the first invest in these. I trust he took the ones with bigger RAM? 35 USD
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#37 Post by JohnMurga »

nooby wrote:As I said if John need money I can send to cover for the first invest in these. I trust he took the ones with bigger RAM? 35 USD
Yes.

The funds come out of what the ad in the top right corner makes.

Most of it pays for hosting, but that's paid off for a while, and this seems like a worthy cause that could make a worthwhile computing platform available to people who might otherwise not be able to benefit from it.

Many families save up for a long time so that they can get a TV, this is something that could transform that TV into something which is a lot more useful.

Kinda ironic for people like me, who plugged their first computer into a TV.

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#38 Post by qkall »

Lobster wrote:
We will be smaller
more efficient and have a better logo
(coming soon once our crayons are sharpened) :)

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i suggest a puppy with a raspberry pi logo as the nose!

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#39 Post by nooby »

Thanks John, Yes that was what many of us did at that time.
We had not monitor to use for that purpose at that time.
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#40 Post by sickgut »

what i see as the biggest step forward the raspberry Pi lets me take is a very cheap server room with no need for cooling or one big server and multiple virtual machines.

100 of these for $2500, the cost of one server. I have sadly done nothing with clustered systems but this is a good place to start. Eagerly i sit waiting the release of this raspberry thing and my approach to getting a puppy like system for it will be to do what i have done with pussy, make a puppy - debian, as i do not have the time to create a new puppy from scratch.

it would be great to see puppy for the raspberry, but in the past.. when i have made a tiny OS for ARM devices it hasnt worked well because the performance isnt what we are used to with intel compatible hardware. But for server stuff or running your apps like mplayer etc at the command console is quite OK, linux is so powerfull there will be many ways to run the apps we need to run, at the speed that will be usable but we may have to think differently in regards to the usual xorg roxfiler openbox desktop with a full blown browser as its quite easy to reduce ARM devices to a crawl.

for what it is the raspberry is great value and i think i will have atleast a couple of these running linux but at the console rather than using a desktop OS or as a file/ webserver or a game server, and with the correct software it would make a very awesome router that can run other server stuff too... imagine a router that is a file server web server ftp server, media server, torrent box.... it will be a new step up.

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