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steve_s

Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1543 Location: Austin, TX, USA
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:20 Post subject:
Does anyone have MS-SYS as a pet file? (Solved) |
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Does anyone have this as a pet file for download? I couldn't find it on any of the puppy searches, so thought I'd ask...
| Quote: | The program is useful when using Linux to restore a backup of a reference
Microsoft Windows installation. |
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Evil20071

Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Piedmont, SC,.United States
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:31 Post subject:
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No... but I can try making it for you... give me a bit...
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7756 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan 2009, 17:03 Post subject:
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Go here and get the "fixmbr" download.
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steve_s

Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1543 Location: Austin, TX, USA
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan 2009, 17:47 Post subject:
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Man I love this forum! Once again, I asked 'cause I knew a simple logical solution would most likely be available.
Evil20071: appreciated! But it looks like the other will be just fine; just was looking for something puppy related that was simple and would fix the mbr.
rcrsn51: thanks! That's exactly what I'll do; looks like just the thing for a quick, simple, easy linux fix of a Windows issue.
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 03:26 Post subject:
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A fixed MBR is what?
I suppose it means patch up the MBR to make it Microsoft compatible.
Then call it 'fixmbr' or something like that.
There is a fix for a Linux user if there ever was one.
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Sylvander
Joined: 15 Dec 2008 Posts: 2855 Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK
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Posted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 17:24 Post subject:
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1. "A fixed MBR is what?"
I'm no expert, but...
A fixed MBR is one that is capable of doing the job of playing its part in the loading the Windows operating system.
BEWARE!
(a) The fixmbr command run in the Windows Recovery Console is [so I hear] NOT the same as the fdisk /mbr command.
(b) See this webpage by Paul Komski, particularly where it says:
"One of the reasons for using fixmbr from the RecoveryConsole instead of the MSDOS fdisk /mbr equivalent is that the former doesn't and the latter does create a new disk signature. Use fdisk /mbr with caution on these systems since it can cause the system to fail to boot if the remapped drive letters cant find what it requires to start up. It can also be used to force the OS to reassign all the drive letters to their default assignments (as can deleting the whole MountedDevices key). These measures can correct but can also create certain problems and should only be done if you really understand what is going on and the possible consequences including the need to re-assign drive letters appropriately. A back-up of the MBR can be invaluable if the system fails to reboot after fdisk /mbr.
2. The NT-based OSes (Microsoft's New Technology Operating Systems) started with Windows NT and also include Windows 2000 (which despite its name is not Milennium), XP, 2003 Server, PE and Vista. These systems can use both FAT and NTFS formatted partitions and, even if installed on FAT, can properly "see" other NTFS partitions. Once Drive Letters have been assigned to partitions they remain (with some exceptions when there are later conflicts) assigned as long as the partition's size and its partition table reference and its hard drive signature remain unchanged. Under Windows Vista changing the disk signature (say by running fdisk /mbr) can not only cause the Drive Letters to be re-assigned but also to prevent booting along with a winloader.exe warning message."
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mikeb

Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4378
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Posted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 20:20 Post subject:
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I use install-mbr
http://www.wlug.org.nz/install-mbr(8)
seems to work well
mike
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B-Diddy
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 07:14 Post subject:
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lol the average windows user is going to use their own windows CD to fix the MBR, because they will not have copies of anything else lying around. Plus, they would have to go to the local public library to get Ubuntu, something which many people have never done in their lives.
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steve_s

Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1543 Location: Austin, TX, USA
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 08:57 Post subject:
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The average Windows user doesn't even know there is something else...
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7756 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 10:06 Post subject:
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Ms-sys is now a standard component of Puppy.
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steve_s

Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1543 Location: Austin, TX, USA
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 18:28 Post subject:
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| rcrsn51 wrote: | | Ms-sys is now a standard component of Puppy. |
Yeah! I was pleased to see this, used that about a week ago...sure makes life easier when you are trying to do something like this...
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8-bit

Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3016 Location: Oregon
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| B-Diddy wrote: | | lol the average windows user is going to use their own windows CD to fix the MBR, because they will not have copies of anything else lying around. Plus, they would have to go to the local public library to get Ubuntu, something which many people have never done in their lives. |
But some will not be able to do that as they bought their PC with the Operating system pre-installed and have a restore partition that is supposed to bring the PC back to factory software specifications.
And that restore will wipe all data you may have on the hard drive.
The PC makers go cheap and do not give PC buyers a restore CD or an install CD of the windows version that was installed.
A web search should bring up some "windows recovery console" ISOs that one can download though.
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 20:12 Post subject:
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| Sylvander wrote: |
[url=http://paulski.com
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You might find some of the best tech help is right here by unknown people.
Test it, go back and read the article, they are ultra common on the intenet. Experts telling us what won't work.
What works?
Something works. Try the guy out and ask him the obvious question, What works?
I can tell you and so can he. If he can't, then what does that tell you about using him as a source for anything at all.
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 20:24 Post subject:
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I've had MBRs get screwed up is by a Windows installation. Knowing in advance what it is going to do to the MBR, I prepare for it.
Also, sometimes I've let Linux installations screw up the MBR. Knowing in advance I'm going to allow it or it might happen, I prepare for that also.
Also, if I don't trust the success of a GRUB installation I'm about to make, I'll prepare for that.
I suspect most topics I read about fixing MBRs are from people who want to put Windows back and do away with Linux. What they want is to get rid of the GRUB or some other bootloader.
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tlchost
Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1487 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 20:30 Post subject:
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| 8-bit wrote: |
The PC makers go cheap and do not give PC buyers a restore CD or an install CD of the windows version that was installed.
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But virtually ALL of them instruct the user how to create their own restore CD/DVDs the first time they use the machine. And virtually ALL of them have support web sites. ANd virtually ALL of them document creating restore CD/DVDs.
Will the fixmbr restore the MBR so that the restore partition is intact and accessibe? If not, one needs to caution the user to create restore CD/DVDs before installing Linux, and perhaps caution them that using the fixmbr efforts may disable their ability to use the restore partition.
Thom
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