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Couldn't find swap memory for puppy
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snayak

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 03:46    Post subject:  Couldn't find swap memory for puppy  

Hi,

I see no swap memory for puppy even after full installation.
Is this a feature to keep puppy slim?
Then, apps that take more space, may not be able to run without swap..
Or I am in a myth?

Sincerely,
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 05:00    Post subject:  

snayak wrote:
I am using a pentium iii machine.
single hdd of 40 gb
single cdrw
ps/2 mouse
ps/2 keyboard
no extra graphics card
realtech sound h/w
that's it.


Good you told us but how much DRAM? also named RAM but them are DRAM
64MB or 128MB or 256MB or 512MB or 1GB or ...

Such is important when one think of Swap.

You having full install has to find somebody else good at such.

AFAIK the recommended thing is to make a CD with Puppy
or a Multisession DVD or a USB install so one get to learn
all the ins and outs of the OS without being locked to having a full install.

I don't remember the poll but I trust that some 75% only do frugal install of Puppy. That way them can do upgrade by just doing a new frugal install next to the older ones and still have access to that one.

Will be done manually in under 5 minutes. sometimes in 3 ot 2 minutes
and is so easy that even I manage to do it. I would never try to make a full install.

All these can have swap file which works as swap "memory".
If you use the link in my signature you sure should find many many threads about it. Good luck

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 05:19    Post subject:  

Yes, I have
384 MB SDRAM (one 128MB and one 256MB)

And the reason why I use full installation is, I bored infecting my PC with viruses after using windows for 12 yrs. Planning to make my system totally linux. So I prefer full installation. For experimenting with OS, frugals are ok, but when I see puppy is a nice one, I thought of using it in place of windows. Can it be that reliable?

More to that, just for a cp command, I saw my memory status as:

Mem [********||@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 78/378MB]
where,
****** = used
|| = buffers
@@@@@@@@@@@@ = cache

that reminded me, hey, where is my swap rescue?


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 06:01    Post subject:  

You have to get the motivation of one of the full install puppy users to see this thread.

I hope the Mods accept that I tell you to change title from
swap memory

to
Full install teach me to do swap please

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 07:09    Post subject: Re: swap memory
Subject description: why there is no swap memory for puppy
 

snayak wrote:
Hi,

I see no swap memory for puppy even after full installation.
Is this a feature to keep puppy slim?
Then, apps that take more space, may not be able to run without swap..
Or I am in a myth?

Sincerely,
Srinivas


Images 6 > 16 at this site will show how to make swap and
other partitions:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=201565&search_id=1358540782#201565

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 08:19    Post subject:  

Quote:
And the reason why I use full installation is, I bored infecting my PC with viruses after using windows for 12 yrs. Planning to make my system totally linux. So I prefer full installation.


Some explanation:
Even if you want to use puppy as your only operating system, you can still use a frugal install (not full).

My sense is that only a minority of people who use puppy use "full installs," and they tend to be users who know what they're doing and have very specific reasons for using it (beyond the reasons you stated above)

Most use frugal installs. They're easy to set up, easier to back up, run about the same speed on most computers.

The name "full install" tends to imply that it is superior, which is not necessarily the case, the way that puppy is designed.

As for reliability, I use puppy for writing, web browsing, watching videos, email, etc. Although I have a dual boot machine, I can't remember the last time I loaded windows. (I also have an old laptop that only runs several frugal installs)
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 08:22    Post subject:  

it is easy to create a swap file or swap partition, and necessary on older computers. This thread discusses some methods

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy//viewtopic.php?t=71049
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 08:53    Post subject:  

A frugal install has several advantages over a full inistall, and no disadvantages I'm aware of except for computers with limited (less than 256 MB) RAM.

If your computer has at least 256 MB of RAM, Puppy won't need swap memory unless you're working with very large files or some such. If you're trying to edit videos in a Pentium 3 machine with little RAM, you might want to think about upgrading your hardware. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 11:17    Post subject:  

As for reliability. Depends on how you behave and what you mean with that word.

I have used Puppy daily the last year and a bit of 2011 also and have no problem starting in the morning and ending late at night day out and day in.

so 100% reliable. That is some ten or more frugally installed Puppies.
But it depends on what you put into the word reliability.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 11:20    Post subject:  

Flash do you remember. Did we not have a poll maybe spring or in 2010 and we told which had full install and which had frugal on hdd and which had CD or DVD or USB and very few had full install. Could we find that poll again maybe to show him.

I doubt there are more that at most 25% that have full install? maybe as low as 10% and I doubt them look actively for to help others with full install?

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 11:44    Post subject:  

Hi

nooby wrote:
Flash do you remember. Did we not have a poll maybe spring or in 2010 and we told which had full install and which had frugal on hdd and which had CD or DVD or USB and very few had full install. Could we find that poll again maybe to show him.


Here you go dude: [POLL] Which method do you use to boot and run Puppy?

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 11:52    Post subject:  

Thanks CatDude.
Full installation on HD 19% [ 9 persons voted]
Full installation on USB Flash 2% [ 1 persons voted ]
Frugal installation on HD 45% [ 21 persons voted ]

So snayak think about it. That was a long time ago. Mon Jan 31, 2011
I mean statistically you need to have so much luck that the few full install persons are the ones that cares about newbies asking questions.

Okay maybe there are such person. See yourself as lucky if them find this thread. Then see a thread saying

swap memory

Why would them even read it? No ? even to show it is a question.
I doubt them even would click on it.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 16:38    Post subject:  

If it's true that full installs represent a minority of Puppians, then the fact that most of the problems people come to this forum with seem to be related to full installs suggests that a full install is not the way to go. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 17:32    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
If it's true that full installs represent a minority of Puppians, then the fact that most of the problems people come to this forum with seem to be related to full installs suggests that a full install is not the way to go. Smile

I strongly disagree with this statement.
Full installs of Puppy have no more problems then other options for installing. The big advantage of a full install is not having to worry about free space in the save file. Your only limit is size of hard drive partition Puppy is installed to.
A full install is a little harder, because it has to go on a partition formatted with a Linux format. A little harder to do if you have Windows installed and want to have Puppy installed along side.

About swap.
Puppy uses swap to assist memory.
On a low memory system (256MB or less) when memory fills up, it uses swap to act like a dedicated storage area for the overflow. This keeps the system from locking up, refusing to run programs, etc...

swap file
For frugal install of Puppy, it is probably the best, because it can be used on a none Linux formatted partition. You can put it anyplace.
However, very important that you defragment hard drive before making a swap file on a (Windows) Fat or NTFS formatted partition.
You could end up with a fragmented swap file which would not work very well.

swap partition
Harder to do, because you have to partition an area of the hard drive to be a swap partition. It is a special type of Linux partition, that has to be made on the hard drive by a partitioning program like Gparted.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2011, 17:48    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
If it's true that full installs represent a minority of Puppians, then the fact that most of the problems people come to this forum with seem to be related to full installs suggests that a full install is not the way to go. Smile


How can you be so incredibly out of touch with reality?
By far the most problems by new users have to do with
setting up and using save files in frugal installs.

That problem doesn't exist with normal (full) installs.

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